GDT: NDSU vs. Western Illinois

I don't think the Brooks bow was that big of a deal. But, I can understand why there was a flag. I would have also understood if there was no flag. I guess the point is don't do things that are questionable unless you are willing to accept the penalty.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

There is a correlation. Both sports are dangerous but thats it and has nothing to do with the point at hand.

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That’s what my point was and is, and also wasn’t just in reference to Brooks’ penalty but also the complaints from others taking offense to other players on the team showing any type of emotion since Klieman took over. I gave a reason why they show emotion and how come we don’t need to villianize them for it.

I’m sure glad nobody here lost their crap when Brock Jensen showed emotion pretty much every time scored a touchdown with either the double-check gesture or his personal salute to the crowd because that was fun to watch.


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I hope next week when Easton scores a TD, he will poop out the football like Randy Moss. That GDT will be HOF worthy.

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Originally Posted by Christopher Moen

That’s what my point was and is, and also wasn’t just in reference to Brooks’ penalty but also the complaints from others taking offense to other players on the team showing any type of emotion since Klieman took over. I gave a reason why they show emotion and how come we don’t need to villianize them for it.

I’m sure glad nobody here lost their crap when Brock Jensen showed emotion pretty much every time scored a touchdown with either the double-check gesture or his personal salute to the crowd because that was fun to watch.


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JFC nobody said they cant show emotion. It is and always has been about stupid and excessive celebrations. I dont see whats so hard to understand about that.

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Originally Posted by wisco4

Comparing scoring a touchdown in a college football game to riding a bull at a rodeo.

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How many sports are out there where your physical (and sometimes mental) well-being is going to be negatively affected when participating at a high-level as much as it happens in football? That’s the comparison between the two.

Hopefully, this helps you understand my point of why we don’t need to be so vitriol towards those that show emotions in those sports. Let them have their cake.


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Normally on away games do the players give all the fans a high five after the game before they enter the tunnel? Anybody know when that tradition started? (Can we come up with a name for it?) I dont recall seeing other teams do every game like our players do.

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Originally Posted by Vet70

I think that would be a little harsh. He made a mistake, but from what they showed after the play with Coach I am sure he got the message.

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Totally agree. The "after the play" with Coach K said alot.

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Originally Posted by blackdiamond2

Normally on away games do the players give all the fans a high five after the game before they enter the tunnel? Anybody know when that tradition started? (Can we come up with a name for it?) I dont recall seeing other teams do every game like our players do.

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How about "A High Five"?

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Originally Posted by blackdiamond2

Normally on away games do the players give all the fans a high five after the game before they enter the tunnel? Anybody know when that tradition started? (Can we come up with a name for it?) I dont recall seeing other teams do every game like our players do.

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I can't recall exactly when this started, but just in the past two or three years. There was a tunnel? I thought it was just a long stretch of unlit sidewalk!

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Originally Posted by Christopher Moen

How many sports are out there where your physical (and sometimes mental) well-being is going to be negatively affected when participating at a high-level as much as it happens in football? That’s the comparison between the two.

Hopefully, this helps you understand my point of why we don’t need to be so vitriol towards those that show emotions in those sports. Let them have their cake.


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Lance Dunn did a little dance after his TD, flipped the ball to the official, and ran off the field. He showed emotion, there was no flag, and there was no discussion postgame about it (until this). Brooks running all the way over to the other side of the endzone is what drew the flag. That's why it was dumb. If he does the exact same thing right after scoring he's not flagged and it's not even a discussion point.

Let me and this for you all painlessly. There are a few things in the rule book that are automatic unsportsmanlike conduct. Bowing after a play is one of them. It had nothing to do with where he did it and who he did it to. If he had gone into the bench area where no official would be watching.

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Originally Posted by IndyBison

Let me and this for you all painlessly. There are a few things in the rule book that are automatic unsportsmanlike conduct. Bowing after a play is one of them. It had nothing to do with where he did it and who he did it to. If he had gone into the bench area where no official would be watching.

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If it's in the rule book, that's fine but I have yet to hear why that's somehow detrimental to the game.

That's just silly.

You guys should watch 8 seconds. It will all make sense.

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Originally Posted by tony

The offense needs some fire.

Cripes, watching the first half it was hard to tell which team's OL was all first year players. Stick has been getting crushed back there three games in a row.

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And we still crushed them.

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Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life

If it's in the rule book, that's fine but I have yet to hear why that's somehow detrimental to the game.

That's just silly.

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I assume it's just to prevent all the excess stuff you see in the NFL. The term we often here is to allow "spontaneous immediate acts of exhuberance by teenagers". I know many players are in their 20s, but you get the idea. High fives, chest bumps, etc. are fine. Quick actions that are borderline are often talk tos (i.e. a quick first down signal when they stand up is warned the first time but flagged if done multiple times or extended). Running to the other side of the end zone to do it only drew more attention to it.

Here is the exact wording of the rule (9-2-1a). (h) is the one that applies here. I guess if he does it after a bad play it's OK? :)

Specifically prohibited acts and conduct include:
1. No player, substitute, coach or other person subject to the rules shall use abusive, threatening or obscene language or gestures, or engage in such acts that provoke ill will or are demeaning to an opponent, to game officials or to the image of the game, including but not limited to:
(a) Pointing the finger(s), hand(s), arm(s) or ball at an opponent, or imitating the slashing of the throat.
(b) Taunting, baiting or ridiculing an opponent verbally.
(c) Inciting an opponent or spectators in any other way, such as simulating the firing of a weapon or placing a hand by the ear to request recognition.
(d) Any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by which a player (or players) attempts to focus attention upon himself (or themselves).
(e) An unopposed ball carrier obviously altering stride as he approaches the opponent’s goal line or diving into the end zone.
(f ) A player removing his helmet after the ball is dead and before he is in the team area (Exceptions: Team, media or injury timeouts; equipment adjustment; through play; between periods; and during a measurement for a first down).
(g) Punching one’s own chest or crossing one’s arms in front of the chest while standing over a prone player.
(h) Going into the stands to interact with spectators, or bowing at the waist after a good play.
(i) Intentionally removing the helmet while the ball is alive.
(j) Dead-ball contact fouls such as pushing, shoving, striking, etc. that occur clearly after the ball is dead and that are not part of the game action. (A.R. 9-2-1-X)
(k) After the ball is dead, using forcible contact to push or pull an opponent off the pile. (A.R. 9-2-1-XI)

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Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life

I'm never making that trip again. The drive home today was one of the worst I ever had. Granted, I drank too much yesterday so I couldn't get back nearly as far as I wanted. Ended up staying in a roadside motel in Havana, IL. Woo!

That 2 hrs on the shittly little highway is awful, worse with a monster hangover.

Protip: If you're going to drink beer all day, a McGriddle and two Italian beef sandwiches is not enough to eat. Also, those Volsons know how to fucking party!

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Monster Rehab works wonders

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

JFC nobody said they cant show emotion. It is and always has been about stupid and excessive celebrations. I dont see whats so hard to understand about that.

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Needs something to bitch about. We won handily

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Originally Posted by Christopher Moen

How many sports are out there where your physical (and sometimes mental) well-being is going to be negatively affected when participating at a high-level as much as it happens in football? That’s the comparison between the two.

Hopefully, this helps you understand my point of why we don’t need to be so vitriol towards those that show emotions in those sports. Let them have their cake.


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Many sports.

Simply put, don't do anything that might hurt the TEAM. Unsportsmanlike conduct is a penalty that hurts the TEAM.
Sure, we had the game in hand but what if he does it again on a go ahead score late in the 4th qtr giving our opponent good field position. I've seen football games lost that way!

Good lord. If it was 27 24 ndsu with 2 min left and they just got 15 free yards on an ensuing kick off...yes have this convo


If you go up 34-7 with 5 min left and youre against pud state...let CK talk to him. .which he obviously did and move on

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Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10

Good lord. If it was 27 24 ndsu with 2 min left and they just got 15 free yards on an ensuing kick off...yes have this convo


If you go up 34-7 with 5 min left and youre against pud state...let CK talk to him. .which he obviously did and move on

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Wrong answer. The players should hear about it from the fan base. Its unacceptable behavior. Public pressure and expectations are certainly part of the culture that is NDSU.

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Originally Posted by westnodak93bison

Wrong answer. The players should hear about it from the fan base. Its unacceptable behavior. Public pressure and expectations are certainly part of the culture that is NDSU.

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There it is. We are fans, not Stans, they don't belong to us.

wow, Ty takes a bow and Bisonville calls for heads...lol

flame on

The young man got excited and made a mistake. It didn't hurt the team this time. I'm willing to bet the coaches and upperclassmen have already addressed it, and it will not happen again. Better now than December.

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Originally Posted by Honeybooboo

wow, Ty takes a bow and Bisonville calls for heads...lol

flame on

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Not calling for anybody's head, just make sure he doesn't do it again. I'm sure that's what Coach talked to him about.

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Originally Posted by Christopher Moen

How many sports are out there where your physical (and sometimes mental) well-being is going to be negatively affected when participating at a high-level as much as it happens in football? That’s the comparison between the two.

Hopefully, this helps you understand my point of why we don’t need to be so vitriol towards those that show emotions in those sports. Let them have their cake.


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Not one person mentioned anything about not being able to show emotion on the field. Do you suggest that college football do away with the unsportsmanlike penalty? That way players can express themselves however they wish. No one on the NDSU sideline disputed that Brooks deserved a penalty.

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Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life

There it is. We are fans, not Stans, they don't belong to us.

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Some people take a game played by 18-21 yr olds a tad too serious.

In other news, congratulations to Easton Stick on his new job.

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The Bison weren’t perfect — Western Illinois’ defense staggered them at times. But the tests they have had in the last week — a road game at Northern Iowa, plus a Wednesday practice in snow in Fargo, prepared them for the challenge of another road game.

“We play to a standard, and that’s every day in practice,” North Dakota State coach Easton Stick said.

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http://www.thehawkeye.com/sports/201...ard-buries-wiu

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Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life

There it is. We are fans, not Stans, they don't belong to us.

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BS, without fan support we would be like ISUb, WIU etc.

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Originally Posted by IndyBison

I assume it's just to prevent all the excess stuff you see in the NFL. The term we often here is to allow "spontaneous immediate acts of exhuberance by teenagers". I know many players are in their 20s, but you get the idea. High fives, chest bumps, etc. are fine. Quick actions that are borderline are often talk tos (i.e. a quick first down signal when they stand up is warned the first time but flagged if done multiple times or extended). Running to the other side of the end zone to do it only drew more attention to it.

Here is the exact wording of the rule (9-2-1a). (h) is the one that applies here. I guess if he does it after a bad play it's OK? :)

Specifically prohibited acts and conduct include:
1. No player, substitute, coach or other person subject to the rules shall use abusive, threatening or obscene language or gestures, or engage in such acts that provoke ill will or are demeaning to an opponent, to game officials or to the image of the game, including but not limited to:
(a) Pointing the finger(s), hand(s), arm(s) or ball at an opponent, or imitating the slashing of the throat.
(b) Taunting, baiting or ridiculing an opponent verbally.
(c) Inciting an opponent or spectators in any other way, such as simulating the firing of a weapon or placing a hand by the ear to request recognition.
(d) Any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by which a player (or players) attempts to focus attention upon himself (or themselves).
(e) An unopposed ball carrier obviously altering stride as he approaches the opponent’s goal line or diving into the end zone.
(f ) A player removing his helmet after the ball is dead and before he is in the team area (Exceptions: Team, media or injury timeouts; equipment adjustment; through play; between periods; and during a measurement for a first down).
(g) Punching one’s own chest or crossing one’s arms in front of the chest while standing over a prone player.
(h) Going into the stands to interact with spectators, or bowing at the waist after a good play.
(i) Intentionally removing the helmet while the ball is alive.
(j) Dead-ball contact fouls such as pushing, shoving, striking, etc. that occur clearly after the ball is dead and that are not part of the game action. (A.R. 9-2-1-X)
(k) After the ball is dead, using forcible contact to push or pull an opponent off the pile. (A.R. 9-2-1-XI)

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I know it's word for word in there so it's automatic, but how is this truly different than Crockett waiving to the crowd after he scored or whoever we had that did the military salute? (I think that was Roehl but definitely Terrell Davis with the Broncos)

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Originally Posted by westnodak93bison

BS, without fan support we would be like ISUb, WIU etc.

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Originally Posted by stevdock

I know it's word for word in there so it's automatic, but how is this truly different than Crockett waiving to the crowd after he scored or whoever we had that did the military salute? (I think that was Roehl but definitely Terrell Davis with the Broncos)

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Jensen did that. Started with the belt I and then every year added a finger to the salute for the championship he was going for I believe.

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Originally Posted by wisco4

Not one person mentioned anything about not being able to show emotion on the field. Do you suggest that college football do away with the unsportsmanlike penalty? That way players can express themselves however they wish. No one on the NDSU sideline disputed that Brooks deserved a penalty.

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I explained why they show emotion and why they should. What part of my many explanations don't you understand? In regards to the rules, yes, they're a bit overboard and the NFL finally figured it out last year. In regards to how this message board reacts when Bison athletes show any emotion after a great play is inexcusable including your post:

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Brooks needs to check his ego at the door. They should sit his ass.

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Yes, the penalty sucks, but nobody here overacts with the same type of disdain when NDSU players commit other penalties that cost them 15 yards like pass interference, roughing the passer or face-masking. Until Saturday, Brooks has been pretty quite and humble, then one action, and this message board goes overboard. If anyone needs reassess their ego, it's a few of us on this board. I don't know if you personally have some type of issue with Brooks because he plays/played with your son, but if I had to guess, I would say you do.

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Originally Posted by Twincitybizon

Jensen did that. Started with the belt I and then every year added a finger to the salute for the championship he was going for I believe.

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Tyler Roehl did a salute a number of times to honor his brother in 2007. He was warned at least once by officials to knock it off.

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Originally Posted by IndyBison

Let me and this for you all painlessly. There are a few things in the rule book that are automatic unsportsmanlike conduct. Bowing after a play is one of them. It had nothing to do with where he did it and who he did it to. If he had gone into the bench area where no official would be watching.

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So Butler should have been flagged. Is there an exemption somewhere if the player family name gives justification for such actions?

Oh my...some of you need to go spend some quality time with your significant others. If you do have one, get off the keyboard and find one.

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Originally Posted by MAKBison

Oh my...some of you need to go spend some quality time with your significant others. If you do have one, get off the keyboard and find one.

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Agree completely... It makes bisonville pretty much unbearable for most...

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Originally Posted by Christopher Moen

I explained why they show emotion and why they should. What part of my many explanations don't you understand? In regards to the rules, yes, they're a bit overboard and the NFL finally figured it out last year. In regards to how this message board reacts when Bison athletes show any emotion after a great play is inexcusable including your post:



Yes, the penalty sucks, but nobody here overacts with the same type of disdain when NDSU players commit other penalties that cost them 15 yards like pass interference, roughing the passer or face-masking. Until Saturday, Brooks has been pretty quite and humble, then one action, and this message board goes overboard. If anyone needs reassess their ego, it's a few of us on this board. I don't know if you personally have some type of issue with Brooks because he plays/played with your son, but if I had to guess, I would say you do.

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You keep making these generalizations like the whole board is blowing up. I think your usage of terms like "disdain" and "vitriol" is a little over the top. Also, I don't think anyone has said players should not display any emotion after a play.

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Originally Posted by Christopher Moen

I explained why they show emotion and why they should. What part of my many explanations don't you understand? In regards to the rules, yes, they're a bit overboard and the NFL finally figured it out last year. In regards to how this message board reacts when Bison athletes show any emotion after a great play is inexcusable including your post:



Yes, the penalty sucks, but nobody here overacts with the same type of disdain when NDSU players commit other penalties that cost them 15 yards like pass interference, roughing the passer or face-masking. Until Saturday, Brooks has been pretty quite and humble, then one action, and this message board goes overboard. If anyone needs reassess their ego, it's a few of us on this board. I don't know if you personally have some type of issue with Brooks because he plays/played with your son, but if I had to guess, I would say you do.

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Are you assuming Chris? You know what they say about that? You just won't get it. Please continue to not let any facts affect your argument, your intellect has me awestruck.

I'll hold my outrage for when a player gets an unsportsmanlike penalty for actions that are obviously taunting of the opponent. That's when it crosses the line to me. Last year we had a corner obviously taunt a WR after a big hit, that was dumb and poor sportsmanship.

All the other little endzone celebrations are in good fun and aren't hurting anyone or the culture of the program.