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[QUOTE=El_Chapo;927618]Strongman absolutely! !

Ok el_chapo research shows 30,000 for $75 million. .... it looks awesome. That's all we need

Hell 40,000 for. $100 million. If NDSU started fundraising tomorrow and advertised it with a big thermometer showing the fundraising status outside the SHAC.. we could hit it in 1 year


Yeah, that's right, my bad. I forgot how quick and easy it was to raise that $18 million for the BSA renovation. $100 million should be no problem!


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Originally Posted by Flow 2-3-4-5

Good for GSU, glad they are doing well because I like their program. But if you think a playoff selection committee would select a non P5 school for a 20 team playoff field you are delusional. There would be no Cinderella teams in March Madness if it was only a 20 team tournament. The big boys aren't going to share. Why do you think they decided to set their own rules?


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The current playoff system makes all teams eligible for the playoffs. They won't change that because to do so would be illegal--a violation of federal antitrust law.

Your statement is simply not true. Even if they don't have automatic bids to non Big Five teams. There are always 2 to 4 teams in the top 20 that are not in the Big 5. Currently, there are two teams.

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Originally Posted by Strongman

The current playoff system makes all teams eligible for the playoffs. They won't change that because to do so would be illegal--a violation of federal antitrust law.

Your statement is simply not true. Even if they don't have automatic bids to non Big Five teams. There are always 2 to 4 teams in the top 20 that are not in the Big 5. Currently, there are two teams.

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You keep beating that drum.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Strongman absolutely! !

Ok el_chapo research shows 30,000 for $75 million. .... it looks awesome. That's all we need

Hell 40,000 for. $100 million. If NDSU started fundraising tomorrow and advertised it with a big thermometer showing the fundraising status outside the SHAC.. we could hit it in 1 year


Yeah, that's right, my bad. I forgot how quick and easy it was to raise that $18 million for the BSA renovation. $100 million should be no problem!


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Raising $100 million for football would be 100 times easier than $40 million for basketball. You are kidding right? Football is king fool

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Originally Posted by Strongman

The current playoff system makes all teams eligible for the playoffs. They won't change that because to do so would be illegal--a violation of federal antitrust law.

Your statement is simply not true. Even if they don't have automatic bids to non Big Five teams. There are always 2 to 4 teams in the top 20 that are not in the Big 5. Currently, there are two teams.

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Being eligible and being selected are two different things me boy! If a team isn't in one of the P5 conferences the latter ain't happenin.


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At 4 teams correct. At 16 or 20 teams incorrect.

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Originally Posted by Strongman

At 4 teams correct. At 16 or 20 teams incorrect.

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So this is a fact?

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Originally Posted by Flow 2-3-4-5

Good for GSU, glad they are doing well because I like their program. But if you think a playoff selection committee would select a non P5 school for a 20 team playoff field you are delusional. There would be no Cinderella teams in March Madness if it was only a 20 team tournament. The big boys aren't going to share. Why do you think they decided to set their own rules?


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Georgia Southern would have to get a waiver approved if there weren't enough teams. But as far as I can tell, teams in similar situations with bowl eligible records have always had their waiver denied.

We'll all be dead by the time the playoffs expand to 20 teams.

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Originally Posted by natstar1

We'll all be dead by the time the playoffs expand to 20 teams.

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Yeah but I really like the big red thermometer thing. We need to get on this! It will put us over the top!!!!!!!

IMO, I don't see the "College Football Playoff" expanding to more than 8 teams before all of football becomes NCAA Flag Football.

Spent 3 hours at vikings tailgating. Literally had 20-25 people come up to our bison flag and say. "Why the hell isn't NDSU FBS" "you guys are just wasting away in the fcs when you could be making national highlights weekly"

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Spent 3 hours at vikings tailgating. Literally had 20-25 people come up to our bison flag and say. "Why the hell isn't NDSU FBS" "you guys are just wasting away in the fcs when you could be making national highlights weekly"

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And yet as an FCS team we are more nationally relelvant than the Goophers.

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Originally Posted by missingnumber7

And yet as an FCS team we are more nationally relelvant than the Goophers.

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We must also take in to account the "elcheapo Mathematical probabilities of truthiness ." First you take 50% and just toss it out the window---never happened. Then you take 50% of whats left and get rid of it as well because said probability is 90 % to 10% it never happened. So now you are down to 25% of the original number. The you half that number as it was probably people who saw the NDSU swag and just acknowledged his presence. Which leaves 12.5%=3 people of which they mentioned NDSU and Elcheapo engaged them in FBS talk.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Spent 3 hours at vikings tailgating. Literally had 20-25 people come up to our bison flag and say. "Why the hell isn't NDSU FBS" "you guys are just wasting away in the fcs when you could be making national highlights weekly"

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just watched national highlights and didnt see any MAC or MWC highlights

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Originally Posted by SamsRams

just watched national highlights and didnt see any MAC or MWC highlights

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What about Boise Sta...., um Northern Ill....., um...

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Spent 3 hours at vikings tailgating. Literally had 20-25 people come up to our bison flag and say. "Why the hell isn't NDSU FBS" "you guys are just wasting away in the fcs when you could be making national highlights weekly"

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this is what's terrifying me the most...is how the national picture see's and pays attention to what NDSU is doing on the college football landscape. Its unheard of, but if/when they fall off the horse and are unable to get back up...we may never see an opportunity like this again.


Glad to see you out there spreading the word, Chapo...wouldnt be shocked to see 20-25 turn into 225-250 as you attend Viking games this season..keep on keeping on!

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Originally Posted by SamsRams

just watched national highlights and didnt see any MAC or MWC highlights

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Nothing more needs to be said. That's the perfect response in one sentence.

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Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10

this is what's terrifying me the most...is how the national picture see's and pays attention to what NDSU is doing on the college football landscape. Its unheard of, but if/when they fall off the horse and are unable to get back up...we may never see an opportunity like this again.


Glad to see you out there spreading the word, Chapo...wouldnt be shocked to see 20-25 turn into 225-250 as you attend Viking games this season..keep on keeping on!

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Yep, you're right most sports fans think of NDSU over Boise State. yep.

30 straight 49-2. No one will answer the question. WHEN IS ENOUGH ENOUGH?

50 straight 70-2? 99-3?

We are the best of the lousiest and the longer went stay in the fcs the more NDSU gets dragged down to the other dakotas/uni levels of mediocrity!

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Originally Posted by SamsRams

just watched national highlights and didnt see any MAC or MWC highlights

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so is that for just this past week?

Sounds like MAC and MWC just tied the Valley's total for the entire season

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Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10

so is that for just this past week?

Sounds like MAC and MWC just tied the Valley's total for the entire season

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You mean like all those MAC and MWC conference teams that have hosted Gameday in back to back years?

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Originally Posted by missingnumber7

You mean like all those MAC and MWC conference teams that have hosted Gameday in back to back years?

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Yep. better stay FCS for that reason alone. LOL

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Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10

Yep. better stay FCS for that reason alone. LOL

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You guys are screaming for a move up when they are still fighting over how things are going to be. Why not let them fight it out, and then make a decision then, instead of turning into Western Kentucky who owned D1-aa and has turned into nothing. What are you going to sell 85 players on, some crappy bowl game in some half empty stadium, or you going to sell 65 players on playing for a national championship. I'll take national championships over bowl games anyday.

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Originally Posted by missingnumber7

You guys are screaming for a move up when they are still fighting over how things are going to be. Why not let them fight it out, and then make a decision then, instead of turning into Western Kentucky who owned D1-aa and has turned into nothing. What are you going to sell 85 players on, some crappy bowl game in some half empty stadium, or you going to sell 65 players on playing for a national championship. I'll take national championships over bowl games anyday.

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National championships most people outside of FCS would have a hard time knowing who won? I'd bet 90% of analysts/fans/FBS AD's etc. couldn't name the last team to win a FCS championship before NDSU.

This site spooges their damn pants if NDSU is featured on FS1 with a bottom feeder B12 team...why not try getting on ESPN U/CBSSN/FS1 etc with our own home games playing bigger programs?

Honestly, its all about getting more respect for NDSU than winning national championships at an FCS level. I think the program can grow immensely bigger from that alone than playing the FCS game. All it takes is another guy with a vision with how things are trending.

And you couldn't name off the top of your head who won 95% of the bowls that were played last year. And don't fool yourself. Those would be the bowls NDSU would get stuck playing in.

TSCF it will continue to be treated like mount union's streak

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

TSCF it will continue to be treated like mount union's streak

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Why is that chapo? :hide:

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Originally Posted by BisonNation11

And you couldn't name off the top of your head who won 95% of the bowls that were played last year. And don't fool yourself. Those would be the bowls NDSU would get stuck playing in.

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Yea..fallback onto the tired shitbowl.com argument when there's no denying that a move up would only help the program grow.



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BOWL games are a big deal marketing/exposure wise why are people in minneapolis and iowa city splooging over the "possibility" of getting into 1?

NDSU is viewed the same as Mount Union, to be honest. Stony Brook AD with no desire to improve this university is our next newest hurdle in the PRO-FBS crowd, maybe at the alumni center tomorrow night he will say something to shake things up, but he's already just happy improving from the #2 guy at Stony Brook to NDSU.

Furthermore, MAC & MWC have ESPN TV rights, Valley has nothing, zip , zilch. We have ALREADY PROVED OURSELVES HERE, STAYING FCS WILL ONLY ALLOW FOR STAGNATION AND DECLINE.

FCS championships ranks #28 after all the other bowls according to these tv ratings going up against a Umass vs Villinova basketball game.

Who won the MAC last year? What bowl did they play in? How did they do?

Now, my assertion on FBS is simple. B1G or B12. Get a conference invite from either of those and I will become a vocal and provide needed support for the move. However, please stop with the MAC and Mountain West dialog. There is no gain to NDSU to move to any of the G5 conferences. I believe it would be a net down move.

If you want to set goals, set them high. Mediocre goals are only for show. Be BIG or be small.

I am all for the MWC, it would be a massive step up but there is this whole invite thing we have talked about eleventy billion times. Call me when they have an interest in expanding. Not sure how you guys can ramble on and on about it.

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Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10

Yea..fallback onto the tired shitbowl.com argument when there's no denying that a move up would only help the program grow.



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Yep, it sure has helped Western Ky, UMass, ODU and App State.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

BOWL games are a big deal marketing/exposure wise why are people in minneapolis and iowa city splooging over the "possibility" of getting into 1?

NDSU is viewed the same as Mount Union, to be honest. Stony Brook AD with no desire to improve this university is our next newest hurdle in the PRO-FBS crowd, maybe at the alumni center tomorrow night he will say something to shake things up, but he's already just happy improving from the #2 guy at Stony Brook to NDSU.

Furthermore, MAC & MWC have ESPN TV rights, Valley has nothing, zip , zilch. We have ALREADY PROVED OURSELVES HERE, STAYING FCS WILL ONLY ALLOW FOR STAGNATION AND DECLINE.

FCS championships ranks #28 after all the other bowls according to these tv ratings going up against a Umass vs Villinova basketball game.

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2 years ago it did.

Again you refer to the TV rights, but how many home games in Sept did the MAC or MWC have during the afternoon that were on ESPN? You are willing to sell your soul for November night time tailgating on a Tuesday or Wednesday. Watch attendance drop during those games because A) its a school night and B) why go out when you can just watch the game on ESPN. And for your argument about its once everyother year...go look at schedules for the past 3 years for weeknight games in november with the MAC. Its not the case. The only teams that haven't been totally screwed by the weeknight games are the directional Michigan schools. When I played, the best part about college football was Saturday afternoon. That was college football time, I love that NDSU has taken that same view and is playing all our games this year in the afternoon. (would be even better if they all started at the same time the national championship game did)

I'm all for FBS at the right time. But that time is not now. Let them screw up their cute little 4 team playoff for a couple seasons and then see where its at.

Looking down your pointy noses at FBS teams and conferences is laughable by some of you. You have probably never been out of the fargo area and see what happens when you pimp NDSU. Look at the top 25 fcs teams and laugh.

NDSU is a top 100 research university playing with 200 ranked university's. Yet some of you would rather play paddy cake with sdsu und usd.....

The MWC has a great TV deal, it should never be compared to the MAC. Lots of Saturday games, there are some primetime Thursday and Friday games. Also nice coverage for basketball, the MWC is a legit conference, a conference that will probably never want to invite us but nonetheless it is a great league.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Looking down your pointy noses at FBS teams and conferences is laughable by some of you. You have probably never been out of the fargo area and see what happens when you pimp NDSU. Look at the top 25 fcs teams and laugh.

NDSU is a top 100 research university playing with 200 ranked university's. Yet some of you would rather play paddy cake with sdsu und usd.....

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I would prefer you promote NDSU. Unless of course you really mean pimp. Think about it.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Looking down your pointy noses at FBS teams and conferences is laughable by some of you. You have probably never been out of the fargo area and see what happens when you pimp NDSU. Look at the top 25 fcs teams and laugh.

NDSU is a top 100 research university playing with 200 ranked university's. Yet some of you would rather play paddy cake with sdsu und usd.....

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I haven't spent more than 3 consecutive days in Fargo in well over a decade, and I think, at this time, moving up is not the correct thing for NDSU Football.

The juice isn't worth the squeeze at the next level in the current structure. All the benefits would go to administrators and none to the program.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

BOWL games are a big deal marketing/exposure wise why are people in minneapolis and iowa city splooging over the "possibility" of getting into 1?

NDSU is viewed the same as Mount Union, to be honest. Stony Brook AD with no desire to improve this university is our next newest hurdle in the PRO-FBS crowd, maybe at the alumni center tomorrow night he will say something to shake things up, but he's already just happy improving from the #2 guy at Stony Brook to NDSU.

Furthermore, MAC & MWC have ESPN TV rights, Valley has nothing, zip , zilch. We have ALREADY PROVED OURSELVES HERE, STAYING FCS WILL ONLY ALLOW FOR STAGNATION AND DECLINE.

FCS championships ranks #28 after all the other bowls according to these tv ratings going up against a Umass vs Villinova basketball game.

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I swore I wouldn't let this stuff under my skin, but really...where do you come up with this stuff? The guy hasn't started his job yet and you somehow, magically, know what he's about and where his goals lie? He's highly recommended by dozens of professionals in the field, including GT, and somehow you have some insight or supposed knowledge of this situation that leads to damning a guy before he steps foot on campus. For me, that's douchebaggery in its highest form. I hope someone points you out, and provides a recap of all the sh!t you've been yakking about him.