A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

If NDSU is going, I see SDSU doing everything they can to go as well. They aren't small-minded.

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I agree and I don't think there'd be huge political pushback from politicos in SD. I think keeping the state of SD competitive in every respect with the state of ND is more important to them than keeping SDSU and USD together.

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

Not to debate with myself, but there is a major flaw with my speculation above. It isn't necessarily true that ML is scrambling to get us into FBS. There's certainly no publicly visible push for it, so to say he's scrambling to get us a seat at the table is probably too optimistic.

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I think ML is trying to get us into the FBS but how much pull does he really have? Harassing them as much as Chapo says he should do isn’t going to get us a FBS invitation. I bet we have been waiting years for an invite and one has just not materialized. Honestly location is probably the biggest reason followed by there being no openings.

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Originally Posted by 1998braves64

It's pretty obvious that a lot of this stuff happens behind closed doors. Look at OU/Texas nobody knew about that until it was essentially public. I agree with PL56 on this take. That all said NDSU still needs to insert ourselves into a situation that benefits NDSU and not just a sideways translation but end up having to pay $$ to get the supposed "glamour" of FBS. I don't know that many of those opportunities have existed since say ~2014 is last time any big name schools made the move (IIRC). Still could be weird things that happen with the Big 12 or even the other P5 conferences. They all say one thing publicly but no doubt there is much going on behind closed doors and phone calls right now.

I just hope if this involves a move to FBS that NDSU does it because of benefits and not to just be able to say we're in the FBS now, feel like there are a couple conferences out there that would basically be all it entails.

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Gotta be patient and wait for the right invite. We cant be desperate and jump up at all costs just to find ourselves in a financial hole just like what UND experienced when they had to settle for the Big Sky. The wrong conference can doom our FB team if the rest of the NDSU teams suck up all of the athletic budget.

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Originally Posted by ndsubison1

Wouldnt shock me if the MWC schools stayed pat. AAC isnt much of a step up now losing Cincy, UCF, Houston. MWC should expand adding NDSU and UTSA.

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The only way Colorado St, Boise St or San Diego St leave is if they get an invite to a P5 Big 12/ PAC-12. Those schools will probably wait to move up and not laterally.

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

Gotta be patient and wait for the right invite. We cant be desperate and jump up at all costs just to find ourselves in a financial hole just like what UND experienced when they had to settle for the Big Sky. The wrong conference can doom our FB team if the rest of the NDSU teams suck up all of the athletic budget.

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lol don't ever compare our budgeting to them FFS.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Texas/OU are NOT NDSU.

NDSU has to be a hard sell, you gotta be soliciting and NDSU hasn't done it. too fucking bashful or prideful is my guess.
the biggest factor is. MATT LARSON is from shitty ass Stony Brook. he feels like he's the luckiest man on earth to take over the car on cruise control.
Dean has been thinking about retiring 5 years now.

there has been zero urgency from these 2.
.that's why NDSU hasn't been solicited & sold!!

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How does that even change my point? I wasn't arguing that NDSU can/is sitting on their hands and would get recruited like OU and Texas perhaps did or didn't. The argument I'm making is because we know nothing publicly and officially doesn't mean nothing is happening, maybe but are you willing to bet your life savings with me on that absolutely nothing is happening? Because with your moaning it sure seems like you're absolutely sure of it. Even those in the know may not know if it's happening. My argument with Texas OU (and even other SEC school officials that knew about it) is they have many more people in the know and demand to be in the know and people use those people as sources. So for it to stay secret until a week before it was made public shows how this is done, even in small time fcs. So yes you're basically making my point that pool of sources is so much smaller how would you ever know that nothing or something is going on?

Look what happened to NDSU going DI-AA the whole thought was we were going into the big sky. Literally had to band together a bunch of independents and a couple misfits and wait for an opening which fortunately came with gateway and midcon. I think officials learned something from that not that many of them are around anymore. Plus don't want to unnecessarily burn bridges with mvfc and summit until we have a 100% direction.

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Originally Posted by 1998braves64

How does that even change my point? I wasn't arguing that NDSU can/is sitting on their hands and would get recruited like OU and Texas perhaps did or didn't. The argument I'm making is because we know nothing publicly and officially doesn't mean nothing is happening, maybe but are you willing to bet your life savings with me on that absolutely nothing is happening? Because with your moaning it sure seems like you're absolutely sure of it. Even those in the know may not know if it's happening. My argument with Texas OU (and even other SEC school officials that knew about it) is they have many more people in the know and demand to be in the know and people use those people as sources. So for it to stay secret until a week before it was made public shows how this is done, even in small time fcs. So yes you're basically making my point that pool of sources is so much smaller how would you ever know that nothing or something is going on?

Look what happened to NDSU going DI-AA the whole thought was we were going into the big sky. Literally had to band together a bunch of independents and a couple misfits and wait for an opening which fortunately came with gateway and midcon. I think officials learned something from that not that many of them are around anymore. Plus don't want to unnecessarily burn bridges with mvfc and summit until we have a 100% direction.

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I think you have very fair points here. I do. It is possible that there's lobbying and negotiating going on behind the scenes. But we've got years of history under this administration showing anywhere from mild resistance to antipathy for going FBS. So it is not an unreasonable extrapolation that this crew is STILL not making an effort, based on the very little being said about FBS from ML, DB, or others. I'm guessing we can find threads from 3 or 4 years ago asking Chapo "how do you know things aren't being done behind the scenes?" At some point, one has to believe their eyes. And we've seen nothing to suggest NDSU is making a push for FBS, or ever has.

Here's how NDSU will get money in FBS though.


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Originally Posted by Professorbum

I think you have very fair points here. I do. It is possible that there's lobbying and negotiating going on behind the scenes. But we've got years of history under this administration showing anywhere from mild resistance to antipathy for going FBS. So it is not an unreasonable extrapolation that this crew is STILL not making an effort, based on the very little being said about FBS from ML, DB, or others. I'm guessing we can find threads from 3 or 4 years ago asking Chapo "how do you know things aren't being done behind the scenes?" At some point, one has to believe their eyes. And we've seen nothing to suggest NDSU is making a push for FBS, or ever has.

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Perhaps, but again we're not OU or Texas. There just isn't going to be that chatter. Obviously Texas was speculated for awhile but nothing overly official.

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

Gotta be patient and wait for the right invite. We cant be desperate and jump up at all costs just to find ourselves in a financial hole just like what UND experienced when they had to settle for the Big Sky. The wrong conference can doom our FB team if the rest of the NDSU teams suck up all of the athletic budget.

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No. This is dumb. We do what it takes to get there. We work out the details later.

This whole "wait for the right time has some jack shit.. we should have been FBS years ago. We go where we get invited and we say thank you very much.

We got some idiots on this board who think we are in a position to bargain.... we aren't... and we never have been.

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

No. This is dumb. We do what it takes to get there. We work out the details later.

This whole "wait for the right time has some jack shit.. we should have been FBS years ago. We go where we get invited and we say thank you very much.

We got some idiots on this board who think we are in a position to bargain.... we aren't... and we never have been.

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No we should wait, maybe the Dalai Lama will let us know when it’s time. Or I can get my witch doctor buddy to read the bones tomorrow to see what the spirits say.

Either would be better than using strategic planning and assertiveness.

/purple

I’m of the idea that waiting for the right time with everything going on would solidify us being absolutely 100% STUCK in the FCS.

we've been. waiting 8 fucking years. like a 42 year old skank from Hoople... going to Hoople Bar every Friday hoping to land that "DREAMY HUSBAND" just waiting & waiting.... but it's Hoople (fcs) and the pickings are slim

Why don't one of you FBS guys get your head out of your ass and
do some research for once. What is our total budget and what is the
average budget for a FBS program. Not only do you have to be invited,
you need the $$$'s to be successful. You can't survive 0n $100
donors like you, Sam.

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Originally Posted by DORMIE

Why don't one of you FBS guys get your head out of your ass and
do some research for once. What is our total budget and what is the
average budget for a FBS program. Not only do you have to be invited,
you need the $$$'s to be successful. You can't survive 0n $100
donors like you, Sam.

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This is a productive post. I bet you are fun at parties.

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

No. This is dumb. We do what it takes to get there. We work out the details later.

This whole "wait for the right time has some jack shit.. we should have been FBS years ago. We go where we get invited and we say thank you very much.

We got some idiots on this board who think we are in a position to bargain.... we aren't... and we never have been.

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That isn't true. I'm not sure where including all of ND TV market places it, but bismarck and fargo combined would be larger than a lot of p5 areas today. Alone they are both in top 150 markets. Then you look at this as captive of a tv market as you could get. The only fbs school in the state with a tv market well into top 100 is marketable and creates some leverage.

For most of the last decade, the Bison have been the darlings of espn. Let's use them. Espn positions itself to be king makers, it is time to leverage this into a move. Where do they want ndsu? The giant killer joins the giants. This needs to be attacked from every angle.

With absolutely nothing more than just showing up and using the extra full scholarships, ndsu is competitive in all g5 conferences. They are competitive day one in a couple of the p5 conferences. In football, at its peak, this has been a top 20 program in all of d1. At its worse, which is pretty much right now, they are still ahead of a lot of p5 programs. Competitiveness adds a little bit of leverage. It strengthens a conference on the first day. If eventual playoff expansion happens, this benefits everyone.

Sure NDSU can't call up and say take us and our billion dollar endowment but then only Texas can say that. Otherwise, there are other benefits NDSU can play on to create a small bidding war between conferences. Maybe that positions the Bison into the best g5 scenario without a tv contract waiting period. To say they have no leverage isn't true either.

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Originally Posted by DORMIE

Why don't one of you FBS guys get your head out of your ass and
do some research for once. What is our total budget and what is the
average budget for a FBS program. Not only do you have to be invited,
you need the $$$'s to be successful. You can't survive 0n $100
donors like you, Sam.

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You can't survive playing juco schools for non con games either. Especially when your so called peers are still getting fbs games. The only positive I see is if ndsu sucks at fcs football for a few years maybe a few fbs games will come back. Should be an easy sell for recruiting.

Come and crush a bunch of nobodies and then get to play sdsu. That's all they got going now.

if we were FBS our TV stream link would already be listed and the gambling sites would have our game listed ALL week instead of 3 hours prior!! GRRRRRRRRRRR

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Originally Posted by DORMIE

Why don't one of you FBS guys get your head out of your ass and
do some research for once. What is our total budget and what is the
average budget for a FBS program. Not only do you have to be invited,
you need the $$$'s to be successful. You can't survive 0n $100
donors like you, Sam.

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our $23 Mill budget would work in Mountain West. You would get an automatic $7 Million in revenue from tv deal, CFP & Big Dance money.
$30 Mil puts us about 5th in mountain west

The budget argument is a weak one in my opinion. What was our budget in DII compared to today?

I'm ready to pay my share for FBS.

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Originally Posted by td577

That isn't true. I'm not sure where including all of ND TV market places it, but bismarck and fargo combined would be larger than a lot of p5 areas today. Alone they are both in top 150 markets. Then you look at this as captive of a tv market as you could get. The only fbs school in the state with a tv market well into top 100 is marketable and creates some leverage.

For most of the last decade, the Bison have been the darlings of espn. Let's use them. Espn positions itself to be king makers, it is time to leverage this into a move. Where do they want ndsu? The giant killer joins the giants. This needs to be attacked from every angle.

With absolutely nothing more than just showing up and using the extra full scholarships, ndsu is competitive in all g5 conferences. They are competitive day one in a couple of the p5 conferences. In football, at its peak, this has been a top 20 program in all of d1. At its worse, which is pretty much right now, they are still ahead of a lot of p5 programs. Competitiveness adds a little bit of leverage. It strengthens a conference on the first day. If eventual playoff expansion happens, this benefits everyone.

Sure NDSU can't call up and say take us and our billion dollar endowment but then only Texas can say that. Otherwise, there are other benefits NDSU can play on to create a small bidding war between conferences. Maybe that positions the Bison into the best g5 scenario without a tv contract waiting period. To say they have no leverage isn't true either.

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http://www.bisonville.com/forum/show...82#post1510782

Researched the Iowa game yesterday, that Bison defense and O-Line played at another level compared to what I've seen the past few years.

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another pud stadium with pud fans and pud broadcast and 35-0

NDSU is 138-11 now. think about that

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Originally Posted by td577

That isn't true. I'm not sure where including all of ND TV market places it, but bismarck and fargo combined would be larger than a lot of p5 areas today. Alone they are both in top 150 markets. Then you look at this as captive of a tv market as you could get. The only fbs school in the state with a tv market well into top 100 is marketable and creates some leverage.

For most of the last decade, the Bison have been the darlings of espn. Let's use them. Espn positions itself to be king makers, it is time to leverage this into a move. Where do they want ndsu? The giant killer joins the giants. This needs to be attacked from every angle.

With absolutely nothing more than just showing up and using the extra full scholarships, ndsu is competitive in all g5 conferences. They are competitive day one in a couple of the p5 conferences. In football, at its peak, this has been a top 20 program in all of d1. At its worse, which is pretty much right now, they are still ahead of a lot of p5 programs. Competitiveness adds a little bit of leverage. It strengthens a conference on the first day. If eventual playoff expansion happens, this benefits everyone.

Sure NDSU can't call up and say take us and our billion dollar endowment but then only Texas can say that. Otherwise, there are other benefits NDSU can play on to create a small bidding war between conferences. Maybe that positions the Bison into the best g5 scenario without a tv contract waiting period. To say they have no leverage isn't true either.

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If NDSU had leverage from being in a top media market wouldn’t our current media contract be worth a ton of $$$$$ already? To say NDSU is comparable at all media market size to P5 teams is honestly laughable. Being a top 150 media market is not impressive…….. A person has to do the math to see if NDSU is worth the 7 million dollar MWC payout? If so we should be seeing a conference invite, conferences do not just hand out money for nothing.

What was our WDAY contract worth?

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Originally Posted by td577

That isn't true. I'm not sure where including all of ND TV market places it, but bismarck and fargo combined would be larger than a lot of p5 areas today.

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This might be a #1 seed in the Bisonville preposterous statement tourney.

You can cherry pick some arbitrary X mile radius between a P5 school and the surrounding population to try to make Fargo/NDSU seem comparable but in reality it's nowhere near any P5 school. Go ahead and name one... I guarantee you I could find a TV market at least 4 times the size of the entire state of ND that is considered the prime market for any P5 school.

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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos

This might be a #1 seed in the Bisonville preposterous statement tourney.

You can cherry pick some arbitrary X mile radius between a P5 school and the surrounding population to try to make Fargo/NDSU seem comparable but in reality it's nowhere near any P5 school. Go ahead and name one... I guarantee you I could find a TV market at least 4 times the size of the entire state of ND that is considered the prime market for any P5 school.

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Fargo is #122 Bismarck #149

combined 500,000 pop.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Fargo is #122 Bismarck #149

combined 500,000 pop.

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You're being very (very!) generous with the metro radius of those two to get to 500k. So tell me what P5 team it's comparable with??? I'm not trying to say NDSU isn't comparable with a lot of G5 schools (because it is) but to make the case that NDSU is a P5 level TV market, no matter what the radius, is just ludicrous.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Fargo is #122 Bismarck #149

combined 500,000 pop.

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A simple search shows 2021 number

FARGO - 262,440 households; #114
Minot-Bismarck-Dickinson-Williston - 171,030; #141

Combine them and they would be - 433,470 which would put it at #74

#113 Eugene OR
#115 Lansing MI

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...aGPYI5rQ-Nlwi7

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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos

You're being very (very!) generous with the metro radius of those two to get to 500k. So tell me what P5 team it's comparable with??? I'm not trying to say NDSU isn't comparable with a lot of G5 schools (because it is) but to make the case that NDSU is a P5 level TV market, no matter what the radius, is just ludicrous.

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Lakes has never fabricated any numbers in his life. How dare you have the audacity to question this

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Originally Posted by tjbison

A simple search shows 2021 number

FARGO - 262,440 households; #114
Minot-Bismarck-Dickinson-Williston - 171,030; #141

Combine them and they would be - 433,470 which would put it at #74

#113 Eugene OR
#115 Lansing MI

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...aGPYI5rQ-Nlwi7

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You know those ratings systems are flawed. They don’t take into account houses with two television sets and other things of that nature.

https://youtu.be/ZP0mhGmUbr0

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Originally Posted by tjbison

A simple search shows 2021 number

FARGO - 262,440 households; #114
Minot-Bismarck-Dickinson-Williston - 171,030; #141

Combine them and they would be - 433,470 which would put it at #74

#113 Eugene OR
#115 Lansing MI

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...aGPYI5rQ-Nlwi7

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Cool. Now do the difference in living alumni.


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Originally Posted by GreenfieldBison

Cool. Now do the difference in living alumni.


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only putting that out there for the facts per the 2021 ratings.....not arguing ND is some major eyeball attraction, relax merlin

Fact is though, many perceive FBS teams are all located in these tropical, perfect meccas that everyone wants to live in...TRUTH is they are not, many are in Shitholes that make Fargo look good.

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Originally Posted by I miss Chubs

You know those ratings systems are flawed. They don’t take into account houses with two television sets and other things of that nature.

https://youtu.be/ZP0mhGmUbr0

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purley putting the FACTS out, Lakes insisted 500K..obviously no polling is accurate, but it is an "official" rank

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Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10

Lakes has never fabricated any numbers in his life. How dare you have the audacity to question this

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LOL..love it

25 people at a party, lakes on text...theres 2500 people here guys...PUMP IT UP!!!

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Originally Posted by tjbison

LOL..love it

25 people at a party, lakes on text...theres 2500 people here guys...PUMP IT UP!!!

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you puds. DMA pop's in TV lingo is different, you wont understand.

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Originally Posted by tjbison

A simple search shows 2021 number

FARGO - 262,440 households; #114
Minot-Bismarck-Dickinson-Williston - 171,030; #141

Combine them and they would be - 433,470 which would put it at #74

#113 Eugene OR
#115 Lansing MI

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...aGPYI5rQ-Nlwi7

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You are literally comparing the Fargo media market against Michigan and Oregon!!!!! Lmao

Michigan and Oregon fans are all over those states as they are the top team and that doesn’t even talk about their fanbases across the country.

Ludicrous comparison!

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

You are literally comparing the Fargo media market against Michigan and Oregon!!!!! Lmao

Michigan and Oregon fans are all over those states as they are the top team and that doesn’t even talk about their fanbases across the country.

Ludicrous comparison!

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Where did I say this??? Not once did I compare, just put the numbers up from The link I provided. Try again

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Originally Posted by tjbison

only putting that out there for the facts per the 2021 ratings.....not arguing ND is some major eyeball attraction, relax merlin

Fact is though, many perceive FBS teams are all located in these tropical, perfect meccas that everyone wants to live in...TRUTH is they are not, many are in Shitholes that make Fargo look good.

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Maybe I’m confused…… why hasn’t a FBS conference sent us an invite already if we have such a lucrative media market?????? Why are our current media deals not worth millions every year? If NDSU was a slam dunk we would already be FBS so what is really holding us back?!?!?! Administration is not an excuse….

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

Maybe I’m confused…… why hasn’t a FBS conference sent us an invite already if we have such a lucrative media market?????? Why are our current media deals not worth millions every year? If NDSU was a slam dunk we would already be FBS so what is really holding us back?!?!?! Administration is not an excuse….

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Got shut up in the other thread so you come over here to start spouting disinformation? NDSU’s current media rights deal is worth $22M over 10 years. I trust you can rub enough brain cells together to do the math. As impressive as this is, it would still go up significantly if NDSU were to go to the FBS.

Next straw man argument…?