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2017 Tailgating Changes
Interesting article in the Forum today about changes to tailgating coming this fall: http://www.inforum.com/sports/425218...ilgating-spots
Some very welcome changes in my opinion. In particular:
- 250 of the approximate 500 general admission spots will now be reserved.
- NDSU is also changing its tailgating pass system from a season pass to individual game passes. That way if somebody knows they won't be at a certain game they can give it away or sell it to somebody else through an online blog system.
It is also mentioned that expanding tailgating to another parking lot is under discussion but according to Simmers "Where and what that looks like? I don't know."
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I welcome anyway for NDSU to make a little more money, especially at something with such high demand. However, you're pushing away people probably faster than you're bringing them in. They need to focus on the reserved tailgaters that rarely/never use their spaces. Hopefully the new per game passes help, but I don't see it happening. Expansion needs to be done and done quickly. Even if it's for the first 3 or so games that are high demand.
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I'm sick of it. "Behind the scenes, behind the scenes!" is such a bullshit excuse. You don't know what that would look like? Are we looking to the past or are we trying to ACTUALLY look forward. You are going to dump half of the GA spots for reserved spots...but yet there are a LOT of new season ticket holders in the tailgate lots.
Seriously, figure it the hell out. Why even say anything if the only response is "I don't know what that would look like". Christ. How about the rest of the damn dome lots? Hell, I'd GLADLY tailgate in the grass lot where we line up - that would be absolutely perfect and I would have ZERO problem walking.
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Such crap.
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We're more than comfortable that we're taking care of our blue-collar fans because that's what we've been built on. So we made a decision that will take care of all of our fans.
What that's really saying is "we're going to remove half of the GA spots and sell them to the highest bidder as reserved without adding anything new for GA and then when the line for GA gets longer rather then shorter we'll act surprised and point to is as us doing something because screw the little guys".
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Hopefully 90% of the people who get the spots are also the people waiting in line
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"But we get more requests about reserved than we do about general admission."
Uh no shit pat. lol. Who the hell inquires about anything general admission? whether its a concert, bison football game or ndsu tailgating, its pretty standard of what it is.
This might be the death of the GA lot now that theyre cutting it in half. itll look like the North half of the new reserved lot for playoff games in November for games vs shitty opponents. It really fizzled when it got colder and colder, and once September was done, the line in the rugby field was short. But when those new reserved tailgaters dont want to bare the elements but still take up x amount of spots, itll look bad.
Again, $5 bucks a spot is robbery and cheaper to park there than the other side of the fargodome. triple it to 15 and youll cut that line in half real quick once the free loaders go park for free/cheaper elsewhere.
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My group was pushed out of tailgating a few years ago already with the majority elimination of the GA....now it is just laughable. #bringbackthegrass :rofl:
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BisonFan02
My group was pushed out of tailgating a few years ago already with the majority elimination of the GA....now it is just laughable. #bringbackthegrass :rofl:
most of you guys from Rugby? because if you dont live in Fargo...you're pretty much boned.
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I will say that I am very happy having reserved tailgating spots. Glad this doesn't concern me
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HerdBot
I will say that I am very happy having reserved tailgating spots. Glad this doesn't concern me
If your neighbors suck, I wouldn't be very happy with having reserved tailgating spots. but if theyre good...then yea, nothing better.
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MNLonghorn10
If your neighbors suck, I wouldn't be very happy with having reserved tailgating spots. but if theyre good...then yea, nothing better.
Fortunately I like my neighbors and they like us too. Then again I don't have a giant bus with an awesome sound system that can melt your face off either
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Did they even think about how when they increased the reserved lot last time the length of the line increased? I didn't think so. This sucks, I don't get into town till about 10:00 PM Friday night before games
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EndZoneQB
I'm sick of it. "Behind the scenes, behind the scenes!" is such a bullshit excuse. You don't know what that would look like? Are we looking to the past or are we trying to ACTUALLY look forward. You are going to dump half of the GA spots for reserved spots...but yet there are a LOT of new season ticket holders in the tailgate lots.
Seriously, figure it the hell out. Why even say anything if the only response is "I don't know what that would look like". Christ. How about the rest of the damn dome lots? Hell, I'd GLADLY tailgate in the grass lot where we line up - that would be absolutely perfect and I would have ZERO problem walking.
It took Pat Simmers over 3 years to come up with: "Where and what that looks like? I don't know." You got to be kidding me. Some of the dead wood needs to leave teammakers real soon. No expanded seating in the dome for the next 50 years........since they don't have anything to worry about there let's just sit on our hands regarding tailgating overflow for the first 3 games. How brilliant, expand reserve tailgating, and shrink GA to close to nothing. Why don't they really make something better and increase revenues at the same time? So simple to just raise fees and pat themselves on the back. Bison football Nation at zero growth. Home crowd 18,500 fans and stagnated. Season tickets 12,800 seats and stagnated, Tailgate 1500 spots and stagnated. Hope NDSU's president, AD and head of teammakers is proud of that. Apparently they are not familiar with the word growth. I suppose all the FBS, both P5 and some G5 schools, once had the same football capacities as NDSU (40, 70 or 100 years ago). Obviously their vision wasn't to stay the same size for dozens and dozens of years. I have heard of backward thinking, and forward thinking, but I think the status here can best be summarized as no thinking. Congrats on essentially doing nothing and riding the coat tails of success enjoyed by several Bison football teams.
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ONLY D2 thing left at NDSU is Teammakers President and Teammakers idea's.
last 5 years they have left MILLIONS on the table, as has this university.
Open up more lots, don't make more lots reserved, how about open up the east side for tailgating too, seriously, its 2017, who cares.
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SDbison
It took Pat Simmers over 3 years to come up with: "Where and what that looks like? I don't know." You got to be kidding me. Some of the dead wood needs to leave teammakers real soon. No expanded seating in the dome for the next 50 years........since they don't have anything to worry about there let's just sit on our hands regarding tailgating overflow for the first 3 games. How brilliant, expand reserve tailgating, and shrink GA to close to nothing. Why don't they really make something better and increase revenues at the same time? So simple to just raise fees and pat themselves on the back. Bison football Nation at zero growth. Home crowd 18,500 fans and stagnated. Season tickets 12,800 seats and stagnated, Tailgate 1500 spots and stagnated. Hope NDSU's president, AD and head of teammakers is proud of that. Apparently they are not familiar with the word growth. I suppose all the FBS, both P5 and some G5 schools, once had the same football capacities as NDSU (40, 70 or 100 years ago). Obviously their vision wasn't to stay the same size for dozens and dozens of years. I have heard of backward thinking, and forward thinking, but I think the status here can best be summarized as no thinking. Congrats on essentially doing nothing and riding the coat tails of success enjoyed by several Bison football teams.
Out of the park....you hit it with this post
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Who would have thought increasing the area where people are allowed to drink in a parking lot for a few hours 6-9 days a year would take so long and be so difficult? Who ever is making the creation of an overflow lot for tailgating such a long and difficult process seriously should find something better to do with their lives.
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SDbison
It took Pat Simmers over 3 years to come up with: "Where and what that looks like? I don't know." You got to be kidding me. Some of the dead wood needs to leave teammakers real soon. No expanded seating in the dome for the next 50 years........since they don't have anything to worry about there let's just sit on our hands regarding tailgating overflow for the first 3 games. How brilliant, expand reserve tailgating, and shrink GA to close to nothing. Why don't they really make something better and increase revenues at the same time? So simple to just raise fees and pat themselves on the back. Bison football Nation at zero growth. Home crowd 18,500 fans and stagnated. Season tickets 12,800 seats and stagnated, Tailgate 1500 spots and stagnated. Hope NDSU's president, AD and head of teammakers is proud of that. Apparently they are not familiar with the word growth. I suppose all the FBS, both P5 and some G5 schools, once had the same football capacities as NDSU (40, 70 or 100 years ago). Obviously their vision wasn't to stay the same size for dozens and dozens of years. I have heard of backward thinking, and forward thinking, but I think the status here can best be summarized as no thinking. Congrats on essentially doing nothing and riding the coat tails of success enjoyed by several Bison football teams.
Great post, Dave. Yes, folks, I know SD can be negative, but this is spot on so read carefully even if painful. I am starting to wonder about crazy UN_ conspiracies being behind all this at this point, as the logic is zero.
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THEsocalledfan
Great post, Dave. Yes, folks, I know SD can be negative, but this is spot on so read carefully even if painful. I am starting to wonder about crazy UN_ conspiracies being behind all this at this point, as the logic is zero.
Except the people that seem to be catching most of the shit here don't actually control most of the stuff people are actually upset about.
If people honestly believe that if teammakers could make a unilateral decision to expand the total number of tailgating spaces they wouldn't, they can't be helped, to say nothing of the notion that they can just magic up more seats or a new stadium with the wave of a hand.
At the moment there are x number of spaces. People who want them either pay for them with their money or their time. Next year more people will be paying with money instead of time. That's going to be good for some people, neutral for others and obviously bad for some too.
Weekly passes seem like a win for everyone so that's good for sure.
If the PD doesn't see reduced GA lineups maybe that's another of the half dozen entities that need so sign off on more total spaces that get won over next off season?
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"We anticipate the requests for reserved will be coming out of that line," Simmers said.
I'll be interested to see if they design a process that supports this anticipation. My fear is that in a decision making process that begins and ends with priority points that the "expansion" of reserved tailgating will result in current reserved holders expanding their footprint. That will make an already scarce resource even more scarce.
I love bison football, but at this point the cost and the effort it takes to plan and attend games is taking much of the "fun" away. I almost prefer going to road games like Brookings because it's easier. I've been a teammaker for a decade (part of the time living out of state) that has increased my donations every year but apparently I'm . Watching opportunity shrink while giving more isn't entirely satisfying.
And don't take this as a "woe is me" statement. It is what it is and I accept that. I have to make adult decisions how I allocate my income and unfortunately as popularity has grown enjoying bison football has gotten more difficult and more expensive. I know that reducing my teammakers contribution is essentially giving up the hope for season tickets to football (I have great basketball season tickets) and that once I do that there is no coming back.
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bisonaudit
Except the people that seem to be catching most of the shit here don't actually control most of the stuff people are actually upset about.
If people honestly believe that if teammakers makers could make a unilateral decision to expand the total number of tailgating spaces they wouldn't, they can't be helped, to say nothing of the notion that they can just magic up more seat or a new stadium with the wave of a hand.
At the moment there are x number of spaces. People who want them either pay for them with their money or their time. Next year more people will be paying with money instead of time. That's going to be good for some people, neutral for others and obviously bad for some too.
Weekly passes seem like a win for everyone so that's good for sure.
If the PD doesn't see reduced GA lineups maybe that's another of the half dozen entities that need so sign off on more total spaces that get won over next off season?
I agree with you EZ. But clearly the presidents power has been checked which I do think is a big issue at this point.
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The insiders is announcing the home game times at 11. Curious how early I have to wake up this year
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HerdBot
The insiders is announcing the home game times at 11. Curious how early I have to wake up this year
would love to see 3pm games...be ideal IMO
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HerdBot
The insiders is announcing the home game times at 11. Curious how early I have to wake up this year
I would guess
5 at 2:30 and 1 at 1PM
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Bison"FANatic"
I would guess
5 at 2:30 and 1 at 1PM
That's the perfect start time. Love it! 5 1/2 hours before kickoff means I can roll in at 9 am
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HerdBot
That's the perfect start time. Love it! 5 1/2 hours before kickoff means I can roll in at 9 am
I love the 6pm games myself...but don't see that happening...
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TransAmBison
I love the 6pm games myself...but don't see that happening...
even 4PM would be good, get out in a decent time and go in at a decent time
absolutly hate 11am, 1pm games. 230 is ok but still pretty early in the day
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Moving back to Ohio so I'll finally be able to get to Youngstown. Hope others are coming after the shitty reception 2 years ago.
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Let's have Friday night tailgate and all problems solved.
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mr meaty
let's have friday night tailgate and all problems solved.
i second this
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If they actually wanted to grow the fan base there's 2 clear options in my opinion. Bigger stadium (in 30 years maybe) or allow tailgating during the game. This is 100% not going to happen.
Edit: TSCF's thread was in smack talk
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tjbison
even 4PM would be good, get out in a decent time and go in at a decent time
absolutly hate 11am, 1pm games. 230 is ok but still pretty early in the day
11am sucks
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Trumpster
If they actually wanted to grow the fan base there's 2 clear options in my opinion. Bigger stadium (in 30 years maybe) or allow tailgating during the game. This is 100% not going to happen. They don't even want to have people tailgating now if they don't have game tickets (based on what TSCF posted from Simmers).
I've always thought those saying TM's is small time were being dumb jerks, but these comments from Simmers are bringing me around to their side.
Make sure you put the comments in context. Pulling a one liner out of a whole conversation doesnt serve anyone well.
You also have to define WHO wants to grow the fan base and WHO is stifling that growth.
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56BISON73
Make sure you put the comments in context. Pulling a one liner out of a whole conversation doesnt serve anyone well.
You also have to define WHO wants to grow the fan base and WHO is stifling that growth.
I retract some of what I said as TSCF's thread was in smack talk. I still do think that if we can't get a new stadium going the obvious way to increase the fan experience is to allow tailgating during the game.
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This or someone should invent a device that lets you watch the game without actually being there.
That would be f#cking awesome.
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56BISON73
11am sucks
I totally agree. That is probably the only game of the year I don't get my full 5 1/2 hours in but I still manage to arrive just after 6 am
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HerdBot
I totally agree. That is probably the only game of the year I don't get my full 5 1/2 hours in but I still manage to arrive just after 6 am
So are all of the games going to be at 11am?
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Man those early days sure were different. Heck I remember when teammakers gave out free brats burgers and beer. Man have things changed. People complain and complain and complain but if you actually step back and look at the changes that have occurred over the last 3 years, 5 years 10 years 15 years, It is striking.
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Bison"FANatic"
Man those early days sure were different. Heck I remember when teammakers gave out free brats burgers and beer. Man have things changed. People complain and complain and complain but if you actually step back and look at the changes that have occurred over the last 3 years, 5 years 10 years 15 years, It is striking.
Agreed, we still have a long ways to go though, and lots of things to improve on. Iowa State is the gold standard for tailgating.
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TransAmBison
I love the 6pm games myself...but don't see that happening...
This!!!!!!!!!