2021 Verbal: Cole Payton

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Originally Posted by GreenfieldBison

Got a feeling we’ll get to eyeball some Cole Payton somewhere around the 50:00 minute mark in this Saturday’s game or thereabouts if history repeats itself.

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I hope your are right for the right reasons.

I just came here to laugh at bison report basically taking chapos post from this thread and taking about how dumb it was on the miss st. Recap. Lol

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Originally Posted by GreenfieldBison

Got a feeling we’ll get to eyeball some Cole Payton somewhere around the 50:00 minute mark in this Saturday’s game or thereabouts if history repeats itself.


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Seeing him hand off a bunch to end the game won't do much for me.

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Originally Posted by Twincitybizon

I just came here to laugh at bison report basically taking chapos post from this thread and taking about how dumb it was on the miss st. Recap. Lol

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this one? prove me wrong russ

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as I wake up today I pondered my analysis I went to bed with

as runners/scramblers
1- Quincy
1A- Cole
2- Cam

passer:
1- Cole
2- Cam
3 - Quincy

when you do this math, Cole would be a better option:

All 3 Run about the same, so let's find the BEST passer that can also run, right?

Cole should start

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

this one? prove me wrong russ

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as I wake up today I pondered my analysis I went to bed with

as runners/scramblers
1- Quincy
1A- Cole
2- Cam

passer:
1- Cole
2- Cam
3 - Quincy

when you do this math, Cole would be a better option:

All 3 Run about the same, so let's find the BEST passer that can also run, right?

Cole should start

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Should knowledge of the playbook be used in your analysis?

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Originally Posted by Mr Meaty

Should knowledge of the playbook be used in your analysis?

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Playbook.... pffft, calve size first.

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Originally Posted by Mr Meaty

Should knowledge of the playbook be used in your analysis?

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The word “analysis” takes offense to this post.

If 30K-50K fans can see that QP is not the right QB for the job, I’ll go with what they see, and what I see. We have a ton of talent on O that is going underutilized. It’s just common sense.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

this one? prove me wrong russ

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as I wake up today I pondered my analysis I went to bed with

as runners/scramblers
1- Quincy
1A- Cole
2- Cam

passer:
1- Cole
2- Cam
3 - Quincy

when you do this math, Cole would be a better option:

All 3 Run about the same, so let's find the BEST passer that can also run, right?

Cole should start

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Feel free to expand on where you have seen Cole Payton perform to any of those activities in a game situation to place him higher than either one of the other two QBs. There is virtually no chance of seeing him start any game this year or relieve one of those two unless QP and Miller are both hurt. Sure, he might see some garbage time somewhere in the fourth, but only to basically hand the ball off or possibly a short pass against the other teams backups. If QP does get pulled or benched, we are going to see Miller in there. Payton just might be the next superstar QB for us, just not this year.

I will not stand for this Cole Payton slander!

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Originally Posted by 1st&TennBison

Feel free to expand on where you have seen Cole Payton perform to any of those activities in a game situation to place him higher than either one of the other two QBs. There is virtually no chance of seeing him start any game this year or relieve one of those two unless QP and Miller are both hurt. Sure, he might see some garbage time somewhere in the fourth, but only to basically hand the ball off or possibly a short pass against the other teams backups. If QP does get pulled or benched, we are going to see Miller in there. Payton just might be the next superstar QB for us, just not this year.

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This^^. You won’t get a substantive response tho. My position: Cole is gonna be solid, and don’t use his 4 games unless we have to. He will be serviceable this year if and when we need to use him. We have had situations in the past where we had to go deep into QB depth chart (Notorious), so let’s leave Cole alone for now.

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

This^^. You won’t get a substantive response tho. My position: Cole is gonna be solid, and don’t use his 4 games unless we have to. He will be serviceable this year if and when we need to use him. We have had situations in the past where we had to go deep into QB depth chart (Notorious), so let’s leave Cole alone for now.

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If he truly was the best option though, I’d 100% play him now.

1.) there is a significant loss of talent after this year
2.) in today’s age (transfer rules), I think the chance of a redshirt plus 4 year starter stint will no longer happen for a “stud QB” (assuming he is good as a starter)

I think you play the best players you have now. I get that goes against the grain of what NDSU has done as a “development program”….but the game is changing.

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Originally Posted by 2011BisonAlumni

If he truly was the best option though, I’d 100% play him now.

1.) there is a significant loss of talent after this year
2.) in today’s age (transfer rules), I think the chance of a redshirt plus 4 year starter stint will no longer happen for a “stud QB” (assuming he is good as a starter)

I think you play the best players you have now. I get that goes against the grain of what NDSU has done as a “development program”….but the game is changing.

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I have to, reluctantly, agree with the “game is changing” comment, but that’s also a good reason to make a QB switch anytime anywhere then.

But, we have no metrics to judge whether Cole is the best QB right now. We do, however, have enough of those to know that Cam is the better choice, right now.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

this one? prove me wrong russ

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as I wake up today I pondered my analysis I went to bed with

as runners/scramblers
1- Quincy
1A- Cole
2- Cam

passer:
1- Cole
2- Cam
3 - Quincy

when you do this math, Cole would be a better option:

All 3 Run about the same, so let's find the BEST passer that can also run, right?

Cole should start

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https://i.imgur.com/D04kX7b.jpg

Cam is technically a redshirt freshman this year correct so Cole sits until he is a senior??

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Originally Posted by Grizzled

Cam is technically a redshirt freshman this year correct so Cole sits until he is a senior??

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In theory and reality, he doesn’t sit til SR if he is better, but in this day and age, and with this staff, he may. Hugs!

Last spring with Cam I heard on Bison 1660 that we never start true freshman, but in reality with all of the practices we had in the fall it was almost like he was already a redshirt freshman last spring as he didn't start right away in the spring. So in essence he had a good chunk of the fall and basically like spring practices by the time he actually started. So I personally counted him as a redshirt freshman last year and this year is kind like a sophomore season.

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

I have to, reluctantly, agree with the “game is changing” comment, but that’s also a good reason to make a QB switch anytime anywhere then.

But, we have no metrics to judge whether Cole is the best QB right now. We do, however, have enough of those to know that Cam is the better choice, right now.

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Right we don’t have any metrics to show that . I think the best player plays mentally is the way to go.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY COLE!!!!!

Ec8ch & Kevin were in charge of your present...

Hopefully your grandma got you one.
(inside joke)

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

HAPPY BIRTHDAY COLE!!!!!

Ec8ch & Kevin were in charge of your present...

Hopefully your grandma got you one.
(inside joke)

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Not really sure that is a joke. There is no doubt in my mind that you’d do whatever it took to form a relationship with Cole’s grandma.

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Originally Posted by 2011BisonAlumni

Not really sure that is a joke. There is no doubt in my mind that you’d do whatever it took to form a relationship with Cole’s grandma.

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Zach Vraas Grandma was the original O.G. At the Joe Sensers Watch parties in the cities she was always rockin.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

HAPPY BIRTHDAY COLE!!!!!

Ec8ch & Kevin were in charge of your present...

Hopefully your grandma got you one.
(inside joke)

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I was going to get him some tube socks, but I couldn't find any in calf size... frucking huge!

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Originally Posted by EC8CH

I was going to get him some tube socks, but I couldn't find any in calf size... frucking huge!

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I thought we were talking about Beth still for a second there.

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Originally Posted by 1st&TennBison

Feel free to expand on where you have seen Cole Payton perform to any of those activities in a game situation to place him higher than either one of the other two QBs. There is virtually no chance of seeing him start any game this year or relieve one of those two unless QP and Miller are both hurt. Sure, he might see some garbage time somewhere in the fourth, but only to basically hand the ball off or possibly a short pass against the other teams backups. If QP does get pulled or benched, we are going to see Miller in there. Payton just might be the next superstar QB for us, just not this year.

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This is all we do anyways!

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Zach Vraas Grandma was the original O.G. At the Joe Sensers Watch parties in the cities she was always rockin.

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Well, Zach's cousin brought me about 4 beers on Tuesday. He's a bartender here in Colorado, so I guess that's his job. So there. :frog:

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Originally Posted by EC8CH

See my profile pic

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Nice photo.


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Yaaay Cole got garbage time against a garbage team.

Boooo kind of obvious why he is number 3,freshman game management causes us to have to burn a TO, not sure he can hit the short throws any better than QP. That Duck to Yohnke was U-G-L-Y. He under threw Mathis, how the hell do you under throw Mathis? Sure the TD run looks cute, but on replay the Tree OLB completely blew his assignment. His grandma even with her artificial hip could have waddled fast enough for that td.

Kids got work to do.. no sense in burning his redshirt unless QP is out for awhile should make the QB competition fun next August.

But he does have nice calves.

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Originally Posted by Bisonbythelake

Yaaay Cole got garbage time against a garbage team.

Boooo kind of obvious why he is number 3,freshman game management causes us to have to burn a TO, not sure he can hit the short throws any better than QP. That Duck to Yohnke was U-G-L-Y. He under threw Mathis, how the hell do you under throw Mathis? Sure the TD run looks cute, but on replay the Tree OLB completely blew his assignment. His grandma even with her artificial hip could have waddled fast enough for that td.

Kids got work to do.. no sense in burning his redshirt unless QP is out for awhile should make the QB competition fun next August.

But he does have nice calves.

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He looked a little rough. Not quite nfl ready I guess

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Originally Posted by Bisonbythelake

Yaaay Cole got garbage time against a garbage team.

Boooo kind of obvious why he is number 3,freshman game management causes us to have to burn a TO, not sure he can hit the short throws any better than QP. That Duck to Yohnke was U-G-L-Y. He under threw Mathis, how the hell do you under throw Mathis? Sure the TD run looks cute, but on replay the Tree OLB completely blew his assignment. His grandma even with her artificial hip could have waddled fast enough for that td.

Kids got work to do.. no sense in burning his redshirt unless QP is out for awhile should make the QB competition fun next August.

But he does have nice calves.

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Spot on!!!

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Originally Posted by Bisonbythelake

Yaaay Cole got garbage time against a garbage team.

Boooo kind of obvious why he is number 3,freshman game management causes us to have to burn a TO, not sure he can hit the short throws any better than QP. That Duck to Yohnke was U-G-L-Y. He under threw Mathis, how the hell do you under throw Mathis? Sure the TD run looks cute, but on replay the Tree OLB completely blew his assignment. His grandma even with her artificial hip could have waddled fast enough for that td.

Kids got work to do.. no sense in burning his redshirt unless QP is out for awhile should make the QB competition fun next August.

But he does have nice calves.

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Disagree with all of this, except the last part.

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Originally Posted by Bisonbythelake

Yaaay Cole got garbage time against a garbage team.

Boooo kind of obvious why he is number 3,freshman game management causes us to have to burn a TO, not sure he can hit the short throws any better than QP. That Duck to Yohnke was U-G-L-Y. He under threw Mathis, how the hell do you under throw Mathis? Sure the TD run looks cute, but on replay the Tree OLB completely blew his assignment. His grandma even with her artificial hip could have waddled fast enough for that td.

Kids got work to do.. no sense in burning his redshirt unless QP is out for awhile should make the QB competition fun next August.

But he does have nice calves.

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You are such an ass. These are college kids, most 18-20. Give me a f’ing break. Go watch and follow the Fhawkers, please!

kinda hard to concentrate up 37-0

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Originally Posted by BisonNeil

You are such an ass. These are college kids, most 18-20. Give me a f’ing break. Go watch and follow the Fhawkers, please!

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Lol It’s Bisonville Bitch he’s on scholly and those calves alone are NIL worthy

getting in here early and watching Cole is something... dude has ZIP dude has TOUCH

the other 2 qbs just state at him

it's a thing of beauty

getting in here early and watching Cole is something... dude has ZIP dude has TOUCH

the other 2 qbs just state at him

it's a thing of beauty

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

getting in here early and watching Cole is something... dude has ZIP dude has TOUCH

the other 2 qbs just state at him

it's a thing of beauty

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... and everyone clapped.

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No doubt Cole will be great, but he is behind a really good starting QB, who keeps getting better every game.

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Originally Posted by Jim Puetz

No doubt Cole will be great, but he is behind a really good starting QB, who keeps getting better every game.

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Yeah, I am definitely getting comfortable with Cam. He's turned the corner in a remarkable way. He's strung several impressive games together.

well next fall will be interesting let's just say that.
none of you guys were there early today and say the FLY patterns that they throw at the end?

Coles were Steve Young like...

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

well next fall will be interesting let's just say that.
none of you guys were there early today and say the FLY patterns that they throw at the end?

Coles were Steve Young like...

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Dont disagree, but it was the same when Wentz was young. The ball just exploded out of his hand. But an effective, improving, winning QB is not something to mess with. Cam gets better each game.

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Originally Posted by Bison Bridge Guy

Dont disagree, but it was the same when Wentz was young. The ball just exploded out of his hand. But an effective, improving, winning QB is not something to mess with. Cam gets better each game.

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I like Cam feeling those big calves at his heels. Will keep him on his toes.