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Northwestern Fitzgerald suspension / Dave Braun
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Re: Northwestern Fitzgerald suspension / Dave Braun
Well, I don't think that anybody will blame Dave Braun for what happened at Northwestern. While this situation will not be great in the short term for Coach Braun, I think that he'll end up OK (at least, I hope so.) They could do worse than naming him head coach.
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To think that in this day and age this type of behavior persists; incredible .
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southcliffbison
To think that in this day and age this type of behavior persists; incredible .
No kidding.
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KC_Hats
I will be shocked if they retain him. I am even more shocked that this shit is still going on. In this day and age how in the fuck can you think that you can keep doing this???
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I don't blame Coach Braun for what happened (is happening) at Northwestern, I said he could be out of a job if they fire Fitzgerald (as they should).
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tony
Well, I don't think that anybody will blame Dave Braun for what happened at Northwestern. While this situation will not be great in the short term for Coach Braun, I think that he'll end up OK (at least, I hope so.) They could do worse than naming him head coach.
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well Braun would end back at NDSU if he's let go, Entz is his buddy
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southcliffbison
To think that in this day and age this type of behavior persists; incredible .
Hazing has been going on for decades. No matter how much groups try to get rid of it, new members bring it back little by little. It must be some innate thing in humans to put artificial barriers in place between existing and new members.
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I'd think it's too close to the season to fire anyone other than Fitzgerald meaning that they'd probably retain his staff to coach this season and, as the DC, Braun would be one of the top candidates for interim HC especially since he has no connection to these past shenanigans being in his first year there. So he might only be there a year but he also might have an opportunity to show he can lead a Big Ten program.
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IndyBison
Hazing has been going on for decades. No matter how much groups try to get rid of it, new members bring it back little by little. It must be some innate thing in humans to put artificial barriers in place between existing and new members.
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Sure, but there is paying for rookie dinner parties or being made to wear Dora the explorer backpacks through the airport and then there’s gang dry humping in the shower.
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Sounds more like a previous player going on attack against the program, and blowing things way out of proportion. If coach Fitz can be run out of a program, anyone can. I’m not buying this until there much more evidence.
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ESPN says he is fired now
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LOL how ridiculous.
They find out anything different, or did they just find out that their asses were grass if they didn't actually do something?
Two weeks unpaid vacation to forever unpaid vacation is a bit of a jump there, boys
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Welcome Head Coach David Braun! ha ha .
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El_Chapo
Welcome Head Coach David Braun! ha ha .
Likely won’t have a job after the new hire comes in?
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#Northwestern will name an interim coach soon. For now, new defensive coordinator David Braun will serve as a liaison and manage the program, per source.
I think David Braun has a legit shot!
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bisonaudit
Sure, but there is paying for rookie dinner parties or being made to wear Dora the explorer backpacks through the airport and then there’s gang dry humping in the shower.
That's how it starts. What if the player refuses to wear the backpack. They'll punish him for it with something bigger. Then whatever happens to that player, he escalates it a little more the next year. We see it over and over and over in the fraternity world. It's not a direct path, but it's an evolutionary path.
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IndyBison
That's how it starts. What if the player refuses to wear the backpack. They'll punish him for it with something bigger. Then whatever happens to that player, he escalates it a little more the next year. We see it over and over and over in the fraternity world. It's not a direct path, but it's an evolutionary path.
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I had a kid attend the Northwestern FB camp 4 or 5 summers ago. I was very impressed with Coach Fitzgerald end of camp message. He read the kids the riot act in regards to behavior, specifically with the young ladies. He let it be known anyone at the camp that had a Northwestern offer, that was the equivalent of a $80k year job. You will act at the standards of the university and you will not embarrass it.
The Coach noted that beer, drugs, girls, cars are out there. All can impact your scholarship.
He also noted that he was a chicago guy, NW grad, player, came back and coached. You will not make the university look bad.
I was very impressed as it appeared he laid down the law. probably a situation happened and the there was a cover up which many times is worse than the crime.
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kab1one
I had a kid attend the Northwestern FB camp 4 or 5 summers ago. I was very impressed with Coach Fitzgerald end of camp message. He read the kids the riot act in regards to behavior, specifically with the young ladies. He let it be known anyone at the camp that had a Northwestern offer, that was the equivalent of a $80k year job. You will act at the standards of the university and you will not embarrass it.
The Coach noted that beer, drugs, girls, cars are out there. All can impact your scholarship.
He also noted that he was a chicago guy, NW grad, player, came back and coached. You will not make the university look bad.
I was very impressed as it appeared he laid down the law. probably a situation happened and the there was a cover up which many times is worse than the crime.
I really hope he wasn't involved because everything you hear about him has been great. He could have left for other places but stayed there. That's the problem with hazing though. A lot of really smart people brush it off as good, clean fun, and some of the minor stuff is. Maybe the details of what these guys were doing were unknown to him, but it sounds like they have some pretty solid evidence with the Shrek lists and visual signals. When a different lens is put on things, it can impact you differently.
My fraternity former executive director is nationally known for a presentation he does called Hazing on Trial. He tells a dramatic story about a having death from the context of the students involved and the experience of sitting in a witness stand defending everything you did. It's a very powerful monolog and impacts everyone who sees it. He's been fighting this fight for decades, but as we say, we get a new group of students every 4 years, and what was taught to the previous group needs to keep getting taught. Hazing isn't everywhere especially at this extreme, but it's still enough places is hard to eliminate. There must be an innate desire in humans to feel they need to earn a position in a group this way.
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Talk about being at the right place at the right time. Damn!
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Would be weird if Braun hired Entz as his DC.
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Son of a Bison
Would be weird if Braun hired Entz as his DC.
Weird but WONDERFUL!!!!!
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This is quite a deal. I honestly believe Fitz may have not known, but he is still responsible.
Wonder what the trick is for a coach to find out? Put the fear of God into everyone during a personal meeting you need to rat out the bad guys if it is happening? That is easier said than done. All in the era of the transfer portal, which puts in another interesting dynamic where players are becoming more like Gods than college athletes, in their minds.... (ie I can do whatever the f$%^ I want; I'll transfer if they don't like it.)
What a cluster. Hope Fitz lands on his feet and figures out a way to prevent it in his next job. Someone is going to hire him. Great coach.
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Son of a Bison
Would be weird if Braun hired Entz as his DC.
He's not the interim coach yet. He's just put on place to manage the team while the identity an interim coach. It could become him, but not yet.
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THEsocalledfan
This is quite a deal. I honestly believe Fitz may have not known, but he is still responsible.
Wonder what the trick is for a coach to find out? Put the fear of God into everyone during a personal meeting you need to rat out the bad guys if it is happening? That is easier said than done. All in the era of the transfer portal, which puts in another interesting dynamic where players are becoming more like Gods than college athletes, in their minds.... (ie I can do whatever the f$%^ I want; I'll transfer if they don't like it.)
What a cluster. Hope Fitz lands on his feet and figures out a way to prevent it in his next job. Someone is going to hire him. Great coach.
Ummmm, apparently he was actively adding people to the “shrek list” during practice with a specific clap that matched what was performed during the hazing. It sure seems like he knew.
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I can't belive they would suspend someone who went 1-11 first before firing. Prefect excuse to get rid of him. 1-11 eh
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bisonaudit
Ummmm, apparently he was actively adding people to the “shrek list” during practice with a specific clap that matched what was performed during the hazing. It sure seems like he knew.
Source please and not some non reputable website. I don't believe he's that dumb.
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THEsocalledfan
Source please and not some non reputable website. I don't believe he's that dumb.
dailynorthwestern.com
The top 4 stories there are all about what a disaster the football program is including now alleged incidents of racism.
You can believe whatever you want.
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I'm not so sure this is going to be an all rosy situation for Braun. It sounds like the players are all pissed either that Fitzgerald was fired or the way Fitzgerald was fired since they all found out via social media. There's going to be a huge issue with team morale potentially with players leaving/quitting and he's going to have an administrative microscope on him from the Northwestern brass to make sure everything about the program is being ran on the up and up. Not exactly an ideal situation for a guy sitting in the big seat for the first time in a situation he was likely completely unprepared for in the first place. I'd guess he's going to lean on Entz quite a bit for advice and such.
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Professor Chaos
I'm not so sure this is going to be an all rosy situation for Braun. It sounds like the players are all pissed either that Fitzgerald was fired or the way Fitzgerald was fired since they all found out via social media. There's going to be a huge issue with team morale potentially with players leaving/quitting and he's going to have an administrative microscope on him from the Northwestern brass to make sure everything about the program is being ran on the up and up. Not exactly an ideal situation for a guy sitting in the big seat for the first time in a situation he was likely completely unprepared for in the first place. I'd guess he's going to lean on Entz quite a bit for advice and such.
He's not the interim coach. He's just managing things until they name the interim.
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IndyBison
He's not the interim coach. He's just managing things until they name the interim.
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I know I'm just assuming if he is named interim coach.
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Professor Chaos
I'm not so sure this is going to be an all rosy situation for Braun. It sounds like the players are all pissed either that Fitzgerald was fired or the way Fitzgerald was fired since they all found out via social media. There's going to be a huge issue with team morale potentially with players leaving/quitting and he's going to have an administrative microscope on him from the Northwestern brass to make sure everything about the program is being ran on the up and up. Not exactly an ideal situation for a guy sitting in the big seat for the first time in a situation he was likely completely unprepared for in the first place. I'd guess he's going to lean on Entz quite a bit for advice and such.
Seems like perhaps a bunch of players leaving the program could be a good thing. 1 they weren’t very good 2 the culture clearly needs a reboot 3 how good could morale actually have been in the first place?
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Professor Chaos
I'm not so sure this is going to be an all rosy situation for Braun. It sounds like the players are all pissed either that Fitzgerald was fired or the way Fitzgerald was fired since they all found out via social media. There's going to be a huge issue with team morale potentially with players leaving/quitting and he's going to have an administrative microscope on him from the Northwestern brass to make sure everything about the program is being ran on the up and up. Not exactly an ideal situation for a guy sitting in the big seat for the first time in a situation he was likely completely unprepared for in the first place. I'd guess he's going to lean on Entz quite a bit for advice and such.
Portal some Bison eh?
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scottietohottie
Portal some Bison eh?
Don't be giving any ideas there bro!!! Shhhhhhhhh!
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bisonaudit
dailynorthwestern.com
The top 4 stories there are all about what a disaster the football program is including now alleged incidents of racism.
You can believe whatever you want.
And espn said no evidence found he knew. That is a lot more believable to me.
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...tzgerald-cause
Note he still is responsible, so not saying he is innocent..... he just did not know.
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I'd be willing to bet most 1-11 teams are a complete shit show behind the scenes eh.
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THEsocalledfan
I think the report said that they couldn’t prove he knew, that’s not the same as no evidence. And, yes, he’s responsible either way.
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As audit says, a lack of evidence isn't the absence of knowledge. Idk if he knew or not. That's a them problem, not a me problem. Northwestern may just want to start over, not exactly a football factory trying to win the Big Ten.
I hope he was unaware of the details. If he was, bad deal for him. Hazing is fine, this seems to have went a couple steps further than it should have.
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ByeSonBusiness
As audit says, a lack of evidence isn't the absence of knowledge. Idk if he knew or not. That's a them problem, not a me problem. Northwestern may just want to start over, not exactly a football factory trying to win the Big Ten.
I hope he was unaware of the details. If he was, bad deal for him. Hazing is fine, this seems to have went a couple steps further than it should have.
Bingo
Its called a loss of institutional control. Pete Carrol can tell you all about it.