I was there last weekend. This is highly dependent on the game...... There was basically nothing for Montana.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life
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I was there last weekend. This is highly dependent on the game...... There was basically nothing for Montana.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life
I have to say this though, since this "student-football-fan" debate is nationwide now. Some schools have opened up their student sections to non-students already. Similar to Bisonfanettes idea, put the non-students "above" the students, schools have done this and had some complaints, by those "new" fans.
Saying that those students are too rowdy!
Those students never sit down!
Those students say obnoxious things!
NO??
REALLY??
So, NDSU can expect someone, at some point to bitch!
Be prepared for this NDSU...Swannie...whomever!
When UN_ first opened the New Englstad, they had major issues as where to place the students. And people bitched(at a freaking hockey game) that the students stood the whole time???
So you folks getting a ticket above the students...this aint church!!!
Mike from SF gets mentioned on radio as much as someone we know gets on camera. We are in the presence of Legends.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
I'm singing autographs at 5 bucks a pop in Vermin......Quote:
Originally Posted by StL Bison Fan
I do find it interesting how people my age complain about students now and how they leave the game early. It was the same way when I was a student and older fans complained about my generation the same way...how we had no work ethic, blah, blah, blah. I always stayed for the whole game as did most of the students in the first 10 rows or so. A lot of the rest cleared out. I'm sure the current students are just as good as previous generations.
I do have to say, I'm glad these are the problems we have to be "concerned" about.
TAB all you did was hog the front row seats with your stupid hawaiian shirts so I had to sit behind you with some random chick so nobody could see us......hmmm......wait.. opps carry on TAB.
When we lived across from the BSA, we always left at halftime so we could party more, just the way it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by TransAmBison
We used to get in line at around noon to maybe 2pm for a 7 pm game...no way I would leave at half-time after waiting that long. Besides, we smuggled in enough refreshments to make it through. By the time the game ended we hit frat parties.
Forget the end of the game. There were a lot of seats at the beginning of the game.
beginning of the game there was maybe top 5-10 rows open in student section. big deal.
I ask this with no jackassery, but how does most of the public buy their tickets? I would assume they go to gobison.com and it is pretty plain there.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonfanette
To be honest, up to this point I don't know if NDSU has had to worry about publicizing the fact that there are tickets available because the Friday tickets sell out rather quickly.
^^^ JMB NDSU and us to some extent and the media talks in August about how EVERY NDSU TICKET IS SOLD OUT FOR SEASON.
so the "plain" people or "bandwagon" people see that and decide then "well honey we aint going to NDSU games, so lets plan our vacation/hunting, etc"
So when the students dont sell out and we have 500 tickets , those people are already gone!
Yeah there was alot of empty seats to start and then after half time there was hardly any students left. Probably the worst showing I've seen in a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life
There is truth in this. Perhaps as they sell those single game tickets in August they should make it clear, on the site, that tickets do become available. When people ask me about tickets I tell them to call. Josh and co are extremely helpful and their goal is indeed to sell tickets.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Was there SRO? They should just go fill in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonmike2
Agreed. This is not complicated. When NDSU knows there will be a substantial number of tickets opening up, simply send an e-mail out through the alumni association and put out the press release and ask the paper and TV to run it.Quote:
Originally Posted by StL Bison Fan
True. And JMB, the point is MANY Bison fans think that every game is sold out, because that is what they heard last August. They don't have a clue that you can still try to get tickets Friday am. Last Friday at 8:15am I went onto the goBison website to see if all of the tickets were gone... and much to my surprise, there were many General Admission tickets available! That tells me that many ppl are not aware of this opprotunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Also if possible, and IF the students don't take their tickets, consider opening up 13-15 AA for GA.
Hopefully the students will come to the SDSU game, & this won't be an issue.
Back in 1960, the attendance was so poor, a few football players told the freshmen you had better show up at the games. I know one freshman who answered as soon as you guys can compete I'll show up.
Now someone needs to tell Travis Beck, Kyle Emanuel, etc..., etc...it's like watching Superman play football. If they don't quit picking on those poor mortals.......
Whatever. One week people bitch cause it should have been a blowout. Next they bitch cause they made it look too easy. WTF? We have an awesome team, I love to watch them destroy everyone.
Could be a gopher fan and be in shock cause they won a few straight.
I believe that was around the time my mom claims got tied to the flagpole to the east of the Memorial Union for smarting off to football players. She respected their rebuttal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ndsu84
Note: In Ma's defense, according to my dad, he brought here to a UND home game and because he worked there, they sat in the faculty section. She stood and cheered for the other team the entire game.
Ah I see. To me the opportunity is to do a better job publicizing that tickets are available every Friday for games (because frankly the tickets are available). The idea of firing off an email to the alumni list isn't a bad idea either if the availability is extraordinarily high. It would also be nice to remove the purchase limit of 2 on those days as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonfanette
Would be nice if "open" seats could be made available for young kids. Gotta start them young if we want Bison Nation to grow.
Announcing in August that the tickets are sold out for the season is bad enough, but wife and I heard the very beginning of Bison Pregame on the radio, at 1PM saturday, when Ryan Gellnar announced the Indiana State home Bison game to be a sellout?
Lets start with the Bison Flagship station and announce that tickets are available!
Not just on gameday, but once they go on sale!
It says that every week. After the first 3 weeks of getting zero tickets people probably just give up. I along with everyone else just assumed there were none available. Again shitty communication. I hope they learn from this. It's pretty bad when people pay for SRO but there are good seats availableQuote:
Originally Posted by JMB
Now you are seeing the light! I think you could get up to 8 GA tickets last Friday & I wasn't even in a waiting room at 8:15am!?! Now what does that tell you? Simply a communication problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMB
They have said for years now that if you have SRO tickets and there are seats available in the student section that you can go sit in them whenever they become available.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Who said that? When?
To NDSU's credit they did say on Facebook more SRO tickets became available on Friday, which they knew was because of the poor student turnout. But never said to the public that SRO's can become seats IF the students don't show up. If I don't have seats and I see SRO's become available without knowing that last part I probably wouldn't buy because I can have a better seat at home. But if they were to say that SRO's can become seats then I'm probably buying.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
Understandibly. When they set the deadline last Tuesday for the students to request their tickets... perhaps I should have thought ~ they may open up GA tickets? I honestly was surprised when I saw them available online. BOTH Sro and GA. Ppl will come for GA tickets :)Quote:
Originally Posted by stevdock
I as well was not very happy about the lack of students attending. Who ever said there were a lot of empty seats must have been watching a different game on TV because I have a panorama of after halftime showing EVERY section is full to the top with very very few empty seats and a half empty student section. Remember it was a CODE GREEN game so the dark colors tends to be thought of as blue on TV.
There were MAYBE 3,000 students there at the start of the game. Probably a better estimate is 2,500-2,750. The area above the band was virtually empty. It only started to become remotely populated later with people who had standing room tickets realizing why not go sit there. Same could be said for a small area around the ISU fans. I am sure the non-standing room tickets that were available Friday were returned tickets from the opposing team from their 500 allotment. By noon Friday there was a facebook post from athletics that there was a limited number of Standing Room tix available. That maybe was not the best wording to get people to by tickets. They were trying to be politically correct I am sure but if they know that many students were not attending it could have been worded that seats will be available for anyone with standing room tickets above the student section. People are not going to get excited about just SRO tickets when they know the only place they can stand is in the corners with a big pole in their view. If they know that they will be able to sit above the students then they will be MUCH more likely to sell.
Having gone to all but a very small hand full of games since the dome opened as a HS kid, Student, Grad Student, now alum and season ticket holder there is one thing that holds true every year. No matter how good the team is the student section will be full the first 2 games no matter who they are playing. After that there is a gradual decline in attendance for I am sure various reasons with the exception of a rivalry game. Instead of just having a flat 4,000 tix every game they maybe need to look at a gradual decline in tix for the students as the season goes on. Or make them get their tickets by the Thursday or Friday a week ahead so they have the whole weekend to announce that X amount of tickets will be available on Tuesday and make them GA tickets starting at field level next to the band in Section 10. Work your way up with how many actual seats are available. If people purchased SRO tickets for that game they have Sunday and Monday to exchange for GA first (must be some way of doing it electronically). Gives incentive to buy a ticket anyway in the hopes you have first dibs on a GA ticket. Late arriving students are also the ones who are not going to stick around anyway, so rope off the area above those GA seats so students can sit above those GA seats. If you want a better seat as a student then get their earlier.
I am sure there are other outside the box ways to do it. But something needs to change because it is the same thing every year and with how high the demand is for tickets lots of adjustments need to be made across the board because if people know their are seats available they will sell and sell quickly.
I know this may be a bit risky, but here is an off the wall idea. Is it feasible to drop student fees a bit that go to athletics, and they make that up by making them buy a season ticket, for a very low price, for football only? Keep other sports open.
Just trying to think outside the box and in a way fair to the students as I feel they pay for those seats even if not used.
I liked the idea of rewarding students with some type of points system for attending games. The more points you earn, the sooner you get your choice of seat (or as mentioned before, you're put into a grouping with people that have similar amounts of points) and you can claim them for "rewards" as well. Should work out to seniors get choice of seats and on down the points list. You want good seats, attend games and earn points. My only stipulation would be that you must be scanned in at the beginning of the game and scanned out when you leave. You stay for the whole game, you get x-amount of points. You stay until half time, you get y-amount of points. Rewards those that stay (and I don't care if they're sitting on their phones just to earn points, it looks good to have butts in the seats) and "punishes" those that leave early. This could be done at all events as well. When students go to claim their tickets, they will be told what grouping to go into and when getting scanned at the game, the program that the scanner uses could be designed to not allow entry for those that aren't supposed to be in that group to avoid "jumpers". Select what group you're scanning in, scan the cards, and away you go. Green means go, red means not allowed. When that group is done, move on to the next group. Just my thoughts. I also like the idea of transferring these points into priority points when the student graduates. They put in the time to attend games, they should be rewarded.
I contacted Josh about selling student tickets earlier and this it the reply I got back:
Ross,
In fairness to the students we do need to give them a fair amount of time to claim their tickets. This week we basically gave them until Thursday evening to claim a ticket. Typically the cutoff is Friday at 2:45pm, but in order to make them available at the same time we released the other available tickets we did bump that up to Thursday evening. We did sell all of the unclaimed student tickets on Friday. Unfortunately there were claimed student tickets that did not get used.
We are visiting we student leaders to discuss ways to increase student attendance and reduce the no shows. I’m sure some of those discussions will include different scenarios and timelines for making unclaimed tickets available to the public.
Thanks,
Josh Hemingway
Director of Tickets
NDSU Athletics
Excellent. Who'd a thunk it? Ask the question to the right person, and get a reasonable, direct answer. Hmmmmm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockbear99
And now for the requisite complaining about how this is being handled.
Its utterly amazing that you can send an email and make a phone call on the same device you use to bitch on BV! WHAAAAATTTTA COUNTRY!!!!.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tatanka
And yet I'm still reading this thread...................
I love the students and fully realize that they make up for a large majority of the noise generated in the dome. With that being said, we really need to take a hard look at the number of student tickets available for football games. The athletic department allows 4000 student tickets per game, which equals 27% of the student population attending NDSU. In reality, this is a very high percentage of the student population and it is almost unreasonable to expect that high of a percentage of the student population to attend every single game, let alone one single game. Without looking at the numbers, I would venture to guess that the universities from the P5 conferences set aside a much smaller percentage of total available tickets for the students to use. I'm thinking in the 10-20% of total student population range would be a fair number to shoot for, but definitely the 4000 we currently set aside is a bit too high.
All of which can be monitored simultaneously, recorded, data stored with GPS coordinates by our Federal Government(except IRS and EPA departmental communications which get lost, purged or misplaced when convenient). :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Or if the athletic department or team makers had a database of people that didn't get tickets in the fall or has requested tickets in the past and send out an e mail announcement that 1,000 tickets were available, with 30,000 demand for season tickets it would seem 1.000 would sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
In all honesty, its about information. How many knew tickets were available, but how about ticket chasing fatigue. Are people tired of trying to get tickets the first couple of games and give up.
All unclaimed student tickets were sold.
The problem is the students interest in attending and staying.
One solution would be to charge non-attending student ticket holders $30.
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Originally Posted by BisonFootballFan
Cool. So how much do you plan on charging regular fans who don't use their ticket.?Quote:
Originally Posted by NDB2
None, they actually pay for theirs AND have the ability/incentive to sell/trade it.
There is no cost to students to attend OR not attend but can still waste a ticket.