Montana state playoff game

Anyone want to talk football? Being we have a playoff game coming up? Or is this fun?

I heard a great interview today from the Montana State coach. Very impressive. Slowly building up the program, very humble and said NDSU was the standard. Talked about how we coach kids up, loaded with talent and have great coaches. Said we play the game the right way. I am excited to see this QB they are bringing in. 6'3 225 and was a multi time sprint champ in Montana. Love it. Lets play! #letstalkfootballandleavetheBSbehind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gC9whtk58s

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On the Cat board, the consensus is essentially that they will go toe-to-toe and come out with a moral victory. Must be a Big Sky thing.

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That is a pretty entertaining read. They are getting trolled hard by someone with the handle BizonProud, not a username here and no real football content related to NDSU in his posts, so I'm assuming he's a Griz fan. It's pretty funny they haven't figured that out yet.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gC9whtk58s

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TIL First Interstate Bank is still a thing.


Sorry that wasn't about football

why hasn't this angle been brought up yet??

Messingham at Montana State has to help NDSU correct? He was there in 2016, he should know players, tendencies, etc.



Courtney... Order LOTS of sprinkles at Cold Stone this saturday buddy... >>> http://www.bisonville.com/forum/show...a-at-Coldstone!!


Trey Lance is red shirting 100000%. Talked to his family, so he will be active ONLY in semis and Frisco

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CC is a good guy but he don't like me much and that's cool.

He would fucking love the tailgating in Fargo and he probably would love downtown I know I do.

You don't find tailgates anywhere in the country like yours not the SEC, Not Big10, about the only other place like your tailgates is when you do them in Frisco

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The tailgate at Missoula and just the overall town itself was a great college football atmosphere when we visited in 2015. Lots of really fun people who were excited about the game, probably helps that you guys won, but everyone treated us great so it was fun even though we lost. If you like FCS football, NDSU and Missoula should be 1 and 1A on your bucket list.

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Anyone want to talk football? Being we have a playoff game coming up? Or is this fun?

I heard a great interview today from the Montana State coach. Very impressive. Slowly building up the program, very humble and said NDSU was the standard. Talked about how we coach kids up, loaded with talent and have great coaches. Said we play the game the right way. I am excited to see this QB they are bringing in. 6'3 225 and was a multi time sprint champ in Montana. Love it. Lets play! #letstalkfootballandleavetheBSbehind

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Curious to see Cox v. Andersen. NDSU has always been a 2nd half team....and that has been a strength for MSU this year as well, so will be interested to see halftime adjustments. Choate seems to have the Cats moving in the right direction...and Saturday will be a great measuring stick to see how far they have come.

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Curious to see Cox v. Andersen. NDSU has always been a 2nd half team....and that has been a strength for MSU this year as well, so will be interested to see halftime adjustments. Choate seems to have the Cats moving in the right direction...and Saturday will be a great measuring stick to see how far they have come.

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Hell yes, those 2 will battle all day. Should be a fun watch

Choate had a good interview, looking forward to Saturday.

If I'm understanding MSU hff asan offense but struggle on D? I have not watched any of their games this year

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Choate had a good interview, looking forward to Saturday.

If I'm understanding MSU hff asan offense but struggle on D? I have not watched any of their games this year

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Honestly, I think both sides of the ball are ranked as middle of the road. However, both sides of the ball have been able to make timely plays when they had to. Biggest difference between last season and this season is that last year they were a play or two away from winning 2 or 3 more games....and this year they made those plays.

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I agree, never got what other people got from going to other teams boards either........... Disgusting bastards

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Had to watch on the phone, but was impressed with the Bobcats passing. Won’t be surprised to see them take their shots downfield early, trying to make the Bison D adjust. Andersen threw a good deep ball when he had a clean pocket, or a clean roll-out. Seemed like spirals, but on the phone screen could have been misleading. Bobcats incorporated jet sweeps as well as the option plays, and often split QB Andersen out on the edge with a WR as the QB. Could see a lateral to Andersen in that situation with a downfield shot following. Don’t know if that WR can throw the ball, but if he can chuck it 40 +, Andersen was a state sprint champ, maybe the Cats will take a downfield shot that way.


With the pressure the Bison DLine generates, along with Jabril Cox & Co spying on Andersen, could be a tough day for him. Seems like it takes him a little more time to load and release, so hello Kitty......
But won’t be surprised to see the Cats with a big play or two, helping keep the game closer than most expect.

As to Tony’s Brock Jensen mention, I used a freshman Brock Jensen comp, only faster, this weekend when I was asked about Andersen and the Bobcats at a wedding anniversary party.

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The WR you are referring to is Travis Jonsen, #10, who was at one time the #4 ranked dual threat high school QB in the country. Signed with Oregon, got beat out, transferred to JC, got beat out, ended up at MSU to compete for the QB job this spring as a junior but broke his foot like within a week of stepping on campus, didn't get to compete in spring ball. Our 2 year starting QB left school for academic issues, and our other QB on the roster just sort of wilted when he got all the reps and looks in the spring. This is the whole reason that Andersen was asked to switch to QB, just to provide some competition in camp. Andersen was a high school QB, yes, but was not recruited as one and he was one because that's what happens in small time high school football, your best athlete is the QB by default.

Long story short, yes Jonsen can throw but there is a reason he couldn't beat out a true sophomore who hadn't played a lick of QB since high school in small town Montana. But his athleticism is real. Which is why he was moved to WR and to his credit he has embraced it and really is just learning the position.

We have a whole bunch of high school QBs on the roster. #85 starting WR has thrown I think 2-3 TD passes in his Bobcat career so far off trick plays. You might see him in the wildcat for a few snaps as well.

Didn't seem much from BisonReport of the Forum guys from Klieman's presser today but here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6DPs8TNK7Q

One interesting thing I thought was at about the 8:30 mark when he starts talking about guys staying under the 4 game redshirt threshold. He refers to the fact that Seth Wilson is the only one they'll be worried about from that perspective but he goes onto say that there are guys who've played 2 games already that "aren't at the forefront of the gameplan" but he seems to connotate that there's at least one guy who's played 2 games as true freshman who could potentially see time in the playoffs. Based on EC8CH's Freshman 4 thread the only true freshmen who've played 2 games are Mark Stumpf and Trey Lance. File that under "Things that make you go 'hmmmm….'". There's been plenty of speculation that Trey Lance is really the backup QB at this point and those comments by Klieman may have thrown more fuel on that fire. They can only dress 64 guys in the playoffs so it'll be interesting to see if Trey Lance is in uniform once the game starts this Saturday.


Depth chart from Dom's twitter (Allison, Tutsie, Dunn, and Brooks all on it).

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ds9EvWrU0AAWYXM.jpg

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Honestly, I think both sides of the ball are ranked as middle of the road. However, both sides of the ball have been able to make timely plays when they had to. Biggest difference between last season and this season is that last year they were a play or two away from winning 2 or 3 more games....and this year they made those plays.

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Here's how the team stats stack up:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4840/...75f51fb5_z.jpg

Definitely an average to below average defense. One thing that stood out to me is they're 90th (out of 125) in the FCS in 3rd down defense and the Bison are 6th in the 3rd down offense. If Montana St can't get off the field on 3rd down they're going to be in trouble since they're offense needs to possess the ball (moreso than most) in order to score. Needless to say it's definitely a mismatch on paper.

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There's been plenty of speculation that Trey Lance is really the backup QB at this point and those comments by Klieman may have thrown more fuel on that fire. They can only dress 64 guys in the playoffs so it'll be interesting to see if Trey Lance is in uniform once the game starts this Saturday.

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Since Lance has played in two games already I would be surprised if he played Saturday. With the potential for three games after MSU, there are probably more dicey games down the road.

True freshman Destin Talbert on the two deep backing up Bridges at CB. There are some real studs in this freshman class.

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Since Lance has played in two games already I would be surprised if he played Saturday. With the potential for three games after MSU, there are probably more dicey games down the road.

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I think if Klieman has his way Lance wouldn't play, even in a blowout, until the semis since at that point he'd only have 2 games left anyway. But *knockonwood* if Stick goes down I think you need to put your best healthy QB on the field and, if I'm reading the writing on the wall correctly, that guy is Trey Lance. If things get out of hand in this game I hope they continue to let Hotchkiss take the mop-up snaps but with only 64 players dressing do they dress 3 QBs to account for all scenarios? We'll see.

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Definitely an average to below average defense. One thing that stood out to me is they're 90th (out of 125) in the FCS in 3rd down defense and the Bison are 6th in the 3rd down offense. If Montana St can't get off the field on 3rd down they're going to be in trouble since they're offense needs to possess the ball (moreso than most) in order to score. Needless to say it's definitely a mismatch on paper.

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My sense is that what we are going to see is a mid-level Valley team.

I liked Choate in his press conference. Seems like a coach on the right track.

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I think if Klieman has his way Lance wouldn't play, even in a blowout, until the semis since at that point he'd only have 2 games left anyway. But *knockonwood* if Stick goes down I think you need to put your best healthy QB on the field and, if I'm reading the writing on the wall correctly, that guy is Trey Lance. If things get out of hand in this game I hope they continue to let Hotchkiss take the mop-up snaps but with only 64 players dressing do they dress 3 QBs to account for all scenarios? We'll see.

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They'd prolly still go Hotchkiss to preserve Lances RS. I could be wrong.

How about our redzone offense? It has been spectacular.

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how about our redzone offense? It has been real andspectacular.

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I finished watching the Incarnate Word-Montana State game last night and I’m impressed with how much the Bobcats have improved since the SDSU game. Their constant offensive set changing and Andersen’s skills is going be “fun” for the Bison Defensive staff’s game plan preparation.

This is a good opponent for the Bison to begin their playoff stretch as it will cause them to stay focused right away. I believe NDSU will win comfortably, but maybe not cover the spread. Both teams run the ball too much and the game time will be flying.


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I’ve watched several Cats’ games this year. Yes, they do a lot of O shifts, but the plays they run out of them are predictable. We should be able to figure out tendencies out of whatever formations they end up in.

Moats of Anderson’s runs are to strong side, and his longer runs come from ruining angles with his speed, which he does have a lot of. He runs a bit oddly (head tucked in) but is faster than he appears. We will need a couple series to adjust angles. He doesn’t “finish” physically on purpose, but he does just because he is so big, fast and a great athlete. He’s not afraid of contact, but doesn’t go after it, likely because coaches have told him, and he knows, that they are short on QBs.

Some on Cats forum are saying Anderson will be the best player on the field, I say they haven’t seen and or are not giving enough credit to Easton Stick—who will be the best player on the field. Don’t thing they realize Stick is 6’2”, 215#s, and every bit of not more fast in pads as Anderson. Stick is also way more agile running the ball. We need to stretch Cats’ outside run game to sidelines (12th defender) by pushing angles.

Defensively I think the Cats are solid on DL, but not great depth. LBs are OK, but not MVFC-like. Their secondary is tested because of BSC play, but they haven’t seen nor dealt with a solid run game that provides for real play-action look. Also, they have not seen the Delta formation runs/play-action that we have, not the TE crew blocking and pass-catching we have.

And, can you say JCox spy/mirroring of Anderson?

We win going away, but first quarter will be one of sizing up the opponent a bit.

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They'd prolly still go Hotchkiss to preserve Lances RS. I could be wrong.

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Trey Lance is Redshirting 100000% they already told him and his parents. I got the Text.

He will dress but not play, available for Semi's and Frisco though if needed.

Load the box on them. CBs on island. Maybe an extra LB more than normal.

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I’ve watched several Cats’ games this year. Yes, they do a lot of O shifts, but the plays they run out of them are predictable. We should be able to figure out tendencies out of whatever formations they end up in.

Moats of Anderson’s runs are to strong side, and his longer runs come from ruining angles with his speed, which he does have a lot of. He runs a bit oddly (head tucked in) but is faster than he appears. We will need a couple series to adjust angles. He doesn’t “finish” physically on purpose, but he does just because he is so big, fast and a great athlete. He’s not afraid of contact, but doesn’t go after it, likely because coaches have told him, and he knows, that they are short on QBs.

Some on Cats forum are saying Anderson will be the best player on the field, I say they haven’t seen and or are not giving enough credit to Easton Stick—who will be the best player on the field. Don’t thing they realize Stick is 6’2”, 215#s, and every bit of not more fast in pads as Anderson. Stick is also way more agile running the ball. We need to stretch Cats’ outside run game to sidelines (12th defender) by pushing angles.

Defensively I think the Cats are solid on DL, but not great depth. LBs are OK, but not MVFC-like. Their secondary is tested because of BSC play, but they haven’t seen nor dealt with a solid run game that provides for real play-action look. Also, they have not seen the Delta formation runs/play-action that we have, not the TE crew blocking and pass-catching we have.

And, can you say JCox spy/mirroring of Anderson?

We win going away, but first quarter will be one of sizing up the opponent a bit.

Typos are my own cuz posting from IPhone, but you get it. And where’s Burgandy to talk football?!

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Very good analysis but did they see that "unique" UND formation where they put their 3 stud RBs in the backfield at the same time?!?

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I liked Choate in his press conference. Seems like a coach on the right track.

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I loved it! His breakdown of basically the entire Bison roster was great. I got jacked up listening to the first 7 minutes or so.

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Very good analysis but did they see that "unique" UND formation where they put their 3 stud RBs in the backfield at the same time?!?

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Maybe the formation, and they even run it a bit, but neither of them run it even close to the way we do. In fact, and not trying to be a dick/condescending to them, but I’m not sure they even understand all we do with that formation and the amount of different plays we run out of it in the exact formation, even after motioning/moving a TE or WR pre-snap, which we do to check coverage and or over-balance a bit.


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Maybe the formation, and they even run it a bit, but neither of them run it even close to the way we do. In fact, and not trying to be a dick/condescending to them, but I’m not sure they even understand all we do with that formation and the amount of different plays we run out of it in the exact formation, even after motioning/moving a TE or WR pre-snap, which we do to check coverage and or over-balance a bit.


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Thank you for talking football

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I’ve watched several Cats’ games this year. Yes, they do a lot of O shifts, but the plays they run out of them are predictable. We should be able to figure out tendencies out of whatever formations they end up in.

Moats of Anderson’s runs are to strong side, and his longer runs come from ruining angles with his speed, which he does have a lot of. He runs a bit oddly (head tucked in) but is faster than he appears. We will need a couple series to adjust angles. He doesn’t “finish” physically on purpose, but he does just because he is so big, fast and a great athlete. He’s not afraid of contact, but doesn’t go after it, likely because coaches have told him, and he knows, that they are short on QBs.

Some on Cats forum are saying Anderson will be the best player on the field, I say they haven’t seen and or are not giving enough credit to Easton Stick—who will be the best player on the field. Don’t thing they realize Stick is 6’2”, 215#s, and every bit of not more fast in pads as Anderson. Stick is also way more agile running the ball. We need to stretch Cats’ outside run game to sidelines (12th defender) by pushing angles.

Defensively I think the Cats are solid on DL, but not great depth. LBs are OK, but not MVFC-like. Their secondary is tested because of BSC play, but they haven’t seen nor dealt with a solid run game that provides for real play-action look. Also, they have not seen the Delta formation runs/play-action that we have, not the TE crew blocking and pass-catching we have.

And, can you say JCox spy/mirroring of Anderson?

We win going away, but first quarter will be one of sizing up the opponent a bit.

Typos are my own cuz posting from IPhone, but you get it. And where’s Burgandy to talk football?!

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Good stuff right here.


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I’ve watched several Cats’ games this year. Yes, they do a lot of O shifts, but the plays they run out of them are predictable. We should be able to figure out tendencies out of whatever formations they end up in.

Moats of Anderson’s runs are to strong side, and his longer runs come from ruining angles with his speed, which he does have a lot of. He runs a bit oddly (head tucked in) but is faster than he appears. We will need a couple series to adjust angles. He doesn’t “finish” physically on purpose, but he does just because he is so big, fast and a great athlete. He’s not afraid of contact, but doesn’t go after it, likely because coaches have told him, and he knows, that they are short on QBs.

Some on Cats forum are saying Anderson will be the best player on the field, I say they haven’t seen and or are not giving enough credit to Easton Stick—who will be the best player on the field. Don’t thing they realize Stick is 6’2”, 215#s, and every bit of not more fast in pads as Anderson. Stick is also way more agile running the ball. We need to stretch Cats’ outside run game to sidelines (12th defender) by pushing angles.

Defensively I think the Cats are solid on DL, but not great depth. LBs are OK, but not MVFC-like. Their secondary is tested because of BSC play, but they haven’t seen nor dealt with a solid run game that provides for real play-action look. Also, they have not seen the Delta formation runs/play-action that we have, not the TE crew blocking and pass-catching we have.

And, can you say JCox spy/mirroring of Anderson?

We win going away, but first quarter will be one of sizing up the opponent a bit.

Typos are my own cuz posting from IPhone, but you get it. And where’s Burgandy to talk football?!

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There has been talk comparing Andersen to Streveler. The small amount of video I've seen reminds me of him, big, fastish with an awkward running style. What do you think since you've seen him more than most here, Streveler with more speed? We seem to have done a fairly good job of figuring out the run oriented QB, Streveler did little damage against us last year. The 'Cats seem like an average Big Sky team, they lost the games they should have lost and won the games they should have won. Nothing sticks out from their schedule except the wins to close the season, playing bottom half teams to win 3 in a row and make the playoffs.

Except Streveler could pass

Are the bobcats planning on playing 4 quarters or at they quitting after 3 like the last time we met them in the playoffs?

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Are the bobcats planning on playing 4 quarters or at they quitting after 3 like the last time we met them in the playoffs?

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I suspect given their coach they won't quit.

Montana state was 1 play away from being 6-5 !

Yes Troy A looks good at QB , BUT. 6-5 in the big fluffy and beat incarnate word.

Messingham better come out aggressive vs his former team and step on them early

They run a 3-4 on defense and like bring different blitzes including safeties pretty regularly. The d line isn't particularly big or strong, seems like they try to shoot gaps mostly.

From what little I've watched they keep their passing game simple for the quarterback. It is one read then scramble.

Cats had issues with Word's defensive speed (which was above average, but not off the charts). If last week was an indication NDSU's speed on D will be too much for them.

Also, I was not impressed with the Oline. IMO they Needed the running backs as extra blockers to make it work.....not a winning strategy.
QB is a tough kid, but he is not developed. He will not beat SU and he is not the best athlete on the field (he is good, but certainly not the best on the field).

Their kids are tough but are not nearly as physical as we are. Saturday is going to be a real lesson in 4qtr physical, mental football. I think it will be an eye-opener for them....what they think they are doing, but are not doing at the highest level

Bottom line MSU is a few years away, but trending in the right direction

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Cats had issues with Word's defensive speed (which was above average, but not off the charts). If last week was an indication NDSU's speed on D will be too much for them.

Also, I was not impressed with the Oline. IMO they Needed the running backs as extra blockers to make it work.....not a winning strategy.
QB is a tough kid, but he is not developed. He will not beat SU and he is not the best athlete on the field (he is good, but certainly not the best on the field).

Their kids are tough but are not nearly as physical as we are. Saturday is going to be a real lesson in 4qtr physical, mental football. I think it will be an eye-opener for them....what they think they are doing, but are not doing at the highest level

Bottom line MSU is a few years away, but trending in the right direction

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I agree with this assessment. We don't quite have the horses yet to beat a team like NDSU at their own game. We've won the 4th quarter in all of our wins, but haven't been able to do it consistently. However a sign of a mentally and physically strong team is that they get better as the year progresses and we certainly have. We are getting better.

The fact that we lost our 2 year starting QB after spring ball to academic issues, our starting MLB for the season in fall camp, one of our starting RBs from last year for most of the season (only returning RB with significant carries), a transfer RB/FB who had been playing well especially in the blocking game to a career ending injury part way through the season, converted a LB/RB hybrid to QB in summer who can't really throw (although he is getting a lot better), our starting slot WR partway through the year to a season ending injury, had a pro-style QB play well in a few OOC games then break his foot in practice when he was ready to take over for Andersen leaving only a true freshman to backup Andersen, the fact that we made the playoffs to me is a testament to the program Choate is building. Most teams have these kinds of things, to varying degrees, but only programs with a solid culture and depth can overcome them. No we aren't world beaters this year but I really think next year is going to be a pretty big step for the program.

Not counting guys out for the year, against UIW we were missing our starting blocking TE, both our starting corners, and both our DTs played very limited snaps. We were down about 5 of the starters that were crucial pieces to our November run. And we were still able to win by 21 points, albeit against a team who was also without their star QB. Our OL did struggle with their team speed and size initially but it became clear as the game wore on that we were the better conditioned team and ending up imposing our will by the 4th quarter.

But to circle back to your post, we are a team that is gutting out wins, finding ways to win ugly, and part if that is just being more physical and tougher than our opponents. We won't have that on our side on Saturday, and I think we are going to have a really hard time moving the ball, and a hard time stopping the NDSU run game.

Being the toughest team in the Big Fluffy is like being the tallest midget.

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I agree with this assessment. We don't quite have the horses yet to beat a team like NDSU at their own game. We've won the 4th quarter in all of our wins, but haven't been able to do it consistently. However a sign of a mentally and physically strong team is that they get better as the year progresses and we certainly have. We are getting better.

The fact that we lost our 2 year starting QB after spring ball to academic issues, our starting MLB for the season in fall camp, one of our starting RBs from last year for most of the season (only returning RB with significant carries), a transfer RB/FB who had been playing well especially in the blocking game to a career ending injury part way through the season, converted a LB/RB hybrid to QB in summer who can't really throw (although he is getting a lot better), our starting slot WR partway through the year to a season ending injury, had a pro-style QB play well in a few OOC games then break his foot in practice when he was ready to take over for Andersen leaving only a true freshman to backup Andersen, the fact that we made the playoffs to me is a testament to the program Choate is building. Most teams have these kinds of things, to varying degrees, but only programs with a solid culture and depth can overcome them. No we aren't world beaters this year but I really think next year is going to be a pretty big step for the program.

Not counting guys out for the year, against UIW we were missing our starting blocking TE, both our starting corners, and both our DTs played very limited snaps. We were down about 5 of the starters that were crucial pieces to our November run. And we were still able to win by 21 points, albeit against a team who was also without their star QB. Our OL did struggle with their team speed and size initially but it became clear as the game wore on that we were the better conditioned team and ending up imposing our will by the 4th quarter.

But to circle back to your post, we are a team that is gutting out wins, finding ways to win ugly, and part if that is just being more physical and tougher than our opponents. We won't have that on our side on Saturday, and I think we are going to have a really hard time moving the ball, and a hard time stopping the NDSU run game.

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