University of Jamestown to the Great Plains Athletic Conference

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Unfortunately he’s back in a coma and did a trach and feeding tube. Going to try to bring him out again this week.

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Coach Nienhaus is doing much better. Off the ventilator and up and laughing and ready to go home soon

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Originally Posted by pucknut9

Coach Nienhaus is doing much better. Off the ventilator and up and laughing and ready to go home soon

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Good to hear. Been a battle for him.

Coach Nienhaus is coming home tomorrow. Greeting him home at the UJ Place at 1:15. He battled Covid and beat it

He has returned home
https://twitter.com/jimmieathletics/...242437633?s=21

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Originally Posted by pucknut9

He has returned home
https://twitter.com/jimmieathletics/...242437633?s=21

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That is great news. Glad to see him back. Here is to a full recovery and back to normal, whatever that is now a days.

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Coach Nienhaus is coming home tomorrow. Greeting him home at the UJ Place at 1:15. He battled Covid and beat it

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Hell yeah. Jamestown wins again. Eat shit rona

Sounds like in 2 years they will be adding a women’s hockey team. This has been in the talks for 5 years now but it really sounds like it’s going to happen. I hope it does. Will give more opportunities for gals in our state a chance to continue playing a sport they love while obviously getting a great education

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Sounds like in 2 years they will be adding a women’s hockey team. This has been in the talks for 5 years now but it really sounds like it’s going to happen. I hope it does. Will give more opportunities for gals in our state a chance to continue playing a sport they love while obviously getting a great education

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Gotta ask this, pucknut9, how in the world is the University of Jamestown funding all of these outlier sports? I mean women's hockey?? Really?? Some person/persons/corporation has some very deep pockets...…..

Since it is ACHA club hockey the school doesn't really have to commit a lot of resources to the hockey programs. I believe club sports at most colleges are funded partially by student activity fees, so that may provide some support for coach's salaries, etc., but I would guess most of the budget comes from the players. ACHA is a pay-to-play model. Corporate sponsorships would keep hockey tuition costs down, or maybe even make it free. School tuition would be on the student-athletes. It really is not much different than NCAA D3 schools where athletics helps to drive up school enrollment.

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Gotta ask this, pucknut9, how in the world is the University of Jamestown funding all of these outlier sports? I mean women's hockey?? Really?? Some person/persons/corporation has some very deep pockets...…..

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Here is my basic understanding of the UJ model.

UJ is a small school and an absurd amount of their students are there to continue playing sports, or some other extra-curricular activity (music/art stuff comes to mind).

For most of the kids going there, it's not "basketball is paying for my education" but rather "im here because it was an opportunity to keep playing basketball." Since athletics drives enrollment, I suppose it makes sense for them to add sports when they see an opportunity. Anything requiring a gym, football field, soccer field, or hockey arena is covered facilities-wise at this point.

So for them, women's hockey is not going to be the financial drain it was at UND, they'll get 25 new students (or whatever number is on a team) out of the deal paying tuition, the city has an arena, conveniently on or next to the campus, and they can provide coaching opportunities to local and/or young people (IOW cheap).

A few years ago I didn't understand how that place works but I think its starting to make sense now. If you look at sports there the way you look at NDSU/UND, it will make zero sense. For them, its a way to get more essentially guaranteed students at the school. Those recruits have friends, siblings, and significant others too, might snag one or two of them to come to Jamestown or at least raise some awareness.

A few of my friends transferred home from NDSU/UND literally because they missed playing competitive sports too, so the more athletics opportunities they provide, the more of those kids they can grab too.

Tl;dr version: athletics costs them much less, and drives their enrollment rather than just enhancing it like it does at D1 schools.

I'll add, it's crazy the amount of out of state kids that go there to play sports.

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I'll add, it's crazy the amount of out of state kids that go there to play sports.

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A shit ton. Hell, for some of them its likely cheaper to go to Jamestown than it is to stay in-state anyway.

Thanks for the response and answering my question; Bye. if offering more sports drives enrollment up, more power to UJ. I can identify with those who want to continue playing competitively. I, too, transferred from SU to a state college (actually my Dad made me, too much partying in Fargo and all that) to play collegiate baseball. No one on the team received a dime to play. We played because we loved the sport of baseball.

It’s already been said but yes it brings in more students at a very little cost to the school to add sports

Jimmies men’s volleyball team off to a 2-1 start. First home match will be February 16th. Looking forward to seeing them

In the past three years, I have had 2 high school seniors visit Jamestown. Approximately 65% of the students are participating in extra cirricular activities based on UJ info. I found they have used athletics as a way to attract the student to the college when in fact UJ may not have been on the radar screen. Either academically or athletically.

With the amounts offered to participate in sports, the perception of the higher cost private school, very quickly comes in line from a cost standpoint with the state universities.

Thus quickly the cost factor is taken out of the equation. Which then turns to come to UJ and you can play. In both instances my seniors when told D2 and D3 schools you will eventually play, but it will take a year or two. Whereas UJ the opportunity is faster. So then the student (and parent) is comparing cost the same, can play right away. The athletic side becomes more appealing.

The school itself. The university has highly regarded nursing/chemisty/biology programs and well received business school. So the academic aspect looks positive.

Leadership. The current President Polly Pederson has a presence and is growing the school. Both through academics, athletics and the endowment. Although it is a smaller town and a smaller campus, things are happening. UJ place is new student housing for over 100 kids. The Newman Arena is as nice as facility as you are going to find. University and School district are doing a private (UJ) public (school district) private (business community) plan on the campus.

At the end of the day it has to have the right feel for the student. But visiting the university you can see why it holding its own.

Women’s hockey is on its way. Being a former high school girls hockey coach this will give more opportunities for girls in our state to continue to play a sport they love
https://www.jamestownsun.com/sports/...hockey-program

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Women’s hockey is on its way. Being a former high school girls hockey coach this will give more opportunities for girls in our state to continue to play a sport they love
https://www.jamestownsun.com/sports/...hockey-program

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Helps out a couple ways. More money in Jamestown and probably keeps the girls in the state after graduation. Double win

UJ is also adding women’s swimming and diving team next year

@kan1one...that is common of many D3 schools in the Midwest especially. In the conference i officiate in it's not uncommon to have 60-70 freshmen on the football roster of 120 students. They pay a JV schedule to keep as many engaged as possible. They use athletics in general to recruit students to the university knowing many of them will not stick with their sport due to numbers. But once they are on campus for a year and make friends they are not committed to the school even if they do their sport. I've generally heard 40-60% of freshmen at most of these D3 schools are athletes. It's not a bad strategy.

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@kan1one...that is common of many D3 schools in the Midwest especially. In the conference i officiate in it's not uncommon to have 60-70 freshmen on the football roster of 120 students. They pay a JV schedule to keep as many engaged as possible. They use athletics in general to recruit students to the university knowing many of them will not stick with their sport due to numbers. But once they are on campus for a year and make friends they are not committed to the school even if they do their sport. I've generally heard 40-60% of freshmen at most of these D3 schools are athletes. It's not a bad strategy.

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Can D3 offer athletic scholarships or only academic? UJ as an NAIA can do both. Whereas Concordia MN only gives academic. Concordia dropped tuition $15k, but also cut back on financial aid/scholarships, so at the end of the day, the cost was the same. Whereas UJ with the lower cost starting point than Concordia, St. Thomas, St. Johns, (Augustana and U Sioux Falls were about same starting point 32K as UJ). The scholarship UJ offers makes the starting point similar to NDSU. .

So in the case the NAIA school has an advantage of the D3 and to some extent the D2 schools.

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Originally Posted by kab1one

Can D3 offer athletic scholarships or only academic? UJ as an NAIA can do both. Whereas Concordia MN only gives academic. Concordia dropped tuition $15k, but also cut back on financial aid/scholarships, so at the end of the day, the cost was the same. Whereas UJ with the lower cost starting point than Concordia, St. Thomas, St. Johns, (Augustana and U Sioux Falls were about same starting point 32K as UJ). The scholarship UJ offers makes the starting point similar to NDSU. .

So in the case the NAIA school has an advantage of the D3 and to some extent the D2 schools.

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Define "athletic" and "academic." I think I've got these guys buckled down. Private schools all have intimidating sticker prices. But if you fit something they want, they drive the price down through all sorts of scholarships.

My cousin ran at an Ivy. She's smart but not Ivy-smart, she got her price down to about NDSU level. Even after she quit track, still got to keep all of her scholarships because they weren't "athletic", they were "we think you'll do fine here and we'll get the price to a reasonable amount" scholarships.

Another cousin went to Harvard. Wicked smahht. Also paid a similar total as the athlete I believe. What was the one thing they had in common? Similar socioecomics.

One fit in for sports and they knew she'd be fine academically. The other fit in for academics and they knew needed to get the price to a good spot so that going there wouldn't be cost-prohibitive.

For law school, I go to a small private school out east. They offered me some silly 2/3 tuition scholarship for "my achievements in academics" or something silly like that. Well, I had a trash GPA (2.7ish) at NDSU. Granted I did very well on the LSAT but roughly only a point or two above median for my class.

This tells me private schools have high sticker prices that nearly nobody is paying. I'm sure some do pay it. I have some exceptionally wealthy classmates who didn't get into the elite law schools. The types who grew up going to elementary schools that cost 40-50K/year. I suspect those are the only people (adjust by region of country) paying sticker.

So this makes me think they look at a middle class kid and say "let's get the price to where the parents will not be scared shitless" and for the wealthy ones, maybe not so much. This is 100% a theory, and every private school is gonna tinker a bit, but I think it holds water.

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@kan1one...that is common of many D3 schools in the Midwest especially. In the conference i officiate in it's not uncommon to have 60-70 freshmen on the football roster of 120 students. They pay a JV schedule to keep as many engaged as possible. They use athletics in general to recruit students to the university knowing many of them will not stick with their sport due to numbers. But once they are on campus for a year and make friends they are not committed to the school even if they do their sport. I've generally heard 40-60% of freshmen at most of these D3 schools are athletes. It's not a bad strategy.

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NAIA does the same thing. My daughter has been to Presentation College in Aberdeen a few times for indoor soccer events, and they have 304 student athletes with an enrollment of 445. Even Jamestown has 506 student athletes (only 42 less than NDSU) with an enrollment of 867 (all numbers from 2018 OPE)

At a lot of smaller schools, athletics are the only way to maintain or grow enrollment. Basically pay to play for big kids and a way to drive up enrollment.

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NAIA does the same thing. My daughter has been to Presentation College in Aberdeen a few times for indoor soccer events, and they have 304 student athletes with an enrollment of 445. Even Jamestown has 506 student athletes (only 42 less than NDSU) with an enrollment of 867 (all numbers from 2018 OPE)

At a lot of smaller schools, athletics are the only way to maintain or grow enrollment. Basically pay to play for big kids and a way to drive up enrollment.

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I thought i heard that 90% of all Mayville State students are on athletic assistance?

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Originally Posted by kab1one

Can D3 offer athletic scholarships or only academic? UJ as an NAIA can do both. Whereas Concordia MN only gives academic. Concordia dropped tuition $15k, but also cut back on financial aid/scholarships, so at the end of the day, the cost was the same. Whereas UJ with the lower cost starting point than Concordia, St. Thomas, St. Johns, (Augustana and U Sioux Falls were about same starting point 32K as UJ). The scholarship UJ offers makes the starting point similar to NDSU. .

So in the case the NAIA school has an advantage of the D3 and to some extent the D2 schools.

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Only academic for D3. The more they want to recruit an athlete, the more money they will offer. Ability to pay and academic performance will also help. How much depends entirely on the school though. We had an exchange student who was very smart and also a really good swimmer. He was recruited by a couple smaller schools but mostly be a D3 school. Their full cost (tuition/room/board) was $48k/year and they got him down to $14k/year with grants, scholarships, and a small loan (international so wasn't able to borrow money locally). My oldest son applied to another local private school with a total sticker of $62k. They offered him $25k in scholarships, but it was still $37k/year. A friend of ours has a son who was a great baseball player and his scholarships were not much more. Our impression of the school is they target wealthy families from Indy and Chicago (we met a lot of them on campus visits) or low-income minorities. There isn't a lot in between. They also use athletics as a big hook. This isn't necessarily true nationwide, but around here the D3 schools are generally better academic universities than NAIA. NAIA also has fewer academic requirements for eligibility so they can accept students that wouldn't otherwise be approved by NCAA eligibility.

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Define "athletic" and "academic." I think I've got these guys buckled down. Private schools all have intimidating sticker prices. But if you fit something they want, they drive the price down through all sorts of scholarships.

This tells me private schools have high sticker prices that nearly nobody is paying. I'm sure some do pay it. I have some exceptionally wealthy classmates who didn't get into the elite law schools. The types who grew up going to elementary schools that cost 40-50K/year. I suspect those are the only people (adjust by region of country) paying sticker.

So this makes me think they look at a middle class kid and say "let's get the price to where the parents will not be scared shitless" and for the wealthy ones, maybe not so much. This is 100% a theory, and every private school is gonna tinker a bit, but I think it holds water.

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I think there is a lot of truth to this. Some of these schools will determine the cost per student they need to meet their financials. Let's say it's $40k. They can put a sticker price of $65k and offer a scholarship of $20k to most students that doesn't actually cost them anything. They still come out ahead on that student. These schools will often use "meets needs" model and those who have very high FAFSA numbers (ours is 42000 which is a joke!) don't get as much of a financial aid package. International students often pay full freight. In Indiana, Rose-Hulman (one of the top engineering-only schools in the country) has a higher sticker price than Notre Dame. Some of their reputation is based on the cost to attend, and I think a lot of private schools do that.

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I thought i heard that 90% of all Mayville State students are on athletic assistance?

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Very possible and makes sense the smaller the school.

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I thought i heard that 90% of all Mayville State students are on athletic assistance?

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192/604= 32%. Not quite 90%. The receive plenty of state money, reducing the dependence of athletics to drive enrollment.

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Only academic for D3. The more they want to recruit an athlete, the more money they will offer. Ability to pay and academic performance will also help. How much depends entirely on the school though. We had an exchange student who was very smart and also a really good swimmer. He was recruited by a couple smaller schools but mostly be a D3 school. Their full cost (tuition/room/board) was $48k/year and they got him down to $14k/year with grants, scholarships, and a small loan (international so wasn't able to borrow money locally). My oldest son applied to another local private school with a total sticker of $62k. They offered him $25k in scholarships, but it was still $37k/year. A friend of ours has a son who was a great baseball player and his scholarships were not much more. Our impression of the school is they target wealthy families from Indy and Chicago (we met a lot of them on campus visits) or low-income minorities. There isn't a lot in between. They also use athletics as a big hook. This isn't necessarily true nationwide, but around here the D3 schools are generally better academic universities than NAIA. NAIA also has fewer academic requirements for eligibility so they can accept students that wouldn't otherwise be approved by NCAA eligibility.



I think there is a lot of truth to this. Some of these schools will determine the cost per student they need to meet their financials. Let's say it's $40k. They can put a sticker price of $65k and offer a scholarship of $20k to most students that doesn't actually cost them anything. They still come out ahead on that student. These schools will often use "meets needs" model and those who have very high FAFSA numbers (ours is 42000 which is a joke!) don't get as much of a financial aid package. International students often pay full freight. In Indiana, Rose-Hulman (one of the top engineering-only schools in the country) has a higher sticker price than Notre Dame. Some of their reputation is based on the cost to attend, and I think a lot of private schools do that.

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My recent experience with two high school seniors in the past 3 years. St. Johns and St. Thomas started out in the upper 50's to low 60's depending on room and board. Due to scholarship, ACT's and financial aid. Cost in low to mid 20's.

Concordia started in the upper 40's, but "only" dropped to the low 30's. So St. Johns and St. Thomas were 5-10K less expensive than Concordia (Moorhead).

Concordia (and U Sioux Falls) both dropped "top line" tuition by $15K and 10K respectfully. Concordia promptly lower scholarship money. So the net cost dropped from low 30's to High 20K range.

Jamestown started at $32K, and after scholarships low teens.

U Mary was comparable to Jamestown, but as a D2 program you could get money from both Athletics and Academics.

So for the 10-12 private schools the 2 kids looked at the average range was in the 20'S.

Oldest asked is there any difference in an accounting degree from St. Johns or Thomas versus NDSU that you can justify 15K more a year to attend? I said not really, you might meet more people from around the country.

Kid said I'll save the 60K buy a rental house and went to NDSU>

http://www.gpacsports.com/SIDHelp/m/...p#.YD-hl9xMFhE

A player who perhaps should have been offered......*
Maybe roster numbers prevented it, but at least a PWO by NDSU might have made his school choice tougher. Mason Walters and Boden Skunberg were quite the combo on Jamestown’s state championship team.

*wonder if Pucknut & other Jimmies fans think he is a grad transfer prospect in the future???

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http://www.gpacsports.com/SIDHelp/m/...p#.YD-hl9xMFhE

A player who perhaps should have been offered......*
Maybe roster numbers prevented it, but at least a PWO by NDSU might have made his school choice tougher. Mason Walters and Boden Skunberg were quite the combo on Jamestown’s state championship team.

*wonder if Pucknut & other Jimmies fans think he is a grad transfer prospect in the future???

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Walters has really taken his game to new heights at U of J. He is really fun to watch out on the court. Could that transfer to same level of play at D1? With his work ethic I am thinking it would be a yes.

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Walters has really taken his game to new heights at U of J. He is really fun to watch out on the court. Could that transfer to same level of play at D1? With his work ethic I am thinking it would be a yes.

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I agree. Mason has worked his butt off to get bigger and stronger since he joined the Jimmies. He’s gotten to be a beast. Truthfully I thought he would go to the Bison and Skunberg to the Jimmies. On top of that he’s a great kid

Men’s volleyball team ranked #5 in the nation on their first year of existence. Haven’t had a chance to watch them yet but next week I will. Looking forward to it

NAIA Womens Wrestling begins in Jamestown today. Limited attendance. Lives stream I believe thru University of Jamestown.

Jimmie Mens BB punched their ticket to Sweet 16.

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Jimmie Mens BB punched their ticket to Sweet 16.

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And now punched their ticket to the elite 8. Will play Shawnee State University at noon Saturday

Jimmies lose by 11. Had they won it would of been the first time in school history of making the final four. They only lose 2 seniors so a good chance they make another run next year

Jimmies finish regular season with sweep of Dordt

SIOUX CENTER, Iowa-- The fourth-ranked University of Jamestown men's volleyball team ended the regular season with a sweep of Dordt (Iowa) University, winning 25-15, 25-13, and 25-23.

Jamestown, now 18-2 overall and 6-0 in the GPAC, wraps up the GPAC regular season title and will be the top seed in the conference postseason tournament April 9-10 at Harold Newman Arena. Dordt finishes as the second seed with an overall record of 7-10 and 3-3 in conference play.

Jimmies men’s hockey team will play Indiana Tech in the first round of the National tourney. Jimmies are the 10 seed and Indians Tech the 7th seed

Wild one at Jack Brown Stadium today. Jimmies win 18-13 over Concordia after being down 11-3. Wind was blowing out to left center and I lost count of how many went over the fences. One of the craziest games I’ve been to

Both men’s and women’s volleyball teams won their conference tournaments