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The Cutting Edge - Who Would You Pick?
The Cutting Edge Audio - Who Would You Pick?
Embrace debate! Senior columnist Josh Swanson and editor Nolan Schmidt asked and you delivered. Who would you want under center in crunch time? Carson Wentz, Brock Jensen or Easton Stick?
SITUATION: Championship game, Down by 4 points, with the ball on the home 20, 4th Qtr, 1:45 left on the clock - who is your QB?
Depends on the QB, the O-line, the receivers and RB - supporting the QB and who the opponent is. Not enough info to make a pick.
[PS: Audio is a fun trip down memory lane.... good listening!!]
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Brock Jensen, just saying. Can’t go wrong with any of them, but 16 set his jaw on last minute drives.
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How this is even a question?
It’s Wentz. Everyday and twice on Sundays.
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This must be the unofficial mid-trough point of another long off-season.
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I'm going with a write in candidate......I'll take Walker.
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Originally Posted by
bisonaudit
How this is even a question?
It’s Wentz. Everyday and twice on Sundays.
After Eastern Washington, Brock’s will to win was off the charts. He had a scowl, he couldn’t be denied. He was going to stomp on your throat, and dance in your end zone. This category is his, hands down. K State, Georgia Southern, end of discussion.
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I thought I'd be in the minority but I'm going with Brock. Dude just refused to lose. Easton is 2nd.
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Previous posters are high as a kite or just plain retarded
2014 National Championship Game. Wentz WAS down by 4 with 1:35 to play in the ACTUAL not hypothetical championship game and lead the Bison down the field and ran in the go ahead TD himself.
End this stupid fucking thread. Not worth the debate.
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Herd
After Eastern Washington, Brock’s will to win was off the charts. He had a scowl, he couldn’t be denied. He was going to stomp on your throat, and dance in your end zone. This category is his, hands down. K State, Georgia Southern, end of discussion.
Except for the fact that Wentz ACTUALLY DID what was asked in the hypothetical question.....so it is Wentz
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Senior years
With 1:45 left on own 20 I like Wentz.
If it was 0:18 left Walker
If it was 8:13 Brock
If it was Easton we’d be up by 4, but woulda been nice to see them play at top 30.
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2011BisonAlumni
Except for the fact that Wentz ACTUALLY DID what was asked in the hypothetical question.....so it is Wentz
It is rather comical isn’t it? God, I love the off-season. :)
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2011BisonAlumni
Previous posters are high as a kite or just plain retarded
2014 National Championship Game. Wentz WAS down by 4 with 1:35 to play in the ACTUAL not hypothetical championship game and lead the Bison down the field and ran in the go ahead TD himself.
End this stupid fucking thread. Not worth the debate.
The DRIVE against Kansas State with him taking it in. Considered the Greatest drive in NDSU history. Or him against GSU sprinting the field with turf toe and the flu and out running everyone.
Brock
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2011BisonAlumni
Except for the fact that Wentz ACTUALLY DID what was asked in the hypothetical question.....so it is Wentz
If not for Urzendowski doing a circus catch on an under thrown ball we wouldnt have been on the 20. Just saying
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56BISON73
If not for Urzendowski doing a circus catch on an under thrown ball we wouldnt have been on the 20. Just saying
No doubt.
But here’s the hypothetical: championship game, down by 4, gotta go 80 yards in less than 2 minutes and you need a receiver to make a big play on an imperfect ball.
Do you take RJ, Ryan Smith, or Shep? :) :)
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Greta Van Herd
No doubt.
But here’s the hypothetical: championship game, down by 4, gotta go 80 yards in less than 2 minutes and you need a receiver to make a big play on an imperfect ball.
Do you take RJ, Ryan Smith, or Shep? :) :)
Vraa. 10 char
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2011BisonAlumni
Previous posters are high as a kite or just plain retarded
2014 National Championship Game. Wentz WAS down by 4 with 1:35 to play in the ACTUAL not hypothetical championship game and lead the Bison down the field and ran in the go ahead TD himself.
End this stupid fucking thread. Not worth the debate.
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2011BisonAlumni
Except for the fact that Wentz ACTUALLY DID what was asked in the hypothetical question.....so it is Wentz
This is confusing. I thought in the first post you used flowery language in declaring the debate over.
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Greta Van Herd
No doubt.
But here’s the hypothetical: championship game, down by 4, gotta go 80 yards in less than 2 minutes and you need a receiver to make a big play on an imperfect ball.
Do you take RJ, Ryan Smith, or Shep? :) :)
RJ for his hands. Vraa would be a go choice also.
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56BISON73
RJ for his hands. Vraa would be a go choice also.
Heckendorf if only 25 seconds left.
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56BISON73
RJ for his hands. Vraa would be a go choice also.
They’re all good choices, great choices in fact, but there’s only one that has actually done it within the hypothetical parameters given, which makes the question end up being so comical. :)
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Herd
Heckendorf if only 25 seconds left.
Loved that catch.
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56BISON73
Loved that catch.
Loved Scottie Miller doing the announcing even better on that play. No call will ever be better.
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56BISON73
The DRIVE against Kansas State with him taking it in. Considered the Greatest drive in NDSU history. Or him against GSU sprinting the field with turf toe and the flu and out running everyone.
Brock
Irrelevant
Again, Wentz ACTUALLY DID what was asked to be debated here ....so.....
It’s like asking if you were down by 1 in Game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals and needed one player in NBA history to take the game winning shot, who would it be and you tried saying Lebron James
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Pretty crazy. Theyve all had their moments. But Ill go with Wentz.
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2011BisonAlumni
Irrelevant
Again, Wentz ACTUALLY DID what was asked to be debated here ....so.....
It’s like asking if you were down by 1 in Game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals and needed one player in NBA history to take the game winning shot, who would it be and you tried saying Lebron James
I pick Brock. Why--because I put it in to context of how they go to the 20 and the endzone. Body of work who consistently was clutch. I pick Brock
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I’m not sure why there’s so much emphasis on what they did in small sample in a very narrow set of circumstances and so little on actual skill.
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Just glad to see all three (four if we include, and should, Walker) actually accomplish something similar during their respective careers.
Walker against SHSU, Cal Poly and Cal Davis (?).
Jensen against GSU (second SF game) and 2013 UNI game. KSU is also important.
Wentz against SDSU in 2014 Playoffs and Illinois State in the Championship Game three games later.
Stick against YSU in 2015, EWU and Iowa in 2016. I don't think Easton recovered physically from that Iowa game 100% until the next season.
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Grab your pitchforks because here comes an unpopular opinion.
Brock is/was a classic case of the QB getting too much credit for the teams success. He peaked somewhere in his Sophomore year and made me nervous everytime he dropped back to pass after that. He was a good game manager and decent QB, but not great. 2012 Indiana St 2 pick 6's we lose 14-17. Mo State 3 picks and at halftime every single person on this board was calling for him to get benched and replaced with Carson. Going into '13 there wasn't a single person anywhere that believed he was the most talented QB on the team, and the percentage of people here who wanted him to be the starter at K-State was far less than 100.
He was involved in a lot of late game heroics, and again he was a good QB and game manager, but had he been a truly great QB some of the heroics likely wouldn't have been needed.
Carson was/is easily twice the QB Brock was, and Easton is somewhere in the middle.
The answer to this hypothetical is simple once you know what you really want. If you want the most talented all around QB who gives you the best chance to win Carson is the only option. If you want the nestolgic game manager who was involved with a lot of end game dramatics you take Brock, and if you want one in the middle who's got recency bias on his side take Easton.
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Not really a question of who, but how
Wanna win a comeback with a big QB run, pick Stick.
Wanna win a comeback with a QB dropping NFL level dimes, pick Wentz.
Wanna win a comeback with a soul grinding drive, pick Jensen.
In this specific example with 1:45 left on our own 20, I'm probably going with Wentz. This situation calls for the NFL arm.
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The choices seem so old. I'd give Trey Lance a shot at it.
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Originally Posted by
2011BisonAlumni
Irrelevant
Again, Wentz ACTUALLY DID what was asked to be debated here ....so.....
It’s like asking if you were down by 1 in Game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals and needed one player in NBA history to take the game winning shot, who would it be and you tried saying Lebron James
You keep posting this like it is some sort of trump card (no politics intended). The drive could have very well ended differently if RJ had not bailed him out on an underthrown pass. More importantly, Wentz was the only one of the 3 to have the opportunity to replicate the scenario. It is not like the other two had the same circumstances and failed.
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I have to say...senior Easton Stick makes it real tough. Man...I just don't know. I guess I'm throwing out that scenario because Brock wouldn't have been in it. They would have taken care of business earlier and iced the game. They would have gotten the first downs to finish it off. Carson's team couldn't get those last 1st downs and gave other teams another opportunity. Brock would have won that season opener vs Montana. My top is Brock, then Easton, and then Carson. Brock was the best leader...got the absolute most out of his team as a whole. Carson's team leaned on him...not sure if that is his fault or the coaches.
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Putting this here for entertainment purposes......and not argument.
Chicago Tribune HS Football Player of the Year, Steve Walker (Lockport, IL) leads his team 96 yards in 1 minute and 40 seconds to win and advance to the state title game in 2002.
He was magical all season and went on to become one of the all-time greats at NDSU.
The drive starts at 4:09 left in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTf3c3tDPJg
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Unfortunately for Carson in this scenario, he's on the sideline with his arm in a sling, his knee in a brace and his thumb in a cast. Being able to stay healthy is a big part of being successful in sports. All things considered I'm taking the guy with three championship rings as starter.
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2011BisonAlumni
Except for the fact that Wentz ACTUALLY DID what was asked in the hypothetical question.....so it is Wentz
I go with Wentz, Jensen close second...the will to win in the KState game, taking the air out of the ball over 8 minutes in front of hostile crowd...hard to pick between the two...Wentz just because it was Natty. The JMU natty game puts Stick in the conversation...just not in the top 2.
Of course I am old...so i could also go with Bentrim and Bison version of the Big Stick.
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IzzyFlexion
Putting this here for entertainment purposes......and not argument.
Chicago Tribune HS Football Player of the Year, Steve Walker (Lockport, IL) leads his team 96 yards in 1 minute and 40 seconds to win and advance to the state title game in 2002.
He was magical all season and went on to become one of the all-time greats at NDSU.
The drive starts at 4:09 left in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTf3c3tDPJg
Around the 1:40 mark... holy cow, they talk about Wentz being a gunslinger in Philadelphia, but, really, he's not... he's more methodical. Walker is the definition of gunslinger.
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89MTBISON
Unfortunately for Carson in this scenario, he's on the sideline with his arm in a sling, his knee in a brace and his thumb in a cast. Being able to stay healthy is a big part of being successful in sports. All things considered I'm taking the guy with three championship rings as starter.
So you are taking the Kobayashi Maru solution to the dilemma? :D
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Vet70
You keep posting this like it is some sort of trump card (no politics intended). The drive could have very well ended differently if RJ had not bailed him out on an underthrown pass. More importantly, Wentz was the only one of the 3 to have the opportunity to replicate the scenario. It is not like the other two had the same circumstances and failed.
UNI comeback drive in the dome. That comeback drive was all Wentz. Deep out laser to Vraa on 4th Down. RJ in the turkey hole for a big chunk. Broken up pass across the middle to fullback Thor that was a dime. Perfect read and touch pass to the corner of the endzone to Shep. Think there was another pass to Vraa across the middle that I missed, but by now you get the picture.
That drive is the trump card. That's the drive that got Wentz picked #2 overall.
You could also argue that Stick failed to pull off a comeback drive against JMU in the semifinal.
Down 4 on their own 20, with 1:45 remaining. Watch Wentz go to work:
http://youtu.be/zUw2MYK31H8?t=8918