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That’s just it. Boise leaves and there’s the most appealing conference mate. Outside of that there isn’t a team that most casual has a clue about.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
We have traveled well to Frisco and our FBS games but there’s no way our fan base travels that well week in week out as a whole when games are +1000 miles away.
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Doesn't mean there isn't a planQuote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
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I am guessing they have contingency plans in case things blow up suddenly and so forth. I’m just saying that they’ve told us that this is not something they are pursuing. Nothing would make me happier than to find out that’s just what they had to say publicly and in fact they’ve been doing much more behind the scenes.Quote:
Originally Posted by westnodak93bison
i wouldn't say that Boise is the only name in the MWC that matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by wagsabison
Games against Wyoming, Colorado State and AirForce, UNLV would be a draw not to mention road games in Las Vegas, Denver and California... Fans travelling to games would go down for sure but the home games would be MUCH more exciting than they are now.
Our desire to go FBS should have nothing to do with how well we travel as a fan base.
I bet it takes less then 9 mwc championships in a row to get bored with the mountain west.
Remembering how SDSU stuck with us in the move to DI, I would love to keep the two schools a package deal to FBS. At least then we would have one bus trip in the MWC or MAC.
Also, it isn't going to happen.
and besides the 2500-3000 fans at SDSU every other year, NDSU fans arent travelling too many other places.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
Plus the ALumni in those parts of the country will love it and You cant tell me we dont take thousands to Vegas, Colorado, Wyoming, San Diego? we will!
and dont give me the travel expense BS. Terra Haute, Youngstown are just as far as Colorado ST, Air Force, Wyoming
Denver?Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
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We have a pretty small alumni base relatively speaking. Thousands aren’t traveling on a consistent basis. That’s all I’m saying.
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Originally Posted by Hammersmith
If we just want our foot in the door then I'm for going Independent rather then tying ourselves to some far ranging conference for all sports. That would be a huge drain on our finances and no way out guaranteed. As an Indy we can keep our other sports in the Summit. We can make a scheduling alliance with the other Indy's. If a better conference offer comes along we can jump at it, in the mean time continue to grow our budget, facilities and improve all our sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
I'm with ya.Quote:
Originally Posted by wagsabison
I dont turn on a football game on Saturday afternoon whether it's a home game or a road game and wonder "did enough road team fans show up?!?"
Totally get the whole "I like being able to drive to road games" thing but that would be a weird sticking point to opposing FBS. There was a time not so long ago when people were fine moving to FCS despite games being further away, wasnt NDSU hoping to join the freakin' Big Sky?
Mountain West would be cool. If the school took another step up and did well there, could be a new launching point for later hypothetically I suppose.
NDSU would be behind on facilities. Go look at South Alabamas IPF on NFL Network.
Fort Collins is about an hour away from Denver. It's a really cool college town but people would also use the opportunity to do Denver, Mountains, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher Moen
Yep, basically the same difference between Denver and Colorado Springs, especially since the USAFA is on the North side just across I-25 from the MW office building (I drive by it pretty much every time I go to bri-dog's watch parties). However, the enthusiasm for both teams isn't that great.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
Not sure why enthusiasm would be too important. If NDSU got Rutgers on the schedule a lot of people would use it as an excuse to visit NYC or Philly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher Moen
MWC has some neat destinations to check out and some real stinkers too.
The enthusiasm of both fanbases suck, that's important.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
Gene Taylor's was quoted as saying they had talked to the mwc in regard to adding teams and expansion if it were to happen he wanted ndsu to be in the conversation.. so yes it has been talked about. You can also bet all of that information has been passed on to Matt. You can also bet tha Matt and ndsu know exactly what it takes to make the move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
One must also remember that ADs are one one big fraternity and they all know each other and talk.
The only way I see NDSU being able to make it happen is with the Fargodome for at least another 10 years and getting the full conference TV share from the beginning. Kind of like taking Boise State's spot as a full member. Then, is it even feasible to jump in as an all-sports member? Can NDSU be Hawaii east and go football only? The Summit is probably a much better footprint and timezone-wise for travel. Does dominance pave the way to P5? Could a decade of dominating the MWC lead to a Big 12 invite? If it does, will the state get on board with this? There is barely any way the MWC could happen without more support from the state but there is no way anything larger would happen without the state's support. This could look like un_ moving back down in all sports to support one big time D1 facility in the state.
The one thing that can't be lost in all of this is NDSU is one of only a handful of programs on any level that is as close to self-sustainment in athletics as possible for a state school. If there was any kind of move, this could possibly upset this balance. It is feasible NDSU could ride this train for a long time of dominating FCS and being semi-profitable in doing so. Even if it gets boring, people are still buying season tickets. I don't see that dropping off anytime soon.
I fully expect NDSU will be completely silent on the subject until when/if any deal is done. To start talking about it publicly would destabilize the Summit, which NDSU does not want to do in case any FBS talks would fall through. NDSU needs the Summit to stay healthy and as stable as possible right up until the moment a new conference deal is inked. With that in mind, I would suggest that no news on the subject means nothing either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
Exactly........Quote:
Originally Posted by wagsabison
Well, there is no way NDSU AD can be completely silent. That would include major/mid-major donors not being made aware and who have made this entire run happen to a great extent out of their pocketbooks. The “State of North Dakota” pocketbook, on the other hand, will never contribute significantly. Too much jealousy and parochialism in the legislature for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammersmith
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I wonder if we will ever be able to move up without dragging UND along.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAS4127
Why? They didn’t want to come last time and when they finally did it hasn’t worked for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vet70
I can't believe that whether it works or not for them they would allow us to be the only FBS school in the state. I could very well be wrong.
You’re not wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vet70
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Butt Hockey...Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
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They are a load stone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vet70
Well, according to a statewide poll published in the Forum, it looks like the majority of us want to stay FCS. The only people that want us to move up are UND hockey fans (seriously). And we are by far the most popular college team in the state, way above un_ hockey. Read it for yourself. https://www.inforum.com/bison-media-...FCS-poll-finds
Here's an easier to see version of the poll questions and answers: https://www.scribd.com/document/4441...vey#from_embed
There's no doubt in my mind that if NDSU moved up and they only wanted NDSU, und would drop FB.
Nah, they'd keep it. They are willing to tolerate not doing well as long as hockey is safe and sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison Dan
Sammy’s reaction while reading this:Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU1980
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That's actually my reaction too. McFeely says a "strong plurality" in favor of staying in FCS. 36% FCS to 30% for FBS, with the remainder unsure or not caring, is not a strong plurality. 45-49% for FCS, with all other options in the teens or single digits, would be a strong plurality. As it is, the sentiment of fans regarding FCS vs. FBS is relatively evenly divided.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher Moen
I hate polls like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
I do find it amusing how support for FBS goes down the with older folks. Something tells me the people writing the checks are a little skeptical of writing much bigger checks for an unknown benefit.
Maybe they should have asked how many are willing to pony up SERIOUS money to move to FBS. Let's see how want to move up when they have to pay. I'd love a lot of things too if it involved someone else's money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
If a poll was done prior to the move to D1, i'm sure that those in favor of staying in D2 would have been MUCH higher. The reality is that in general people think that we have a good thing going in the FCS so why take a risk and ruin it. The sad reality is however that we have grown too big for FCS. There is no parity in the FCS and each time we win a Natty it is diminished.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
Among NDSU fans it was 48-27.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
Also, it looks like there were only 3 responses (don’t care and unsure are just two ways of saying ‘undecided’) so your idea of what a strong plurality is doesn’t work mathematically.
Well then, McFeely shouldn't have characterized it as a strong plurality if it's not possible to have one based on limited number of response choices. Bottom line...the sentiment is evenly divided among 3 responses available (if you combine unsure and don't care). Heck, the margin of error is practically 6%. And, it isn't accurate to say 48-27% among Bison fans. It was 48-27% among fans for whom Bison football is their favorite team. There are plenty of UND hockey fans and Vikings fans who also like the Bison. I think just about every doctor and lawyer I know was a NDSU undergrad and a UND law/med school grad. Dual loyalty is thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
You guys lost me at forum.
The answer to that question was made when they offered tickets in the sec they took away from the students. Tons of people were called that were on the supposed list and a ton turned them down.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU1980
Well the Turtle Mountain Times didn’t run this poll so therefore I didn’t know about it and demand a recount!