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hAs rIcHmAn RuN tHiS pRoGrAm InTo ThE gRoUnD??
In the Gonzaga thread Bisonator98 mentioned that we need to get Richman out of here before he runs this program into the ground like the NDSU women's program. That got me thinking, has it already happened? I am starting to think we are hitting the rocks this season and we might have hung on to him one year too long. I know his contract is up this year but I worry that it is too late.
I know if my six year old son didn't want season tickets we wouldn't have gotten them this year. I don't post much here anymore because, well I don't really care. This coming from someone who would say college basketball is pretty close to my favorite sport.
I would say we lost the casual fans before we ever got them and we are losing real basketball fans at this point.
Thoughts great NDSU Basketball minds? I will hang up and listen.
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2 assists. High attrition. 2 dribbles and launching a three. Poor player development. Both South Dakota schools and the school up north are vastly superior. He needs to go before the SHAC is empty. I dont believe in the program.
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McFeely stirring the pot
https://twitter.com/mikemcfeelywday/...58730138472448
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I would say he hasn't run the program into the ground. There are some seriously talented kids on the current roster. How he got some of them here is still beyond me. So where does the problem lie? I'd say development and the X's and O's. He clearly has a knack for recruiting when he wants to. But once they're here, they don't seem to get much better. I'd say he's setup whomever comes after him fairly well with talent. Just need someone here who can take the kids to the next level. A solid season and the fans will be back. Just hope Richman isn't.
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The lack of development of the players and lack of an offense is what stands out to me. AJ peaked as a freshman, Spencer really did not improve, Dylan never got any better just to point out of few. He talks about culture and family. Well that is on the football program that has that. Though I do see better team chemistry this year that in past years. Time for a change at HC. I agree we have some very good talent on this team and it will just take the right system to get them to excel.
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BisonNation11
I would say he hasn't run the program into the ground. There are some seriously talented kids on the current roster. How he got some of them here is still beyond me. So where does the problem lie? I'd say development and the X's and O's. He clearly has a knack for recruiting when he wants to. But once they're here, they don't seem to get much better. I'd say he's setup whomever comes after him fairly well with talent. Just need someone here who can take the kids to the next level. A solid season and the fans will be back. Just hope Richman isn't.
Agree with this. This years recruits look to be very talented but I don't have faith in Richman getting the most out of them. He is an awful in game coach that's been proven over the last 4 years. His staffs player development is seriously lacking. Like I said in the other thread if they don't make some noise come conference time he should be packing his bags.
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Players have a limited number of years to play. I don’t think they want to use up their time waiting for a coach to change.
It looks like he comes up with a game plan and cannot deviate from it. When someone gets hot, the plan doesn’t change. Happened a lot with Dex. Looked like it happened last night.
I do wonder about locker room culture. Things look better this year but will it last? Sitting up in the stands you can just feel that things aren’t right.
Revisiting BB basics couldnt hurt either.
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IMO, they should have went out of house for a coach when Saul left, Program was on a streak, Well recognized, new facility coming. Everything a good up and coming coach wanted.
We pulled a UND Football hire with DR.
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I used to drive 2 1/2 hours to watch games DURING THE WEEK---when I had season tickets----CANCELLED THEM
I hate everything about Richman's Program---X's and O's--especially after timeouts, lack of player development, poor game management, poor sub patterns, and REALLY tired of listening to him talk about building a culture---OF LOSSSINNNGGGG maybe and no expectations!!!
CAN'T WAIT TILL HE'S GONE
WHAT ARE % of him ACTUALLY STAYING????? Really it has to be less than 25% now RIGHT???
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Dylan Miller started for about 1.5 years here. Dexter came off the bench. Think about it.
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So let's look at Richman's strengths and weaknesses IMO
Strength----Recruiting has brought in some talented players---also brought some that are HOW would they play here too though
Weaknesses---Game Management(sub patterns, using timeouts well, drawing up OB plays) Player Development--many players as examples that haven't improved their weaknesses to strengths, Offensive System---not creative at all to get your BETTER players easier looks/shots, not friendly to create plays for each other but exchange spots and swing ball around the perimeter to milk shot clock and pray make a jumpshot---so minimize possessions which makes defense look better
Media Savvy- looks down a lot when talking---talks about culture all the time---looks angry while coaching (facial expressions) don't see coaching up players during game--
REALLYYYYY think he as an assistant coach material----NOT A HEAD COACH
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ndsubison1
Dylan Miller started for about 1.5 years here. Dexter came off the bench. Think about it.
OH I KNOW---PISSED ME OFF
Dylan Miller had so many limitations; Dex was 6th man of year JR year averaging 21mpg; thannnnnn SR year came off bench and averaged 24mpg
Richhhhyyyy should be thankful Dex's dad didn't whoop his ass
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I had season tickets and after watching the trend Richmond was leading us. I got rid of them. I will not pay to watch terrible basketball. We were so spoiled with Miles and Saul. Yes Saul had a few down years however his teams had fight. We aren't even competitive anymore. Heck we won how many games over SDSU in a row? Now we struggle to beat our rivals.
Its beyond PATHETIC
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We're 2-5 against D1 teams right now. We have 5 more D1 games before conference play. I predict we go 1-4 in those. That'll put us at 3-9 heading into our conference opponents. If we then lose the first 2 of those games (both at home), I'm guessing Richman is done right then and there. An assistant steps up to interim coach. Then (to my disappointment) we start scanning the D3 landscape for someone who wants to be a D1 coach on the cheap.
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Professorbum
We're 2-5 against D1 teams right now. We have 5 more D1 games before conference play. I predict we go 1-4 in those. That'll put us at 3-9 going heading into our conference opponents. If we then lose the first 2 of those games (both at home), I'm guessing Richman is done right then and there. An assistant steps up to interim coach. Then (to my disappointment) we start scanning the D3 landscape for someone who wants to be a D1 coach on the cheap.
I highly doubt we'll see any coaching changes midseason (unless it's due to something off the court).
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Kujava23
I used to drive 2 1/2 hours to watch games DURING THE WEEK---when I had season tickets----CANCELLED THEM
I hate everything about Richman's Program---X's and O's--especially after timeouts, lack of player development, poor game management, poor sub patterns, and REALLY tired of listening to him talk about building a culture---OF LOSSSINNNGGGG maybe and no expectations!!!
CAN'T WAIT TILL HE'S GONE
WHAT ARE % of him ACTUALLY STAYING????? Really it has to be less than 25% now RIGHT???
to answer the question: YES!
and then spot on with K23
But I'm sure we'll get the apologists that'll come on and say "that was the #1 team in the country!" crap - this has been the steady downfall of Bison hoops since Richman came on as HC
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Professor Chaos
I highly doubt we'll see any coaching changes midseason (unless it's due to something off the court).
I dunno. I've been bummed at the crickets from the athletics dept through all this. But I can see Richman's seat going to boiling hot over night if we keep losing in the manner we are. Let's say a 15 point loss to USD and a 10 point loss to IPFW, both at home in front of 300 fans and the band... That might actually wake Matt Larson up as to the basketball woes.
I'm probably off on my timing though. Richman wouldn't get let go before the FCS championship, assuming we're still in it. If somehow we're eliminated from the championship, Richman might really be in trouble as the Athletics dept will be in a sour mood to begin with.
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What’s wrong with Richmond? I like what he’s done with the place. He’s tall.
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thebigund
What’s wrong with Richmond? I like what he’s done with the place. He’s tall.
He doesn't have any eligibilty left.:)
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thebigund
What’s wrong with Richmond? I like what he’s done with the place. He’s tall.
Yes. But he is a bad dresser. He needs to lose the brown suit.
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Yes. But he is a bad dresser. He needs to lose the brown suit.
What's with the blue outside and brown inside? Is it reversible? :confused:
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Professorbum
We're 2-5 against D1 teams right now. We have 5 more D1 games before conference play. I predict we go 1-4 in those. That'll put us at 3-9 heading into our conference opponents. If we then lose the first 2 of those games (both at home), I'm guessing Richman is done right then and there. An assistant steps up to interim coach. Then (to my disappointment) we start scanning the D3 landscape for someone who wants to be a D1 coach on the cheap.
I am not trying to be rude, but the last part of your comment is absolutely incorrect. The NDSU job is a GREAT D1 job. Fargo is a great community. Compare the community to a lot of other SUmmit league/similar league cities. Fargo is nice. NDSU is large. We pay very well. We have cost of attendance and a brand new facility, and we have won. That matters. Coaches can look at this place and see two guys at higher jobs than NDSU..proof that you can win in Fargo. We don't graduate anyone. Great young program. We would have a REALLY good list of resumes to look at. A lot of high major assistants take pay cuts to get their first head job. Craig Smith was one. But, he is just one example. There are a small # of D1 jobs in America. A lot of guys want them. We aren't chasing guys on the cheap. NDSU has never been on the cheap. (this goes for NDSU women too...).
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Frustrating watching soo much talent and potential being wasted like this.
Who or where would you like to see the new head coach come from if our current one was giving his walking papers? I'd have to imagine that there are some great assistant coaches out there either the big conferences and or successful mid majors that would be a great fit.
Please discuss.
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He sucks. Theres nothing else to it.
Ive been wanting him out since mid to late 2016. Good to see others are starting to see this now
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MNLonghorn10
He sucks. Theres nothing else to it.
Ive been wanting him out since mid to late 2016. Good to see others are starting to see this now
Right there with ya big dog. That's about the time they were REALLY running the weave with zero creativity. Hard product to watch and get excited about.
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Mr. Burgundy
I am not trying to be rude, but the last part of your comment is absolutely incorrect. The NDSU job is a GREAT D1 job. Fargo is a great community. Compare the community to a lot of other SUmmit league/similar league cities. Fargo is nice. NDSU is large. We pay very well. We have cost of attendance and a brand new facility, and we have won. That matters. Coaches can look at this place and see two guys at higher jobs than NDSU..proof that you can win in Fargo. We don't graduate anyone. Great young program. We would have a REALLY good list of resumes to look at. A lot of high major assistants take pay cuts to get their first head job. Craig Smith was one. But, he is just one example. There are a small # of D1 jobs in America. A lot of guys want them. We aren't chasing guys on the cheap. NDSU has never been on the cheap. (this goes for NDSU women too...).
I don't see your comment as being rude. To the contrary, you quite politely and reasonably countered my pessimism. I agree NDSU is a great place to be. My prediction was that we'd look to fill the job on the cheap. My evidence of cheapness (which may simply be a function of the money we wish we had, but we don't) is that we've allowed the basketball program to collapse without making a change, presumably because we didn't want to buyout a contract. So we're just ridding out the decline. A program not on the cheap would be like, "enough of this crap... We need to find a named and successful coach and become the mid-major everyone expects us to be." Where could we find a named coach? Well, like you said...NDSU is a decent place to be at. Or should be. We're a research 1, land-grant university. We're national champions in football. Perhaps a small-school D1 coach, maybe from a lower paying private college, would want to come here. But instead, will we pursue an assistant currently attached to the team? Or a JUCO coach? Or a D3 coach? None of those options are creative. None of those options are bold. All of those options are cheap. And I fear that's exactly what we're going to do. I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
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I have been very vocal that ALL our jobs should be open for anyone. Volleyball, hoops, football...why wouldn't you want to see who is out there? I am quite positive our next coach will be from a high major who has been waiting his turn to be a head coach. That is all. Thanks for the polite discussion. NO question we need to either turn this around quickly. I would just love some positive energy. I watched the entire game last night. Still think we have some really great SUmmit level pieces.
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To me the ETSU game was more frustrating, they are a solid but not exactly elite mid-major and we never really challenged them. Oddly when Saul left, Forbes who coaches ETSU is a guy I thought the school should have looked at. I fully expected Gonzaga would blow our doors off but like everyone has said when Samuelson is leading the team in minutes and even the Gonzaga announcers are wondering what is going on with Gue, it just adds to the pile of concerns I have regarding the direction of this team. These concerns started with how Richman played Dex and his love affair with the weave offense.
If we make change I fully expect Larsen to make a splashy hire, it will likely be his first major hire and no doubt he will want to make his mark. I think Richman has been a tough issue for him, Dave had a lot of success early and has progressively fallen off track. I don't think he is still here because the athletic departmetn is cheap, they gave him a final shot that could be argued he deserves. I think that will be looked at favorably by potential coaches if we go in a new direction.
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lets talk about scoring the basketball. we are trying to play old school when everything now is scoring. Dave gets upset about a defensive breakdown when he should be more upset about the way we play offense.
All rules are for more scoring and players come from High School that are able to put the ball in the basket. We need a "culture change" bigtime on how to score more points. What we do is run the same old crap that hasnt worked for the past few years. We are 279th this year in scoring. That isnt even close to good enough and has been Daves problem since he took over.
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If Nebraska fails to make the tournament this year we might see a former Bison coach on the market this offseason....
I know it won't happen but humor me.
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NDSUstudent
To me the ETSU game was more frustrating, they are a solid but not exactly elite mid-major and we never really challenged them. Oddly when Saul left, Forbes who coaches ETSU is a guy I thought the school should have looked at. I fully expected Gonzaga would blow our doors off but like everyone has said when Samuelson is leading the team in minutes and even the Gonzaga announcers are wondering what is going on with Gue, it just adds to the pile of concerns I have regarding the direction of this team. These concerns started with how Richman played Dex and his love affair with the weave offense.
If we make change I fully expect Larsen to make a splashy hire, it will likely be his first major hire and no doubt he will want to make his mark. I think Richman has been a tough issue for him, Dave had a lot of success early and has progressively fallen off track. I don't think he is still here because the athletic departmetn is cheap, they gave him a final shot that could be argued he deserves. I think that will be looked at favorably by potential coaches if we go in a new direction.
Actually, that's a really good point.
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I havent read the whole thread, and havent watched many games this year yet...theres 2 burgundy posts in this thread and neither of them are defending the coach. That says enough for me.
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I haven't really watched at all this year and I have no inside information and I'm not a great basketball mind. That said, watching him coach and the body language of the team, it just doesn't seem like they want to play for him. He just looks like he's really grumpy and it seems like he beats them down, again just a feeling and could be completely off. That style might have worked 20-30 years ago, but I just don't see it now. Is this the final year of his contract or is there one more year?
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Gully
I haven't really watched at all this year and I have no inside information and I'm not a great basketball mind. That said, watching him coach and the body language of the team, it just doesn't seem like they want to play for him. He just looks like he's really grumpy and it seems like he beats them down, again just a feeling and could be completely off. That style might have worked 20-30 years ago, but I just don't see it now. Is this the final year of his contract or is there one more year?
I think that this will be the end of the Tim Miles coaching tree at NDSU
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This team will be 2-10
You'd think that would be enough.
But mr stony brook is so small time, he won't even call a FBS conference commissioner. Let alone fire a coach
Sad really
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BisonTeacher
I havent read the whole thread, and havent watched many games this year yet...theres 2 burgundy posts in this thread and neither of them are defending the coach. That says enough for me.
I'm with you. I don't care for Dave's coaching style or personnel decisions but I'll give him credit for some of the talent he's brought in. I've also refrained from attacking him because he's gone above and beyond for a family member who's had some health issues. Dave's a good guy. BUT, the trend is not good. I question the interaction with players and assistant coaches. The kids look like they are pressing and frustrated. They play tight. The exception was the UCSB game, which was a joy to watch. I don't have a problem with the attrition (except for the starting guard who's now on the west coast). Most of those kids weren't D-1 players. I'm concerned we'll lose some current players with upside after this season. There's nothing to indicate we'll get better as the season progresses because that hasn't happened under Dave's watch. Really frustrating to see the same thing every year. Sucks talking about replacing a coach due to poor results as opposed to moving on to a bigger, better opportunity.
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Professorbum
I dunno. I've been bummed at the crickets from the athletics dept through all this. But I can see Richman's seat going to boiling hot over night if we keep losing in the manner we are. Let's say a 15 point loss to USD and a 10 point loss to IPFW, both at home in front of 300 fans and the band... That might actually wake Matt Larson up as to the basketball woes.
I'm probably off on my timing though. Richman wouldn't get let go before the FCS championship, assuming we're still in it. If somehow we're eliminated from the championship, Richman might really be in trouble as the Athletics dept will be in a sour mood to begin with.
I highly doubt anything will be done in season
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BisonTeacher
I havent read the whole thread, and havent watched many games this year yet...theres 2 burgundy posts in this thread and neither of them are defending the coach. That says enough for me.
I was thinking the exact same thing. I also think NDSUstudent is on to something with Matt Larsen most likely wanting to make a splash with a hire.
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The thing with Richman is he’s all about himself. His personality and all-important self is easy to see through. The way he talks and represents himself is telling. He’s the most important guy in the room, just ask him.
I personally can not stand the guy—but that’s just me. They way he talks?? Good God already... can’t see how a college kids relates if they have any sense of self-respect.
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I get the feeling that when he got this job it went to his head. He's from here and knows how big NDSU is around this area and now he's the big man on campus. He's always rubbed me the wrong way to with the way he holds himself and the way he talks.
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The thing with Richman is he’s all about himself. His personality and all-important self is easy to see through. The way he talks and represents himself is telling. He’s the most important guy in the room, just ask him.
I personally can not stand the guy—but that’s just me. They way he talks?? Good God already... can’t see how a college kids relates if they have any sense of self-respect.
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