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NDSU program will not fail in the FBS it will only get better.
NDSU program staying vs inferior programs will only decline.
combine that with declining attendance/attention & G5 spot in CFP opportunity makes this a no brainer.
we should all be LOCK STEP TOGETHER on this
Must not be a good feeling to be panicked about something completely out of our control. Regardless of what Chapo says a conference invite is not going to come easy with our geography. Being more panicked about becoming Youngstown st is hilarious. Youngstown is still a more thriving program than UConn or UMass even with some down years. Down years are inevitable for all teams, we are just lucky to have avoided them for the last decade!Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
To elaborate : with respect to football, UMass and UConn have two of the very worst football teams in all of FBS.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
How they got there: these are "basketball first" schools that refused to be all sports in other Conferences (MAC, AAC) because they felt it harmed basketball.
So they weren't allowed to stay in those conferences and became FBS independent.
This pretty much destroyed their chances of having good football.
I think if they could trade places with NDSU for football they would strongly consider it over their current position.
They have been hoping/pleading to join a FBS conference, but are "stuck" in Indy status because even CUSA would not take them.
The lessons here are:
- Football only is not desirable for FBS conferences
- It is incredibly hard to succeed as an Independent FBS team without special benefits and/or huge $$$ like Notre Dame and BYU.
Pushing for FBS "at any cost" is incredibly risky and likely to land us in a FBS purgatory.
Even FCS schools were chosen over UMass/UConn - they are indeed stuck.
My point is I'm not anymore panicked about staying FCS than others are about becoming UConn or UMass. I have never insinuated that geography isn't an obstacle that NDSU faces. However, if we create an attractive enough package to present to a conference the geography won't be as large of an impediment. Creating an attractive package is within NDSU leadership's control to a large extent. That involves athletics, facilities, enrollment, academic profile, endowment, fanbase among other things. Some of those aspects have made improvements, others not as much. However, how the improvements all fit together is a bit murky to me. I have also stated that if FBS isn't in the cards and doesn't make sense then we need to adjust our ath. dept. business model so to speak and focus our athletic energies and investments to raise our overall University brand through our other sports rather than being so football centric. Your viewing my statement about Youngstown and UConn/UMass entirely through the football program lens. I'm viewing it from a much larger perspective. UConn and UMass, even with their struggles to find a home and stability with football, are Universities with a more attractive overall brand than NDSU currently and a whole hell of a lot more attractive than Youngstown State's brand ever has been. UMass/UConn>NDSU>Youngstown in terms of overall University brand.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
Valid points and nothing there I disagree with. I'm not pushing for FCS at any cost and never have. I am pushing for leadership to show that they have a plan that makes logical sense when viewed as a whole. There is essentially very little reason for us to build a $50 million dollar practice facility that is almost entirely built with football in mind if our larger intent is not to get to FBS. It is an absolutely awesome facility and one that I'm sure will impress recruits who visit campus. It is impressive to me and something that as an alum makes me proud. That being said, building that facility essentially is us showing our hand. We want to go FBS. With attendance and fan engagement trending downward for a number of years now, why not be more vocal about the overall vision for our athletic department and what the "conceptual" roadmap is. Create some more excitement around the athletic programs by selling that vision to the larger public.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
I think most people here are reasonable, but just a little frustrated we haven't been able to move yet. There are a handful of agitators who constantly push for "fbs now, no matter what" and that is what I'm referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
I think the fact that we just built a $50 million practice facility speaks volumes about where we are headed. It just takes longer than some would like for the trickle down of conference moves to open the door. MWC is most logical, but it's possible MAC will work also. Everything else is pretty unlikely, for good reasons.
Kennesaw State (167 Sagarin) to CUSA. Bless their little hearts ...
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/statu...Cjua7S8ecrAAAA
lol. So now we're not even pretending the attendance requirement exists. They sure didn't get that invite based on the quality of their FB program.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
I'm in the "FBS now no matter what" camp because I think that later it will be too late. There will be no more seats left when the music stops. Actually, it is probably already too late. Your "pause-and-consider-and-plan-for-20-year-conference-membership" approach can be summed up in one word: inertia. Or stagnation. You pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Some people who think it is time for FBS now used to deride and chastise people that thought it was time a few years ago. In another year or two, with no movement on this issue and no public declaration of NDSU's intent to make the move, you'll finally see the light and, in frustration, you will be clamoring for "FBS now no matter what". But you will likely have no self-awareness to remember this fan board conversation or prediction. And more importantly, your clamoring then will be as effective as my clamoring now. Which is to say, not effective at all.
Now thats funny. Youre already playing the guilt and blame game.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum