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Originally Posted by DePereBisonFan
Actually if your are nationally on the boards of every FBS team and travel around the country and talk to big time college football fans. NDSU's label right now is "They would rather be trophy chasers than buck up and move up to FBS"
sorry, that's the perception out there. Its time to kick the dam door down and do it.
This is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
https://i.imgur.com/UH0LsRt.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
I don't generally agree with Lakes....but in this instance he's 100% accurate. At the FCS level, NDSU will always be the cute little team that doesn't want to commit to play "real" football.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Fans on this board know that we could compete with most teams BUT their perception of us isn't wrong. We are happy staying FCS because we like to talk about our winning tradition especially our national titles.
The problem is that the football community doesn't value those trophies. We are the only people who care about those.
Fact is the rest of the country doesnt feel the way he explained it. I travel a lot and talk football a lot because Im always wearing NDSU stuff and I have never had any one disparage NDSU for being FCS. Many have asked why we dont just move up, When I explain that dont just move and explain many of the rules and requirements, money and the fact that you have to be in a conference they all get it. Most would say--yeah---why would any conference invite you so they could get their asses kicked.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
What you are agreeing with is the thought of going FBS. Lakes post is about what others perceive us because we havent.
I personally dont give a shit what others think. Im pretty comfortable knowing what this program is all about.
Well to me the fact that NDSU can not schedule a game against an FBS opponent is because we are FCS, mind you the best FCS but FCS non the less. The media in some cases still discredits NDSU and for sure those on school boards and conference boards. Sure I know the type that’s on there but it’s still holds true. Hero Sports , Bleacher Report and a like are full of this type of criticism of NDSU. (Still know the type of people) but it’s still there and it’s heavy. There are obviously a lot of complimentary fans out there and I’ve met a few but I’ve also visit friends in certain parts of the country and while talking with their friends the point sounds true.
It’s a bitch of a problem when you have to spend around $300k just to have a OOC FCS school come to Fargo and get black balled by most of the P5 ranks and virtually all of the G5. There are obviously some very real hurdles but these last few weeks has been rough. You have around 50 FBS schools that canceled leading up to openings in schedules all over the country and that doesn’t include FCS conference and schools that canceled leading to more open dates yet NDSU couldn’t scratch 3 games between to 2 divisions.
I hate to get into a pissing match but the country (as a whole) doesn't give a shit about FCS football. There are challenges to going FBS, but at this level of football (and with our decade+ of success), fans/media are no longer amazed at our success but instead criticize because they believe that we're just beating up on JV teams (which we are with the exception of about 4 schools).Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Our national trophies are now relegated to being the best of 5 schools. Every year we should be in the final four in the playoffs until we decide that we don't want to be there.
NDSU has always prided itself in its championship mentality. That mentality is not just about winning trophies. It's about being the BEST of the BEST. Due to no fault of our own, we are not given that opportunity anymore. Until we decide to make a change we will always be the team that chooses to PLAY DOWN.
The truth cannot be controversial.
PL's sentiment is the oh golly gee shucks, small timey thinking that goes on way too much in North Dakota.
why isn't NDSU's aspirations higher? Why are we content with what we have?
NDSU is so Dominate at the FCS level that it's actually hurting us now... the fatigue, the plateau, the outside looking down at us for trophy chasing now.
YES we need an invitation, YES we need more revenue/fundraising, YES we need more assistance from our own state.
Dean Bresciani only has 3-4 years left here before he retires off into the sunset, what a PERFECT time to go after more funding at the state level to help bolster and make NDSU more appealing for an invite into a FBS conference?
Apparently you haven't paid attention to North Dakota politics for the past 40+ years.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
There certainly are barriers to entry with the FBS but its becoming more and more clear to many of us that our PEERS are not FCS schools. There are challenges to the FBS but that's not to say that there are not equally difficult challenges by staying at our current level. The ability to find games that are meaningful and pay the bills while staying in the FCS may become more and more problematic.Quote:
Originally Posted by roadwarrior
The biggest step in potentially making a move is to admit that you are considering it. Many other FCS schools have done that. Some have jumped and some have not. At a minimum though it should be studied so that it is known that we are looking into it.
Without an official study no one really knows what it would take - everyone is an armchair AD and likes to spout off reasons and numbers that are based on nothing more than their own assumptions.
An official study would help us better understand what it would take and would answer many of the questions like:
How much more money would it take if moving all sports or just football?
Do we really need a conference? If not, what does that mean to our budget?
What about the stadium? Does it matter and if a replacement is needed is that a short term or a long term need?
What conferences might be interested if any?
Is there any TV money available?
etc, etc, etc.
All the pro FBS crowd is asking is to do the feasibility study. Could we make it work and would the change be worth it?
I can't imagine NDSU is going to be getting a significant amount of new funding from the state considering there is another "large" school in the state who is going to feel entitled to a significant increase in funding as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
If a frugal state of 750k is going to have 2 "flagship" D1 universities (which at this point appears to be an unavoidable fact), then the two institutions will have to differentiate themselves as unique and complementary bodies. Truth be told, it appears they were set up this way to begin with. My impression is that one of the two schools is fine with this distinction …Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
But to Chapo’s point, this is above DB and ML and would need to be addressed in Bismarck. So please stop railing on ML and DB about it.
Can't help but wonder what things would be like with a single, major university like Nebraska or Missouri.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Total bliss!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by acf2
What you are stating is YOU want confirmation that NDSU is considering it and YOU want a feasibility study to see if its possible. Have you forgotten that Gene TaylorQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
contacted the MWC and told them that NDSU wanted to be in the conversation when they considered expansion? Or that Matt Larson hasnt ruled it out BUT until the current landscape of college football changes we are happy to be where we are at? How many times must they repeat themselves?????
I will also say that a feasibility study would be a waste of money and resources at this juncture because NDSU pretty much Knows what it will take to make the move up. That came from GT himself in a conversation.
I remember when I reconnected with NDSU some 14 years ago. I was given a tour of the FD. While going through the football offices we came to a big empty office.
I was told that will be the head coaches office when we move up.
Since that time I have seen this program grow. They keep putting building blocks in place. IMO NDSU has great vision. Its certain fans who are short sighted and want instant gratification and want everything now regardless if its the right move at the right time and if its whats best for NDSU or not.
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People have been talking about this P5 breakaway for what 8 years? Since covid happened, it appears to me that the P5 is no where near a breakaway with no central leadership. All teams for themselves with a collective “we’ll do what they are doing” mentality. Other than expanding the playoff field, I don’t see the landscape of college football at the FBS level changing anytime soon.
The P5 already broke away when the NCAA gave them autonomy. The breakup didnt happen as most people thought it would.Quote:
Originally Posted by 23Bison
So then the football landscape has already changed and we should make our move?
nope 23. You shut up and enjoy the 3rd division of D1 football that NDSU is currently dominating. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 23Bison
what a Perfect time......Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
- COVID economy
Tourism, bars & restaurants etc + their employees struggling.
Does FBS football jump ahead of them in priority???
- Oil in a price range of 35-45
(remember Saudi Arabia/Russia production level price war???)
State Tax Revenue + spending concerns
what a Perfect time......Quote:
Doug Burgum has directed state agencies to identify substantial spending cuts to help deal with a battered state economy that's been battered as officials try to slow the spread of the coronavirus. ... Burgum said agencies must pare spending 5% percent to 15% when they prepare their plans for the next two-year budget.
May 1, 2020
I’m frustrated as well that NDSU was/and is struggling to schedule games. However, we are in a different New Normal than we were a year ago.
It’s the absolute perfect time. Nobody would ever expect it. :irslow:
Plus, lets face it. whether its this spring or next fall.. with Trey and Dillon gone, NDSU is gonna need an injection of enthusiasm into its fanbase.Quote:
Originally Posted by 23Bison
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Originally Posted by 23Bison
See. Was that so hard? Now we wait and see if something comes of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
That's what she said.Quote:
Originally Posted by 23Bison
Oh come on now.Quote:
Originally Posted by EC8CH
Yeah nothing gets the average fan bummed out like losing an offensive lineman...Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
NDSU enthusiasm should be fine next fall if only because there was no football this fall. The fun thing about college football is the roster turnover.
If fans don't come its not because a couple of players left for the NFL
Still have Phoenix and C. Watson and a whole bunch of talented running backs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
this is true. but when Trey, Radunz, Hayes and Volson are gone... that's gonna suck to a whole new level of suckQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr Meaty
Like when we lost Brock, Billy and Marcus? Or Carson, Haeg and CJ?? Or Easton, Tanner and Allison???Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
He may have meant we probably won't get to watch them play their final year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bisonator98
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Originally Posted by westnodak93bison
yea I meant missing them. Add Karson Schoenig in there as well. Babicz too. Both have NFL bodies and are gone too I'd say
Navy is getting spanked. So much for no-contact practice I guess. NDSU/BYU would be much better than this crap.
It’s lame that there is football on and NDSU isn't playing. That’s where I keep ending up in all this …
Just terrible. They look so unprepared. Terrible coaching decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Do you think it was political? I mean wtf …Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
What other reason could there be. Liability? If you are so afraid of covid dont play. If you are going to play you go 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Might have something to do with the fact that every cadet at the academy lives under one roof.
Why would that be a reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
An additional measure to prevent the whole fucking brigade being locked down due to a COVID outbreak.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Perhaps they shouldn’t be playing at all.
If you’re in a bubble and you’re testing every week, why would it matter?Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit