A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by SoCalBison

This isn't a case to move up now, but I just had a vision of how things could decline the longer a move takes to develop.

NDSU's funding stagnates or declines (as it does periodically) and college leadership considers the lessened fan interest in football, despite the continuing success of the program on the field. Knowing that NDSU can continue to beat 90% of FCS even with no new, or even fewer, resources, the administration's commitment, fiscal and other, declines. The team would still win, but the number of wins each year could be expected to decline as parity returns to FCS. After a few more years, no one here would be talking FBS.

Hope this is just my dystopian nightmare...

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I can say with 100% confidence this will never happen. I went back to look at some "where were we at 10 years ago" threads towards the tail end of that awful 2009 season and there was plenty of FBS chatter then... for a football team that was a 3-8 MVFC bottom feeder.

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Originally Posted by SlickVic

This is where I'm at guy, well stated---------many. Have said wait until 2024 when tv contracts and current playoff contracts are up, wait for the p5/g5 slip then see what happens--------but what happens if the expand the playoffs to a "March madness" contract where Cinderella gets a shot? Good luck moving up after that....the stakes are high and so am I!!! Really enjoying these discussions by the way, keep it up bisonville!

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If this would happen (and I have little confidence that the P5 would ever allow it) NDSU would become a sought after addition to any G5 conference because then the quality of the team/program becomes a top priority for conferences regardless of home market, geography, etc.

We need to keep in mind that with the Soy and Sugar beet catastrophes that the next 2-3 years might not be good for donations and fund raising

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

So what do you say to millions of fans of UCLA, Arizona , Iowa, Tennessee etc. Teams that will NEVER win a National Title? should they drop down to FCS so they can win championships?


and once again the AAC would be FOOTBALL ONLY.

MAC/MWC would be for all sports (which would help our other sports too!) can you imagine the jump in talent?

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ummm.... what?

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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos

I can say with 100% confidence this will never happen. I went back to look at some "where were we at 10 years ago" threads towards the tail end of that awful 2009 season and there was plenty of FBS chatter then... for a football team that was a 3-8 MVFC bottom feeder.


If this would happen (and I have little confidence that the P5 would ever allow it) NDSU would become a sought after addition to any G5 conference because then the quality of the team/program becomes a top priority for conferences regardless of home market, geography, etc.

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So it is about "competition"? I would think that unlike basketball where you need a number of teams to fill 30 game schedules, football conferences would b alot more protective of there "share"-------i really have no idea how any of this works, but I just don't see how kicking out half the shools at the highest level of division 1 football makes any sense (a p5\g5 "split")

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Originally Posted by SlickVic

So it is about "competition"? I would think that unlike basketball where you need a number of teams to fill 30 game schedules, football conferences would b alot more protective of there "share"-------i really have no idea how any of this works, but I just don't see how kicking out half the shools at the highest level of division 1 football makes any sense (a p5\g5 "split")

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I think if they change the playoff so a G5 conference could get an automatic bid like you suggested it helps NDSU's pitch to G5 conferences. I don't think the quality of the team/program plays as big of a factor now as it would in that scenario.

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Originally Posted by SlickVic

This is where I'm at guy, well stated---------many. Have said wait until 2024 when tv contracts and current playoff contracts are up, wait for the p5/g5 slip then see what happens--------but what happens if the expand the playoffs to a "March madness" contract where Cinderella gets a shot? Good luck moving up after that....the stakes are high and so am I!!! Really enjoying these discussions by the way, keep it up bisonville!

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Remember the P5 has already broken away. And you are correct--when the G5 finds out what there cut is they may finally realize that they are nothing more than the red head step child being paid to go to their corner and STFU. If they continue in that roll there will be no realignment as they will be happy with their token bowl games and conference payouts and I dont think they are going to want to share..

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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos

I think if they change the playoff so a G5 conference could get an automatic bid like you suggested it helps NDSU's pitch to G5 conferences. I don't think the quality of the team/program plays as big of a factor now as it would in that scenario.

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Your either on to something or on something professor, either way I like it! So in a "win and your in" landscape of major college football, smaller conferences would want a program like ndsu in there ranks in hopes of advancing and earning more money for all (think Gonzaga)

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Remember the P5 has already broken away. And you are correct--when the G5 finds out what there cut is they may finally realize that they are nothing more than the red head step child being paid to go to their corner and STFU. If they continue in that roll there will be no realignment as they will be happy with their token bowl games and conference payouts and I dont think they are going to want to share..

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I see what your saying but I'm looking at the "March madness" model-------people take days off work 2 watch that! U don't think a football tourney with the same model couldn't succeed? In December, when it's already proving people will watch any and all bowls "just because"?

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Originally Posted by SlickVic

I see what your saying but I'm looking at the "March madness" model-------people take days off work 2 watch that! U don't think a football tourney with the same model couldn't succeed? In December, when it's already proving people will watch any and all bowls "just because"?

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It could but that would be a lot of football. AND you have to deal with the old boy network---bowl games. They are the reason we dont have a real playoff.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

It could but that would be a lot of football. AND you have to deal with the old boy network---bowl games. They are the reason we dont have a real playoff.

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It's also "a lot of basketball" (to the tune of billions)-------just think that 1st Saturday 4 games on 4 different networks at 11 3 and 7-------theres your sweet 16 right there

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Originally Posted by SlickVic

It's also "a lot of basketball" (to the tune of billions)-------just think that 1st Saturday 4 games on 4 different networks at 11 3 and 7-------theres your sweet 16 right there

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I like it Slick! If they want to keep their precious bowls a 24 team FBS playoff could be played over 22 bowl games in 4 weekends to get down to the championship game. They could even keep their New Years Six games separate and just select them from teams already eliminated in the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos

I like it Slick! If they want to keep their precious bowls a 24 team FBS playoff could be played over 22 bowl games in 4 weekends to get down to the championship game. They could even keep their New Years Six games separate and just select them from teams already eliminated in the playoffs.

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Money money money money, money! (U know the tune)-------i dont see anyway moving half of the fbs teams down a level makes anybody MORE money, if that did ever happen I'd say most of them would just drop football at that point

STOP, let's give this a rest! PLEASE. All opinions are respected for sure, but please step back and take a deep breath, please. We are on the verge of a consecutive win record in the FCS, let's do it this Saturday vs SIU!! Winning will be sweet!!!!!! And let's enjoy the upcoming holiday season with good friends and family! Enjoy BISON FOOTBALL!!! We have something here! It is huge!!!! Thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79XG5qim7mc

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Originally Posted by bisoneer

STOP, let's give this a rest! PLEASE. All opinions are respected for sure, but please step back and take a deep breath, please. We are on the verge of a consecutive win record in the FCS, let's do it. And let's enjoy the upcoming holiday season with good friend and family! Thanks.

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Agreed—I’m down!!


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Originally Posted by bisoneer

STOP, let's give this a rest! PLEASE. All opinions are respected for sure, but please step back and take a deep breath, please. We are on the verge of a consecutive win record in the FCS, let's do it. And let's enjoy the upcoming holiday season with good friend and family! Thanks.

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I can go for that... but if we blow through the playoffs.. dont be surprised if its the only topic of conversation in the offseason.. especially with a loaded team returning!!!

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Originally Posted by fmfantasy

I can go for that... but if we blow through the playoffs.. dont be surprised if its the only topic of conversation in the offseason.. especially with a loaded team returning!!!

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Okay sounds good bye

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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos

I like it Slick! If they want to keep their precious bowls a 24 team FBS playoff could be played over 22 bowl games in 4 weekends to get down to the championship game. They could even keep their New Years Six games separate and just select them from teams already eliminated in the playoffs.

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That would never happen. Fans of the teams would not travel to 3 or 4 different locations on a playoff run. It's hard enough now with a difference championship game and a bowl game or 2 playoff games.

If the playoffs expand much further they are going to have to go to hosted sites for the first couple rounds. Once that happens the bowls will go away. The teams that don't make an expanded playoff beyond 8 teams will see even less value in bowl games and the main bowls will not host the 3rd or 4th place teams from a conference.

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Originally Posted by IndyBison

That would never happen. Fans of the teams would not travel to 3 or 4 different locations on a playoff run. It's hard enough now with a difference championship game and a bowl game or 2 playoff games.

If the playoffs expand much further they are going to have to go to hosted sites for the first couple rounds. Once that happens the bowls will go away. The teams that don't make an expanded playoff beyond 8 teams will see even less value in bowl games and the main bowls will not host the 3rd or 4th place teams from a conference.

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Oh, I know it will never happen but I don't necessarily buy that it wouldn't happen because of travel.

Most lower-mid tier bowls are horribly attended now anyway. This would never happen because it would wreck the traditional system of a bowl game being the season finale and it would cut the opportunities for about 40 teams to get their warm fuzzies by competing in a bowl game for getting their 6 wins or more.

If the playoffs are ever expanded I'd agree that it's far more likely to be campus sites hosting in the expanded rounds than more neutral site bowl games being rolled into it.

Let's give this discussion a rest PLEASE! Your opinions are all respected. But let us not distract the team and players from their goal of a championship and a consecutive win record! Let's enjoy it now and be quiet so it can happen. You are all intelligent and no harms no fouls hopefully between any of you. Enjoy your TEAM, THE MIGHTY BISON, the power of the Herd is the BISON and the Power of the Bison is the Herd!!!! That means all of us!






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Originally Posted by bisoneer

Let's give this discussion a rest PLEASE! Your opinions are all respected. But let us not distract the team and players from their goal of a championship and a consecutive win record! Let's enjoy it now and be quiet so it can happen. You are all intelligent and no harms no fouls hopefully between any of you. Enjoy your TEAM, THE MIGHTY BISON, the power of the Heard is the BISON and the Power of the Bison is the Heard!!!! That means all of us!






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I’m in on this. What a great, yet unexpected year. I follow other FCS message boards, and those that are in or close to in on playoffs are pumped and excited.

The really only downer threads here are from the FBS now/Fatigue posters, and we know what who geniuses of those threads is. No more clicks/replies to them please


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I don't see guns to anyone heads to
A) read a thread where an article had NDSU on it
B) reply to a thread.

NDSU is mentioned in this article.
the fatigue thread is about lack of buzz w NDSU
FBS better thread is strictly for FBS.

it's not that hard. sorry.

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Originally Posted by bisoneer

Let's give this discussion a rest PLEASE! Your opinions are all respected. But let us not distract the team and players from their goal of a championship and a consecutive win record! Let's enjoy it now and be quiet so it can happen. You are all intelligent and no harms no fouls hopefully between any of you. Enjoy your TEAM, THE MIGHTY BISON, the power of the Herd is the BISON and the Power of the Bison is the Herd!!!! That means all of us!






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Believe me, we are not distracting the players by thinking about 2 things at once. If the players were distracted by all the bullsh*t on here, we wouldnt have won a game in the last decade bahah.

our conversations have approximately 0/100,000,000 effect on their performance on the field

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Originally Posted by MankatoBison

Believe me, we are not distracting the players by thinking about 2 things at once. If the players were distracted by all the bullsh*t on here, we wouldnt have won a game in the last decade bahah.

our conversations have approximately 0/100,000,000 effect on their performance on the field

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I've talked with numerous former players in this current dynasty.. some of them even said they thrived on all the smack talk that NDSU fans had with other teams, because it made them want to back it up! Motivation.

last time I checked, anyone can start a new topic on this forum, if posters dont want to talk about the AAC or Fatigue, start a new topic. geesh, its a message board, not fascism.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Scottie. Plenty of options out there .

Legacy fund has 6.5 Billion in it. Wouldn't giving money to a state funded on campus 42,000 football stadium help the state?

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You want the state to build a big ass stadium that'll get used 5-6 times a year?

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

You want the state to build a big ass stadium that'll get used 5-6 times a year?

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it'd be used 365 days a year, conferences, conventions, concerts.

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Originally Posted by kingbison

If we are seeking a full acceptance into a conference, we also have to meet the academic standards. Which include research dollars, research facilities, and overall academic ranking. While football is on forefront, all of the behind the scenes requirements have to match up as well.

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Amen! This is a huge part of a move up.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

I've talked with numerous former players in this current dynasty.. some of them even said they thrived on all the smack talk that NDSU fans had with other teams, because it made them want to back it up! Motivation.

last time I checked, anyone can start a new topic on this forum, if posters dont want to talk about the AAC or Fatigue, start a new topic. geesh, its a message board, not fascism.

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Logging into a thread to telling people to "give it a rest" can be compared to the little boy who stated "Mommy, every time I hit my finger with this hammer it hurts"!!! LOL.

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Originally Posted by KNOW IT ALL

Logging into a thread to telling people to "give it a rest" can be compared to the little boy who stated "Mommy, every time I hit my finger with this hammer it hurts"!!! LOL.

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Logging into a thread telling people that you want NDSU to go FBS can be compared to the little boy who stated “Mommy, the ice cream man won’t let me have free ice cream again!!!” LOL.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

I've talked with numerous former players in this current dynasty.. some of them even said they thrived on all the smack talk that NDSU fans had with other teams, because it made them want to back it up! Motivation.

last time I checked, anyone can start a new topic on this forum, if posters dont want to talk about the AAC or Fatigue, start a new topic. geesh, its a message board, not fascism.

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So we should attribute the success we’ve had over the last 8 years to internet tough guys.

Thanks for your hard work, couldn’t have done it without you.


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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

it'd be used 365 days a year, conferences, conventions, concerts.

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Split half of the ones that Fargodome currently does, if somehow you pull off that coup, as in you're not going to attract new ones that are any better? Still not a money maker, nor being used 365 days a year. And Fargodome becomes a red number drag on the city of Fargo and starts eating up tax dollars like that potato storage facility up north.

You must make the best business plans...

I'm all for a new stadium that makes sense but it's going to be hard pressed to make the numbers pencil out by any stretch of imagination. In a way NDSU sold it's FB soul to city of Fargo with the Fargodome. That said I think they both need each other but I'd say Fargo would be hurt less by losing NDSU games than NDSU would be by trying to make a stadium work/profitable or even break even on their own now since they'd essentially have to start from ground zero. The only way I can see it happening is through a very large monetary gift of the likes that hardly anyone has ever seen.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

it'd be used 365 days a year, conferences, conventions, concerts.

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I think you're under selling this. There would be 366 days of use in leap years.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

it'd be used 365 days a year, conferences, conventions, concerts.

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Not if it's outdoors or "semi-enclosed" like you've been pushing.

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Originally Posted by Vet70

Fixed your post.

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Good fix.

We should probably add “crying, kicking, screaming, stomping your feet, holding your breath, throwing things, and breaking things (like a once decent message board)”.

TULSA'S FOOTBALL SCHEDULE 2020: INSERT NDSU .

Friday
Aug. 30 Michigan State Football Schedule
at 18 Michigan State Spartans
Spartan Stadium, East Lansing, MI
7:00pm ET
FS1 L 28-7
Saturday
Sep. 7 San Jose State Football Schedule
at San Jose State Spartans
CEFCU Stadium, San Jose, CA
9:00pm ET
ESPN3 W 34-16
Saturday
Sep. 14 Oklahoma State Football Schedule
Oklahoma State Cowboys
H.A. Chapman Stadium, Tulsa, OK
3:30pm ET
ESPN2 L 40-21
Saturday
Sep. 21 Wyoming Football Schedule
Wyoming Cowboys
H.A. Chapman Stadium, Tulsa, OK
3:30pm ET
CBSSN W 24-21
Saturday
Sep. 28
OFF

Saturday
Oct. 5 SMU Football Schedule
at 24 SMU Mustangs
Gerald J. Ford Stadium, Dallas, TX
7:30pm ET
ESPNU L 43-37(3OT)
Saturday
Oct. 12 Navy Football Schedule
Navy Midshipmen
H.A. Chapman Stadium, Tulsa, OK
7:30pm ET
ESPNU L 45-17
Saturday
Oct. 19 Cincinnati Football Schedule
at 21 Cincinnati Bearcats
Nippert Stadium, Cincinnati, OH
3:30pm ET
ESPNU L 24-13
Saturday
Oct. 26 Memphis Football Schedule Memphis Tigers (HC) H.A. Chapman Stadium, Tulsa, OK
7:00pm ET
CBSSN L 42-41
Saturday
Nov. 2 Tulane Football Schedule
at Tulane Green Wave
Yulman Stadium, New Orleans, LA
4:00pm ET
ESPN2 L 38-26
Friday
Nov. 8 UCF Football Schedule
UCF Knights
H.A. Chapman Stadium, Tulsa, OK
7:00pm ET
ESPN2
Saturday
Nov. 16
OFF

Saturday
Nov. 23 Houston Football Schedule
Houston Cougars
H.A. Chapman Stadium, Tulsa, OK
7:30pm ET
ESPNU

Nov. 30 East Carolina Football Schedule
at East Carolina Pirates
Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium, Greenville, NC
12:00pm ET
ESPNU

Dec. 7 AAC Football Schedule
American Championship
Site, City TBD
3:30pm ET
ABC

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Originally Posted by 1998braves64

Split half of the ones that Fargodome currently does, if somehow you pull off that coup, as in you're not going to attract new ones that are any better? Still not a money maker, nor being used 365 days a year. And Fargodome becomes a red number drag on the city of Fargo and starts eating up tax dollars like that potato storage facility up north.

You must make the best business plans...

I'm all for a new stadium that makes sense but it's going to be hard pressed to make the numbers pencil out by any stretch of imagination. In a way NDSU sold it's FB soul to city of Fargo with the Fargodome. That said I think they both need each other but I'd say Fargo would be hurt less by losing NDSU games than NDSU would be by trying to make a stadium work/profitable or even break even on their own now since they'd essentially have to start from ground zero. The only way I can see it happening is through a very large monetary gift of the likes that hardly anyone has ever seen.

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who cares about the Fargodome/City of Fargo if NDSU has a stadium like this. Fargodome is outdated and was built too small for the growth of NDSU football and quite frankly the city of fargo 200,000 people in the area now?


NDSU would make the revenue, what does NDSU make revenue wise on NDSU football in the fargodome now?

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

TULSA'S FOOTBALL SCHEDULE 2020: INSERT NDSU .

Friday
Aug. 30 Michigan State Football Schedule
at 18 Michigan State Spartans
Spartan Stadium, East Lansing, MI
7:00pm ET
FS1 L 28-7
Saturday
Sep. 7 San Jose State Football Schedule
at San Jose State Spartans
CEFCU Stadium, San Jose, CA
9:00pm ET
ESPN3 W 34-16
Saturday
Sep. 14 Oklahoma State Football Schedule
Oklahoma State Cowboys
H.A. Chapman Stadium, Tulsa, OK
3:30pm ET
ESPN2 L 40-21
Saturday
Sep. 21 Wyoming Football Schedule
Wyoming Cowboys
H.A. Chapman Stadium, Tulsa, OK
3:30pm ET
CBSSN W 24-21
Saturday
Sep. 28
OFF

Saturday
Oct. 5 SMU Football Schedule
at 24 SMU Mustangs
Gerald J. Ford Stadium, Dallas, TX
7:30pm ET
ESPNU L 43-37(3OT)
Saturday
Oct. 12 Navy Football Schedule
Navy Midshipmen
H.A. Chapman Stadium, Tulsa, OK
7:30pm ET
ESPNU L 45-17
Saturday
Oct. 19 Cincinnati Football Schedule
at 21 Cincinnati Bearcats
Nippert Stadium, Cincinnati, OH
3:30pm ET
ESPNU L 24-13
Saturday
Oct. 26 Memphis Football Schedule Memphis Tigers (HC) H.A. Chapman Stadium, Tulsa, OK
7:00pm ET
CBSSN L 42-41
Saturday
Nov. 2 Tulane Football Schedule
at Tulane Green Wave
Yulman Stadium, New Orleans, LA
4:00pm ET
ESPN2 L 38-26
Friday
Nov. 8 UCF Football Schedule
UCF Knights
H.A. Chapman Stadium, Tulsa, OK
7:00pm ET
ESPN2
Saturday
Nov. 16
OFF

Saturday
Nov. 23 Houston Football Schedule
Houston Cougars
H.A. Chapman Stadium, Tulsa, OK
7:30pm ET
ESPNU

Nov. 30 East Carolina Football Schedule
at East Carolina Pirates
Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium, Greenville, NC
12:00pm ET
ESPNU

Dec. 7 AAC Football Schedule
American Championship
Site, City TBD
3:30pm ET
ABC

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Why is NDSU playing home games in Tulsa?


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Originally Posted by wagsabison

Why is NDSU playing home games in Tulsa?


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It's like shooting fish in a barrel.:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Originally Posted by Vet70

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Its sad to think people know he went to NDSU. :facepalm:

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Originally Posted by wagsabison

Why is NDSU playing home games in Tulsa?


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Originally Posted by Vet70

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Its sad to think people know he went to NDSU. :facepalm:

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Wow such persuasive arguments! I bet lakes is totes #FCSForever now!

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Originally Posted by MankatoBison

Wow such persuasive arguments! I bet lakes is totes #FCSForever now!

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If you want to be honest they are about on par with your posts where you denigrate posters and their arguments by labeling them stupid.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

who cares about the Fargodome/City of Fargo if NDSU has a stadium like this. Fargodome is outdated and was built too small for the growth of NDSU football and quite frankly the city of fargo 200,000 people in the area now?


NDSU would make the revenue, what does NDSU make revenue wise on NDSU football in the fargodome now?

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For most things they put on in there now it definitely is size for what city needs, what other events other than NDSU football is it too small? It probably misses out on the larger convention center stuff no doubt but Fargodome isn't really even set up like a convention center currently. Who cares? Um city taxpayers do. I'm not one so I guess I don't really maybe? So NDSU builds a partially outdoor stadium how are you going to host trade shows/conferences in this thing 365 days?

NDSU stadium would require a whole administration to run it/market it etc. Then you have to hire all the event staff etc as well. I think a lot more goes into costs than your brain is thinking on this. I don't know those answers for sure but pretty sure a NDSU indoor stadium (if somehow managed that) and fargodome in the same vicinity would bleed each other dry and neither one would end up being a good facility for anything.