2010 Recruiting

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Originally Posted by tjbison

Wasn't meant the way you took it, I know we would use the playoffs as an advantage but instead of hardcore recruiting it sounds like stig is just hanging out thinking they will come its SDSU! look at some other programs their coaches hit the trail the night after the last game! They don't hang out at home that's all I'm saying

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I would be very surprised if they havent already been doing some hard core recruiting. May be they just dont tell the media when they do it to make themselves look good..
I guess I dont understand people giving SDSU short shift in there effort-recruiting when its obvious that they are doing something right. Trust me when I say Iam no fan of the bunnies but I do give credit where its due.

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Originally Posted by Grizzled

If your post is true than we honestly need to fire our whole staff. I've heard how talented we are a couple handful of times now and I'm trying to figure it out. Talent alone should have beat some of the teams we lost to this year. Not all but some. UNI is a team that has talent and no coaching and just lines up and says "our athletes are better than yours", usually they are and it works. When a team goes 6-5 and than 3-8 there is a lack of talent. I wouldn't be telling a team that made the playoffs we have more talent, cause if we do and our coaching is that bad what do we have to lose by letting them all go? I was at the SDSU game and they had more talent than we had in my opinion.

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Well maybe we need to define talent to make this a discussion. I define talent in terms of recruiting as athleticism. Does athleticism make you a great football player, no. But most of the time recruiting is done on the basis of athleticism. Don't believe me, ask someone who recruits, as I have. Most college recruiters feel they can teach someone how to be a better football player if the raw athleticism is there, we have better athletes than SDSU, IMO. It is on that basis that I feel we have more talent than SDSU. I wouldn't say our coaching is that bad, we were in every game this year and as anyone who knows football can tell you, games are won and lost on 5-7 plays a game. The team who comes up big on those 5-7 plays usually wins a football game. We aren't that far off. We gave Southern Illinois who is making a nice run for the championship all they could ever want. A team without talent can't do that. Go up and down the roster between us and SDSU and tell me they have a better "athlete" at that position.

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Originally Posted by Rabbitlivinginverm

This is how Stig has always done it. Seems to be working pretty well, don't you think?

Your obsession with SDSU athletics and its fans just amazes me. I'm sure you'll have some smart ass reply laced with bunny turds, piss poor fans, what am I (an SDSU fan) doing on bisonville anyway, yada, yada, yada. Can't wait!

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Says the Rabbit fan on the NDSU board.

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Originally Posted by Bison06

Well maybe we need to define talent to make this a discussion. I define talent in terms of recruiting as athleticism. Does athleticism make you a great football player, no. But most of the time recruiting is done on the basis of athleticism. Don't believe me, ask someone who recruits, as I have. Most college recruiters feel they can teach someone how to be a better football player if the raw athleticism is there, we have better athletes than SDSU, IMO. It is on that basis that I feel we have more talent than SDSU. I wouldn't say our coaching is that bad, we were in every game this year and as anyone who knows football can tell you, games are won and lost on 5-7 plays a game. The team who comes up big on those 5-7 plays usually wins a football game. We aren't that far off. We gave Southern Illinois who is making a nice run for the championship all they could ever want. A team without talent can't do that. Go up and down the roster between us and SDSU and tell me they have a better "athlete" at that position.

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I hear what your saying but since we are talking football I'll take the better football players over better athletes. There is a difference in my opinion. I'll save the upside talk for the NBA draft. After watching the Bison/Bunnies game the last 5 years I would say there are positions they have better football players at and postions we have better football players at. I don't know about athletes and who would win in a game of basketball or which team would win a track meet. I'm just judging by the results on the field.

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Just because a recruit is listed on "scouts or rivals" doesn't make them a better recruit than one that isn't. There isn't really an accurate way to measure who has the better recruiting class from SDSU and NDSU besides looking back 4 years later. (SDSU's recruiting class from 05 was better than NDSU's but I'm guessing NDSU fans felt differently in 05)

A good example is WR Trevor Tiefenthaler. His dad is one of the top three WR ever at SDSU. Trevor dominated at DB, QB, & WR for a small Iowa school and was a 400 meter champ in Iowa with a 48 second 400. He never appeared on a scouting site but has been great at practice as a freshman and is projected to be starting at WR next year. I would be willing to bet that he is as good as Cooper Wahlo Jr but because Cooper was on Rivals people think he is a better recruit.

Some other notes are that Coach Stig says he goes about recruiting differently in that he doesn't pay attention to speed and 40 times as much but is concerned more if the player is a leader and is a "football player". He also refers to his team as a blue collar/hard working team, but as SIU Coach Lennon said, Don't let them fool you with their blue collar talk, SDSU has some of the better playmakers and athletes in the conference.

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Originally Posted by Bison06

Has it been working pretty well? I would argue no, when it comes to recruiting. NDSU still has a more talented team when it comes to recruits, for whatever reason(coaching, pride, leadership) SDSU has been better on the field the last few years. I think most objective viewers would have a hard time saying that SDSU has more talent than NDSU. To not have any verbals this time of year would be concerning to me as a fan. Maybe if recruiting improved, SDSU could become a powerhouse the way NDSU is considered nationally. Obviously we are down now, but you and everyone else knows that a team and a program like NDSU can only be down before so long before we emerge just as strong if not stronger than before. That type of certaintly in a program only comes from great recruiting. SDSU has done well, but most recruits when given the opportunity will come to NDSU over SDSU, history shows us that.

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I think that we as Bison fans think some of our kids our more talented than what they really are. We want these kids to succeed. We have high expectations for them. And when our team sucks and the kid doesn't perform as expected we often blame it on bad luck, bad coaching, wrong system etc. Maybe all along the kid just wasn't talented. As for us being more talented than SDSU, that's extremely subjective. How do you judge talent? Statistics? Wins? In either case an outsider would probably side with SDSU. They been more successful recently.

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Originally Posted by JacksFan06

A couple points...

Just because a recruit is listed on "scouts or rivals" doesn't make them a better recruit than one that isn't. There isn't really an accurate way to measure who has the better recruiting class from SDSU and NDSU besides looking back 4 years later. (SDSU's recruiting class from 05 was better than NDSU's but I'm guessing NDSU fans felt differently in 05)

A good example is WR Trevor Tiefenthaler. His dad is one of the top three WR ever at SDSU. Trevor dominated at DB, QB, & WR for a small Iowa school and was a 400 meter champ in Iowa with a 48 second 400. He never appeared on a scouting site but has been great at practice as a freshman and is projected to be starting at WR next year. I would be willing to bet that he is as good as Cooper Wahlo Jr but because Cooper was on Rivals people think he is a better recruit.

Some other notes are that Coach Stig says he goes about recruiting differently in that he doesn't pay attention to speed and 40 times as much but is concerned more if the player is a leader and is a "football player". He also refers to his team as a blue collar/hard working team, but as SIU Coach Lennon said, Don't let them fool you with their blue collar talk, SDSU has some of the better playmakers and athletes in the conference.

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OK, you had me nodding my head until you pulled out the Lennon comment.

In the future, don't use the former UND coach as a source. It doesn't add to your post, it does the opposite. Consider yourself warned. Other than that little slip, good post.

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Originally Posted by JacksFan06

A couple points...

Just because a recruit is listed on "scouts or rivals" doesn't make them a better recruit than one that isn't. There isn't really an accurate way to measure who has the better recruiting class from SDSU and NDSU besides looking back 4 years later. (SDSU's recruiting class from 05 was better than NDSU's but I'm guessing NDSU fans felt differently in 05)

A good example is WR Trevor Tiefenthaler. His dad is one of the top three WR ever at SDSU. Trevor dominated at DB, QB, & WR for a small Iowa school and was a 400 meter champ in Iowa with a 48 second 400. He never appeared on a scouting site but has been great at practice as a freshman and is projected to be starting at WR next year. I would be willing to bet that he is as good as Cooper Wahlo Jr but because Cooper was on Rivals people think he is a better recruit.

Some other notes are that Coach Stig says he goes about recruiting differently in that he doesn't pay attention to speed and 40 times as much but is concerned more if the player is a leader and is a "football player". He also refers to his team as a blue collar/hard working team, but as SIU Coach Lennon said, Don't let them fool you with their blue collar talk, SDSU has some of the better playmakers and athletes in the conference.

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All valid points and I couldn't agree more about rivals and/or scouts. Being from ND I am well aware that some of the greatest talent out there can easily fly under the radar. With that said, let's look at head to head recruiting, which comes up pretty often with our teams. Based on history, and correct me if I am wrong, I would say 8-9 out of 10 kids that has been given the opportunity to attend both SDSU and NDSU all things being equal(scholarship money) has chosen NDSU. Now to me that isn't necessarily a direct correlation to our coaches ability to recruit as there are other variables to consider, but it shows that NDSU as an entity is able to recruit better than SDSU. You can only conclude that if we are after the same kid, we both want them to attend our respective school, if they choose NDSU and SDSU is forced to take their second choice than NDSU has the better athlete in that situation. I have a lot of respect for SDSU, so I wouldn't like my comments to be taken as me thinking NDSU is king and all others should bow before us. I just think that between NDSU and SDSU we do a better job recruiting. Kudos to SDSU for taking "less talent" and winning more games with it.

Lennon is still using ALL jerry kill recruits too. he left that cupboard STACKED.

A recap:

1. What month a recruit verbals (September or January) doesn't have a bearing on how good a recruit is.

2. Judging a recruit's ability by the inaccurate Rivals or Scouts doesn't hold much ground.

3. SDSU's team is more athletic than Bisonville gives them credit for, but Stig does hold a premium to "football players" rather than track stars.

4. "bunny turds" are reading/posting on Bisonville because we are football fans and enjoy following teams in the area (SDSU, NDSU, UNI, USD) and conference foes.
I read SDSUfans, Bisonville, PantherNation, SalukiTalk, Anygivensaturday, and other teams during game week. I don't post on all these boards because they don't typically talk much about SDSU. Rabbit fans post here because there is always a poster like SDBison who tries trashing sdsu, so we come out of the woodwork to defend our team.
A little back & forth between fans can be entertaining though and helps pass the long work days. My suggestion to keep the rabbit infestation down to a minimum is too stop bringing them up... ehem... sdbison.

Cheers and happy holidays out there to the rest of bisonville.