MWC 9-0 with 3 decisive Non Conf wins with 2 of them being Ranked or top of thier conf standings is how a MWC team gets a new year's bowl or Last 4 playoff
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MWC 9-0 with 3 decisive Non Conf wins with 2 of them being Ranked or top of thier conf standings is how a MWC team gets a new year's bowl or Last 4 playoff
C'mon man, that's lame and you know itQuote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
You can do better, no? Give me real, thought-out reasons
Maybe in 20 years it goes to 4 power conferences of 16 teams but I see no evidence of such a trend right now. Appears to be the opposite in fact
I usually don't dip into this thread but...
I think the "FCS is watered down" argument is pretty terrible because there is no comparison to the D2 situation. It's not like UMary and Minot State are joining the FCS. Regionally, the FCS schools are NDSU's peers.
Besides, we want to go to a division that we can compete in - a better argument would be that the FBS is getting watered down to the point that NDSU can step in and compete if we find the right conference.
The pre-NDSU power teams (Montana, App State, Marshall, Youngstown, Georgia Southern):
Before NDSU joined:
App State's only FBS wins were against Wake Forest - fun fact: somehow Wake Forest is considered P5 - they haven't beaten a top 10 FBS school since 1946.
Georgia Southern didn't beat any FBS teams
Montana's only FBS wins came against Cal State Fullerton, Idaho, and Oregon State (1996 when Oregon State was terrible)
Youngstown State had a bunch of FBS wins - all against MAC teams until they stopped scheduling them.
Marshall had 2 FBS wins, both against MAC teams
If you ignore App State's wins against Wake Forest, that is ONE P5 win from the lot of of them in the 25 seasons before NDSU joined the FCS. Kind of seems like maybe the gap between the P5 and top teams in the FCS has been shrinking.
If you really think about it, it is a terrible idea to dump on the FCS while NDSU is still in it.
You are right getting a conference invite is more than how the countryside looks or how good your football team is …….. there are many factors to consider whether NDSU would be a good addition to the MWC. How does NDSU compare academically to the other MWC members? If we base everything on football for conference membership then it’s no brainer, but there is more to the MEC than football!Quote:
Originally Posted by tjbison
Nevermind, reread your post and realized my timing was off.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony
Unless I'm misreading something, I think you kind of made the argument (with your FCS vs. FBS tally) that NDSU doesn't belong in the FCS and should get out pronto. NDSU is FBS caliber and has been for some time. As far as dumping on the FCS while we are in it...truth is truth. Plus, this is the only way we can get the admin and some pro-FCS'ers to consider changing their thinking on the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony
I think jump from FCS to G5 type teams is way less than DII had become to FCS or DI-AA it was at time. I still think a lot of FBS G5 teams are kidding themselves as to what they really are. I think NDSU has proven that. Montana, App State (at the time) and even SDSU to a point have shown they can "play with" the big P5 boys may not all cases win (except in NDSU's case).
It'll be interesting with this realignment with OU/Texas and the ACC and possibly MW what will become of it. Will P5 truly ever break off I think that idea has simmered a bit than it previously was thought. Going G5 conference though we'd as a fanbase have to relish the fact that we'd be playing in some fairly pointless bowls. That said though could be an interesting game or two every year. But I don't think I'd ever feel in a bowl game that I did with SHSU #1, ISU-r, JMU games, GSU semifinals. That's what makes it "fun" although at time I probably wouldn't have called it fun for me. If it was a big name school and was Boise State-OU type game then yeah probably. But I don't ever get "riled" up for a semi meaningless football game (regular season or a bowl game) like I did/do for the numerous playoff games and national championship games anymore. Call it meaningless game fatigue!
I'm not really sure where NDSU fits in any FBS conference picture to me it would make a lot of regular season games even less meaningful to me than the MVFC teams and OCC teams we've played. Might lend to some more interesting road trips but those probably aren't happening for me until year 2031 at this point in my kids lives. If it happens I absolutely feel we need a "partner" team that we have some history with, SDSU, UMt type.
I am not against it but everyone here is a pretty small percentage of the bison fans, and rabid ones at that too so we all want the higher competition, and Matt/Dean (or more accurately Dean's replacement now) will have to consider. I'm still waiting for a proposal that really make sense and hopefully that comes out here within the next year or two.
something I will agree with you on, never said it was only about football.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
I was in Cincinnati for the Bengals game and decided to check out their top 10 NCAA team and came away with a few thoughts.
1. They aren't in the B12 for a couple years, but they are already actively promoting being B12 with no mention of the American. They had a video mid game about it and brought the entire board of reagents onto the field for recognition. They were flying flags in the middle of the field with the Cincinnati and B12 logos on it. They see this as a huuuge win and view the B12 as a P5 still...which is funny, because they still have a few "P6" signs around the stadium.
2. They wound up beating Murray State 42-7, but they were thoroughly underwhelming. There is no doubt in my mind NDSU and SDSU could compete with them and teams like them.
3. Desmond Ridder is billed as a heisman candidate and possible 1st round qb...and he was utterly ordinary all day. Missed plenty of throws, was very conservative all 1st half, and didn't display a great arm.
4. Outdoor college stadiums are so much better than indoor. The dome is definitely louder, but the atmosphere is so much better outdoors.
5. It still blows me away that NDSU doesn't sell beer. Cincinnati had twice the fans and no issues with it.
6. Student section was great. Crazy energetic, lots of "Defend the Nip" shirts, and great signs; with my favorite being "Big Fick energy"
7. Curious where the American turns to replenish their numbers. If they pull from the MAC, I would think NDSU and SDSU would hold some appeal to the MAC.
8. If you get a chance to go watch other college teams, you should. I've seen top 10 Cincy, top 5 TCU, and top 5 Baylor play at home and each was cool. Nebraska, MN, and Texas have all been cool in their own ways too
So is NDSU gonna do this FBS shit or not?!
Psh! And miss out on signing home and homes with teams that have some shitty media deal with a streaming service no one has any interest inQuote:
Originally Posted by 23Bison
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and teams that just up and say. FUCK IT I QUIT!!Quote:
Originally Posted by oldmantutters
and teams that SUBSIDIZE off of NDSU via Tickets etc?
we are wheres, fcs teams are using NDSU and our fame.
let's get the FUCK INTO THE MWC, AAC, sunbelt at this point, F it maybe even the MAC
Let's get in those and RECRUIT the top 5 kids from UNI,SDSU, usd und and hit up some higher level minnesota/Wisconsin kids and LETS GO GET TO A BOWL IN A WARM LOCALE EVERY DECEMBER instead of brown grass cold Frisco Texas on a fucking soccer field
The “meaningless bowl game” argument is such a sneaky straw man setup. If we stay FCS, we get to play for championships. If we move up to FBS we now have to automatically assume we are worse and go 7-5 every year? As has been noted for almost a decade now, the MAC and MW are slight steps up from the MVFC. And increase in level of play is probably less than the benefits we see from increased recruiting and additional scholarships. The argument just doesn’t make sense to me.
The other thing that I don’t think gets talked about enough is this: I think a reason you see a disproportionate chunk of the younger generation wanting to move up is because we aren’t thinking about just the next 5 years. We didn’t move to FCS because we’d have the ability to compete day one (although we did). It was supposed to be a long term investment to put us with schools that better fit our size, mission, athletic and academic commitment. At this point, NDSU has outgrown FCS and it’s very obvious.
We are the major land grand institution, with at this point the highest endowment, in a state flush with cash. We are high-research, have high quality academics and a ton of alumni involvement. Let’s start acting like it and see where FBS takes us.
Are we really a major land grant? I guess I'm asking what makes someone a major land grant?Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
When I look at the map there are some historically black and native schools on there, but when I look over the other schools, there is a ton of big P5 schools.
In the context of my post, I was saying that we are THE major land grand institution in the state.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
In the context of all the land grant institutions I consider those falling under the classification of the 1862 Morrill Act to be major. More or less, each state got to choose one institution for this classification. For instance, there are 5 other land grant institutions in North Dakota. NDSU would be the only one I consider major and the only one falling under the original Morrill Act designation.
James madison to sunbelt
dammit!!! This sucks
why hasn't the sun belt offered ndsu lakes?Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
get on the phone
Other than one tweet, I haven’t seen anyone else say that this is happening.
Lakes has the texts bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by 23Bison
they juicy... Appy St Coastal, Geo Southern ODU & now JMU goes FBS b4 NDSU. PATHETICQuote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
This ^Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Mountain West: Nevada, San Diego State, Fresno, San Jose, Hawaii, UNLV, Utah State, Wyoming, New Mexico, Air Force, Colorado State.
What would be the worst home or road game every other year. Would it be UNLV who happens to play in Allegiant Stadium and is in Las Vegas? (and we have direct flights out of Fargo) or any of the 3 California Schools? Maybe Hawaii. Road trips through the mountains.
Nobody would rather see Misery State, Western Illinois, South Dakota, and Indiana State every 2 years instead of...
Air Force, Colorado State, San Diego State, and Wyoming.
It's not even close. So we lose the playoffs. The first 2 playoff games have been cupcake teams and fans aren't even selling them out unless it's vs a good team.
Mountain West Championship Game is in Arlington Texas
Bowl GAME
Let's do it.
I really hope something happens. I would really hate to see NDSU left in the dust during this session of realignment.
You and me both sister.Quote:
Originally Posted by marenlee
Works for me now convince ADML and admin to show the leg.
It would really suck and I can’t begin to explain how much it would suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by marenlee
–*Famous Idaho Potato Bowl*vs. MAC
–* LA*Bowl*vs. Pac-12
–*New Mexico Bowl*vs. Conference USA
–*Offerpad Arizona Bowl*vs. MAC
–*SoFi Hawai’i Bowl*vs. American Athletic
ALL OF THOSE WARMER & BETTER THAN FRISCO.
hell even Potato Bowl is fun because 20,000 Boise St fans come and party with the teams
Stop it Chapo. You're not helping. Toilet bowls aren't exciting about moving up. I'm sure almost all hope a move up would also involve bringing a true national championship tournament to the G5 level.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
If JMU is gone...to me winning the FCS title is on the same level of whatever shitty bowl you want to mention. The FCS is a trash heap and we need to leave it behind.
All that will be left resembling anything of respectable program will be the Montanas and SDSU (still doesn't get great fan support). We will die a slow death staying at the 3rd tier of college football. Flame away if you want, but I would open my check book more if NDSU announced they were moving up. And I'm not even an alum.
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Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Frisco is awesome but I think beating a Pac 12 team in the Rams stadium would be cool AF.
I can’t believe this is even a discussion as to who we would you rather play and where those teams are. Obviously the MWC school are way more attractive than who we play in the Valley.
We need to find a way to make this happen. Just tell me my share.
You think they would go 14 schools. NDSU would make 12. It would be nice for the division NDSU would be in because Hawaii road game would only be every 4 years with 14 schools. An 8 game conference schedule would only have one crossover game a year. The Bison could also be back on the b10 ooc schedules.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
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I'm really starting to believe the slow death part. I truly believe we will see support and attendance wane over the next 5 years if even one of the other top tier FCS schools goes FBS in the next 1-2 years and NDSU doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by marenlee
I don't think it would AS bad if no FCS teams move up but it will still cause a slow drop in interest or passion over a short time.
I think about the last 3-4 years, not counting the spring, and how many people in my section sell their seats to essentially every single home game.
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I’m willing to use my small business to help fund an FBS move!!! Just let me warm up the checkbook quick.
Gawd I hate the FCS (DII). It sure as fuck isn't the old DI-AA. I don't donate much, but like others have said, I would donate a lot more if we move up. I think a lot of people would donate until it hurts.
We also heard that if we had more tickets people would snap them up. But 3-4 years ago they opened up a section and had a hard time selling them. Why? BecauseQuote:
Originally Posted by runtheoption
the so called super fans who had been crying for tickets didnt want to pay what it cost to sit there.
There is always a lot of big talk until it comes time to pay the bill.
And how hard is it to sell tickets throughout the entire stadium now? It's getting worse every year lolQuote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
I'm sure that is true. But it's also true that things have gotten stale and from what I understand, prices have gone up pretty steeply?Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Tough to justify paying money to watch NDSU kick people's teeth in every week when the perception is that these teams don't belong on the same field as NDSU.
A lot has happened over the last two years. Its had a great impact. Nothing goes up forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92