GDT: NDSU vs. Western Illinois

How do the other teams defense lose track of Shepard? I'd double team him and then just have everyone else stopping the run.

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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos

They showed on the KVLY broadcast him getting a pretty lengthy "talking to" by Klieman when he got to the sideline. Klieman didnt get animated at all but it was a good 20 seconds of him calmly talking into Brooks' earhole. I'd say the situation was handled and I'd be very surprised to see it happen again.

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I agree. They'll handle it and move on. I'm sure he's a good kid and he'll learn from this and handle it differently the next time he's in the end zone, which I'm sure will be very soon.

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Originally Posted by CaBisonFan

Hand the ball to the official...act like you've been there before...and plan to be back.

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This is the other detail I haven't seen mentioned. He ran right past an official and tossed the ball on the ground. Then did the bow right in front of another official. He could have handed the ball to either official and pointed to the crowd and there would have been no flag. I was expecting a flag to be thrown.

How about the kickers last night outside. Cam and Garrett A+!

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Bulter did the same thing minus running to sidelines first.

Turned to the sidelines and took a fancy man bow.

How bout all the times opposing players tell the Fargodome to "shush" after scoring a TD?

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Originally Posted by Nel360

How about the kickers last night outside. Cam and Garrett A+!

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Long kickoff return Cam left the kick too much towards the center of the field.

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Originally Posted by Gully

I agree. They'll handle it and move on. I'm sure he's a good kid and he'll learn from this and handle it differently the next time he's in the end zone, which I'm sure will be very soon.

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The offense needs some fire.

Cripes, watching the first half it was hard to tell which team's OL was all first year players. Stick has been getting crushed back there three games in a row.

Best story as the Kvly folks having to buy tickets to erect a wooden base to do the game from the bleachers.
Pictures all over twitter and Facebook
It was 46 degrees but felt much colder with the damp air.
We had many more fans than western. And of course we won the tailgate.
Thanks to PL and Tony for the fantastic eats! I sure wish they catered. :hungry:

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Originally Posted by EC8CH

Long kickoff return Cam left the kick too much towards the center of the field.

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Missed tackle at the 23 not Cam's fault

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Originally Posted by tony

The offense needs some fire.

Cripes, watching the first half it was hard to tell which team's OL was all first year players. Stick has been getting crushed back there three games in a row.

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Agreed, maybe I'm just imagining it but part of the problem to me seems to be he usually doesn't have any outlets. It seems most every is running intermediate to deep routes so if Stick does get pressured he either needs to escape himself (which he's obviously pretty good at) or eat it and take a sack. Would be nice to see a back or tight end be available for him to dump it to when he's under pressure even if it's for a minimal gain.

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Originally Posted by EC8CH

Bulter did the same thing minus running to sidelines first.

Turned to the sidelines and took a fancy man bow.

How bout all the times opposing players tell the Fargodome to "shush" after scoring a TD?

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None of that shows much class. It fits other teams better than ours.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Jfc you really trying to make a rodeo analogy? Not even close.

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You don’t think both sports are dangerous and an individual’s career can end an instance?

My analogy was just.


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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos

Agreed, maybe I'm just imagining it but part of the problem to me seems to be he usually doesn't have any outlets. It seems most every is running intermediate to deep routes so if Stick does get pressured he either needs to escape himself (which he's obviously pretty good at) or eat it and take a sack. Would be nice to see a back or tight end be available for him to dump it to when he's under pressure even if it's for a minimal gain.

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Disagree....the flats are often there as an outlet. Stick even used it this week. The issue is stick will typically take off vrs dumping it

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Originally Posted by MAKBison

Disagree....the flats are often there as an outlet. Stick even used it this week. The issue is stick will typically take off vrs dumping it

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That could be the case. I'll have to watch it again and pay more attention during the sacks he took. If that is what's happening I hope he starts recognizing pressure better so he can dump it to his outlets. He doesn't need to take any more hits than he already does.

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Originally Posted by KSBisonFan

This is the other detail I haven't seen mentioned. He ran right past an official and tossed the ball on the ground. Then did the bow right in front of another official. He could have handed the ball to either official and pointed to the crowd and there would have been no flag. I was expecting a flag to be thrown.

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Yup. My take too.

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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos

That could be the case. I'll have to watch it again and pay more attention during the sacks he took. If that is what's happening I hope he starts recognizing pressure better so he can dump it to his outlets. He doesn't need to take any more hits than he already does.

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You can see the check down guys in every game. But if you rewatch this game, a great example of ES using it is the bad snap ES handled....the actually goes right to the check down after spinning and controlling the ball.

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Originally Posted by Christopher Moen

You don’t think both sports are dangerous and an individual’s career can end an instance?

My analogy was just.


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Rodeo celebrationhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...76f5e2d1a6.gif

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Originally Posted by Vet70

None of that shows much class. It fits other teams better than ours.

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Meh, it's a game. Let the kids have some fun. Pretty weak taunting in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Nel360

Missed tackle at the 23 not Cam's fault

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Didn't Cam miss a tackle on same return?

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Originally Posted by tony

The offense needs some fire.

Cripes, watching the first half it was hard to tell which team's OL was all first year players. Stick has been getting crushed back there three games in a row.

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Did you quote my post by accident? :)

This debate is pretty stupid and full of overreactions. Brook did something NDSU players normally don’t do. He probably won’t do it again. Does he deserve to be sat for a game? Lol overreact much PL? Is this the same as the rodeo? Lol what a shit analogy CM.

This is seriously worth 60 posts or whatever it is now?

Anyways, wonder what people’s reactions were when Crockett blew a kiss at opposing cheerleaders... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by NDSUBowler

This debate is pretty stupid and full of overreactions. Brook did something NDSU players normally don’t do. He probably won’t do it again. Does he deserve to be sat for a game? Lol overreact much PL? Is this the same as the rodeo? Lol what a shit analogy CM.

This is seriously worth 60 posts or whatever it is now?

Anyways, wonder what people’s reactions were when Crockett blew a kiss at opposing cheerleaders... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Cheering. There is precedent for NDSU players snagging opposing cheerleaders.

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Originally Posted by StL Bison Fan

Best story as the Kvly folks having to buy tickets to erect a wooden base to do the game from the bleachers.
Pictures all over twitter and Facebook
It was 46 degrees but felt much colder with the damp air.
We had many more fans than western. And of course we won the tailgate.
Thanks to PL and Tony for the fantastic eats! I sure wish they catered. :hungry:

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So you're saying KVLY had to buy tickets for the space where that table sat? Now that would be the height of tacky on WIU parts.

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Originally Posted by NDSU1980

So you're saying KVLY had to buy tickets for the space where that table sat? Now that would be the height of tacky on WIU parts.

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They even read of the seat numbers postgame.

And I actually kind of like the post game show. It's a nice addition this year.

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Originally Posted by NDSU1980

So you're saying KVLY had to buy tickets for the space where that table sat? Now that would be the height of tacky on WIU parts.

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Yep. .

Holy crap...

With conference affiliation, there should be some sort of standards

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Originally Posted by Christopher Moen

You don’t think both sports are dangerous and an individual’s career can end an instance?

My analogy was just.


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Thats not the point. The point is acceptable behavior. In a rodeo there arent rules in how one celebrates. Its expected that they whoop and hollar and dance around.
Plus you dont see a rodeo dude when he get off his ride run over to his competition and mock or do the in your face bullshit and if they do there is no team that can be effected by those actions.

Now we get to a collegiate football player. There ARE rules for acceptable behavior. When one breaks those rules willfully and without regard to the team the team can and will feel the brunt of the rule violation. By violating the rules that player can also be subject to sanction from his team depending on severity.

You cant even call this an apples to oranges comparison because the two scenarios are so far apart.

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Originally Posted by NDSU1980

So you're saying KVLY had to buy tickets for the space where that table sat? Now that would be the height of tacky on WIU parts.

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The reason given was they expected a sellout.

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Originally Posted by NDSUBowler

This debate is pretty stupid and full of overreactions. Brook did something NDSU players normally don’t do. He probably won’t do it again. Does he deserve to be sat for a game? Lol overreact much PL? Is this the same as the rodeo? Lol what a shit analogy CM.

This is seriously worth 60 posts or whatever it is now?

Anyways, wonder what people’s reactions were when Crockett blew a kiss at opposing cheerleaders... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Didnt cost his team 15 yards did it.

I'm never making that trip again. The drive home today was one of the worst I ever had. Granted, I drank too much yesterday so I couldn't get back nearly as far as I wanted. Ended up staying in a roadside motel in Havana, IL. Woo!

That 2 hrs on the shittly little highway is awful, worse with a monster hangover.

Protip: If you're going to drink beer all day, a McGriddle and two Italian beef sandwiches is not enough to eat. Also, those Volsons know how to fucking party!

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Thats not the point. The point is acceptable behavior. In a rodeo there arent rules in how one celebrates. Its expected that they whoop and hollar and dance around.
Plus you dont see a rodeo dude when he get off his ride run over to his competition and mock or do the in your face bullshit and if they do there is no team that can be effected by those actions.

Now we get to a collegiate football player. There ARE rules for acceptable behavior. When one breaks those rules willfully and without regard to the team the team can and will feel the brunt of the rule violation. By violating the rules that player can also be subject to sanction from his team depending on severity.

You cant even call this an apples to oranges comparison because the two scenarios are so far apart.

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No my point is my point. You guys don’t get to decide it when you can’t understand the correlation.

Brooks didn’t taunt anyone like some of you want claim. He scored and ran to the direction of where there were Bison fans that apparently included his family (according to a former NDSU athlete who was commenting with Keith Brake on the post game show) and took a bow towards them. Nothing terrible with his actions. Had he done this to WIU’s bench, then yes, he would have been in the wrong.


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Originally Posted by Christopher Moen

No my point is my point. You guys don’t get to decide it when you can’t understand the correlation.

Brooks didn’t taunt anyone like some of you want claim. He scored and ran to the direction of where there were Bison fans that apparently included his family (according to a former NDSU athlete who was commenting with Keith Brake on the post game show) and took a bow towards them. Nothing terrible with his actions. Had he done this to WIU’s bench, then yes, he would have been in the wrong.


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Did you suffer one too many concussions during your wrestling days?

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Originally Posted by wisco4

Did you suffer one too many concussions during your wrestling days?

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I don't see anything incoherent with the logic in his post.

I agree with him that taunting is always wrong and should be flagged. Where celebration becomes excessive is a much greyer area. I already pointed out where Butler did almost the same thing as Brooks.

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Originally Posted by EC8CH

I don't see anything incoherent with the logic in his post.

I agree with him that taunting is always wrong and should be flagged. Where celebration becomes excessive is a much greyer area. I already pointed out where Butler didn't almost the same thing as Brooks.

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Comparing scoring a touchdown in a college football game to riding a bull at a rodeo.

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Originally Posted by EC8CH

I don't see anything incoherent with the logic in his post.

I agree with him that taunting is always wrong and should be flagged. Where celebration becomes excessive is a much greyer area. I already pointed out where Butler did almost the same thing as Brooks.

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The problem lies in the "almost".

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Originally Posted by Christopher Moen

No my point is my point. You guys don’t get to decide it when you can’t understand the correlation.

Brooks didn’t taunt anyone like some of you want claim. He scored and ran to the direction of where there were Bison fans that apparently included his family (according to a former NDSU athlete who was commenting with Keith Brake on the post game show) and took a bow towards them. Nothing terrible with his actions. Had he done this to WIU’s bench, then yes, he would have been in the wrong.


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There is a correlation. Both sports are dangerous but thats it and has nothing to do with the point at hand.

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Originally Posted by wisco4

Comparing scoring a touchdown in a college football game to riding a bull at a rodeo.

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I don't watch rodeo so I have no idea. Seems an odd comparison however.

Brooks probably wasn't trying to taunt the opposing team or fans but his bow being directed so clearly to the sidelines likely drew the flag. Just tell him to keep his celebrating directed to his teammates on the field.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Didnt cost his team 15 yards did it.

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Coach talked to him. If it happens again, it'll be a concern.

Yeah but Butler can bow because his last name is Butler. That's what Butler's do.