Will be interested to hear about the projected new year for NDSU fall enrollment. I read that MSUM is up 10% for undergraduate students and 18% for graduate students. I hope we can also do well.
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Will be interested to hear about the projected new year for NDSU fall enrollment. I read that MSUM is up 10% for undergraduate students and 18% for graduate students. I hope we can also do well.
I'm curious too. I hope MSUM can start growing again. Their decline over the last 20 years has been sad to see. Free tuition for families under 80k should help
NDSU has the same thing free tuition for families under $80,000. Only difference is that the State of Minnesota pays for the tuition for eligible students at the Minnesota colleges whereas at NDSU, it is (for now) funded by private donors until/if the ND State Legislature helps out.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
I don't think NDSU has publicized the "free tuition for families under $80,000 very much." Their promotion/recruitment of NDSU has always been subpar in my opinion.
Even with MSUM having a 10% increase in undergraduate enrollment, I saw in "the paper" that they are planning to cut 6 faculty positions. Not an earthshaking amount but, still, 6 positions in order to balance the budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Everything I've seen says we'll be down a little this year, but not much...hopefully, this is the low point and things start moving back up...
I agree...people got complacent when a few billboards in MSP was all we needed. That changed, and our recruiting/marketing people haven't kept up.Quote:
Originally Posted by LefseBison
I heard it is not down "a little." One person who knows her stuff told me they did NOT promote the free tuition very much for North Dakota and Minnesota students.
Recruitment/marketing people have a JOB. DO IT. Lazy. There is a lot of competition for student dollars.
Welcome to it: https://www.google.com/search?q=enro...hrome&ie=UTF-8
You were ready or you were not.
Sounds like our AD...Quote:
Originally Posted by LefseBison
Administration has been saying this for years. "Next year will be better." If UND has gone up and MSUM has gone up and, what I am hearing, NDSU is going down in enrollment (we will wait and see), then it is on NDSU Recruitment as it proves they are doing a poor job. And NDSU has its own tuition-free program. So double down on blame to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
I get steamed when NDSU does not sell itself better than it does. Nobody to blame but themselves. Bad, lackadaisical recruitment in some of the colleges.
One of the professors told me a year ago that she was sick and tired of recruiting materials having a huge focus on the football program. The Bison football program is an icing-on-the-cake thing but not the main reason 99% of students come here.
** Also Valley City State has consistently gone up in enrollment. I am on their mailing list for some reason (I gave them a small donation once and they never give up on me) and so I get lots of their stuff. Excellent salesmanship of the university. If I had had kids, I might have sent them there.
I don’t disagree with much of that. Our recruiting and marketing people really dropped the ball in the last 6-8 years. Once it stopped being easy, they didn’t step up at all….Quote:
Originally Posted by LefseBison
The whole point of a university is to educate students. Operative word - "students." If you don't recruit them well - sigh. We all know what happens when enrollment is down - affecting staff numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
I hope I am getting worked up for nothing. I am a hot-headed person and then I cool down.
Yep. Marketing has always been mediocre. It's more than marketing though. It's about networking and reaching students years before they enroll. Not 6 months beforeQuote:
Originally Posted by LefseBison
I wrote Bresciani years ago a letter when I noticed their marketing/recruiting tactics were not done well. It was a very detailed letter with some of the strategies employed by other close-by universities that I noticed as a mere alumna. I didn't expect a response and I did not get one.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
But when the enrollment numbers come out (and even if they are okay) I am going to try again, this time with Dr. Cook and Provost Bertolini. It is, for me, exasperating when they do not wonder why numbers are consistently down. I looked at the graph of enrollment numbers for the past 6 years or so and it shows a consistent decline. Off the top of my head, the high of 14,500 (or so), then every year after, going down. Last year, 11,952 or so. Meanwhile, dorm complexes were built to handle the anticipated influx of students projected to occur by President Bresciani (remember the magic number of 18,000)? What a memory that was.
Why do I care? I ask myself that on a daily basis, not only about NDSU but other things. It is a waste of my paper, printer ink and postage.
And it is only going to get worse. The college landscape is going to be very different in the next 10-20 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
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Sounds like our ADQuote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
Complacency has been an administrative theme…probably learned it at a retreat or something….Quote:
Originally Posted by BISONBRI53
Hey don’t kill the messenger guys but I’m hearing NDSU is already up for fall compared to last year, and if my slope reading skills are correct, I would say it’s still climbing at a decent clip
Wow - well the rumor mill may be wrong? If so, I am really glad!Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
I won't believe it until I hear legislators complaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by tony
They'll change the funding model so it's not all about enrollment
Just saw that—nice upturn in the last few days! Hopefully it continues to third week!Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Does anyone want to share? :hungry:Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
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Originally Posted by LefseBison
Double digits, so not huge but we've potentially bottomed out and started back up...
Almost 12k students
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Last year, it was 11,952. Not much of an increase at all unless there are more students expected. But better than a decrease.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
Last years number is from third week. We almost always increase from day one to week three….Quote:
Originally Posted by LefseBison
That fact always surprised me. Freshman year I knew a lot more kids that left in the first couple weeks than started lolQuote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
I think a lot of it is grad students who are notorious for registering late...Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Is there a public space where a mere alumna such as me can check on the progress of enrollment? A few of you are obviously well connected.
I saw a video/article that UND's enrollment is very, very good this year, and they don't have the free tuition thing that NDSU has (that I know of?)
Not that I know of. I've heard the same about UND....Quote:
Originally Posted by LefseBison
UND first day 2024 = 14,724
+863 or 6.23% over first day 2023
Last year UND gained 300+ between first day and fourth week census day.
Source: Teeder11 at that other board and he'd have access to such data
I saw these numbers too. UND does not have the paid tuition program for its students that NDSU has (assuming family income under $80K) And yet they beat us on enrollment handily. What is their secret? Good recruitment? I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
NDSU will be up his year. Looking at the numbers, I’m guessing around 2.5% (200-300), although I could be wrong. I got a similar number from someone at NDSU, but people closer to the problem said that this is too optimistic and that the goal this year was to simply stop the bleeding. I’m also hearing that some of the STEM service courses are up over 20% this year, which is unprecedented.Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
People like lefse need to accept the fact the previous administration screwed the pooch big-time on this (and that is being polite, tbh), but some NDSU faculty are also complicit because they refuse to change the way they teach (it’s still about them and not the students). These people are being weeded out, and once the new on-line programs go live, I think we will be on a very nice growth trajectory. + 2.5 % this year would be excellent given the trajectory NDSU was on.
I’m also told that the new marketing people have some significant new ammunition …
But more importantly, get up folks!! It’s game day. Go Bison!!
I understand that I process everything on an emotional level and sometimes see life as a zero-sum game, but it bothers me because I don't like wasted opportunities. The University Administration and Marketing/Recruiting needs to put themselves in the place of students and how they can be wooed and won over. In other words, quit making it about a football focus and make it about the net value of pursuing a degree here. Football is the icing on the cake. I would be happy with a couple hundred net new students if NDSU wants to throw me a bone.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
I heard Business is up, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
It certainly isn't the academics.Quote:
Originally Posted by LefseBison
One third (1/3) of their total enrollment is 100% on-line, roughly 5k. That is not a typo. I'm told the legislature has taken note ...Quote:
Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan
If NDSU had followed through on the on-line effort that was in-place when DB arrived, they would easily have an 'enrollment' of 18k right now.
My memory is hazy but I seem to recall DB was not a fan of on-line. He was old-school. Too bad he did not listen to staff who were trying to tell him things that were difficult to hear but needed to be said. You need to surround yourself with people who will tell you difficult things and LISTEN to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Not sure on the accuracy of your numbers, not does it really matter, but those students pay the same amount of tuition.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
UND is also bursting at the seams in regards to on campus housing.
Rather deal with those things instead of yelling at clouds, ignoring that excelling in online delivery is going to be vital to be successful in the future.