A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by fmfantasy

I like most people donate by buying tickets.. if they need more money raise the prices or entice us with other revenue streams. Do the Dallas Cowboys beg people for donations?

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Come on Longhorn. You bragged that you didnt have any TM fees and then cried because it was going to cost you 50.00 for your seats in the endzone.
Put up or shut up.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

THEY HAVENT CALLED . NOT 1 time they are scared. Stony Brook guy is just happy to be here and not at Stony Brook and Dean B is just holding on for 3-4 more years and retire.

THEY HAVENT SOLICITED ONCE. So stop it.

(back to ignore)

AAC would be amazing for NDSU. with this article, Pres/AD should be calling them!

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Please provide proof of your assertions. Sorry your history of being a pathological liar wont let me take your word for it. Gene Taylor and Matt Larson have credibility. You dont.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

THEY HAVENT CALLED . NOT 1 time they are scared. Stony Brook guy is just happy to be here and not at Stony Brook and Dean B is just holding on for 3-4 more years and retire.

THEY HAVENT SOLICITED ONCE. So stop it.

(back to ignore)

AAC would be amazing for NDSU. with this article, Pres/AD should be calling them!

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You still havent answered the question. When they say NO what is next? Yep just what I thought . No answer.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

like i said in AAC thread.

the AD and President NEED TO SOLICIT an Invite. They need to shake the hands, make the calls, email the commissioners of MWC, AAC, MAC and they HAVE NOT DONE THAT!!

so yes we need an invite, but those 2 making $200-400K/year have to be the ones doing it. we as fans have gotten the attention of those conferences, but don't mean squat if those 2 are TOO AFRAID to be aggressive salesmen!

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I don't buy this for a single second. If a move up made any sense at all the two positions who would benefit the most from it are the AD and the President. They have every incentive to thoroughly explore and continuously revisit this prospect.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

like i said in AAC thread.

the AD and President NEED TO SOLICIT an Invite. They need to shake the hands, make the calls, email the commissioners of MWC, AAC, MAC and they HAVE NOT DONE THAT!!

so yes we need an invite, but those 2 making $200-400K/year have to be the ones doing it. we as fans have gotten the attention of those conferences, but don't mean squat if those 2 are TOO AFRAID to be aggressive salesmen!

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Have you taught your 3 kids to lie like you do????

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

Don’t diminish nor apologize for what you do. Many here do nothing, but ask for more. Plus you represent NDSU well on social media and professionally, unlike some here.


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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Dont slight yourself. You are helping NDSU while some who claim to be big NDSU fans give nothing. Your effort is appreciated.

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Thanks guys and I am aware that NDSU appreciates its donors due to the interactions I've had over the years with people that work in the Athletic Department (it was pretty cool to pick the minds of both Gene Taylor and Matt Larsen to learn how college athletics really work - I learned a ton in the short amount of time I had separate conversations with them). Granted some of it is from being a former student-athlete to being an employee of a company that has a big event at NDSU, but yes, I've been thanked in person for what I can give.

With that said, the best part of giving, and maybe this is selfish, is that I still get to be part of something that is much bigger and successful than I am, which is why I wanted to wrestle for NDSU to begin with. It's fun to be a part of a successful program and help it grow, even if my contribution is small.

ich bin ein FBS'ers!

ich bin ein FBS'ers!

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Originally Posted by SlickVic

ich bin ein FBS'ers!

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JFK youre not.

Hey can someone else pay for this move? Looking for a new nanny at bar close is expensive.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

THEY HAVENT CALLED . NOT 1 time they are scared. Stony Brook guy is just happy to be here and not at Stony Brook and Dean B is just holding on for 3-4 more years and retire.

THEY HAVENT SOLICITED ONCE. So stop it.

(back to ignore)

AAC would be amazing for NDSU. with this article, Pres/AD should be calling them!

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I’d say 3-4 years ago there was more of an fcs forever crowd. I believe that’s shifted to understanding that there is another spot we can be but also understanding it’s not as simple as you make it seem.

If you don’t think they haven’t had some informal discussions you’re foolish. Just because they don’t spout off about it on social media doesn’t mean a discussion hasn’t taken place. I don’t blame them for not wanting to talk to you about it.

Using capital letters doesn’t prove your point.





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Partisan politics and fbs moves are the same conversation on here the most vocal don’t discuss... they state their opinions as though they are fact...(this isn’t (but it for sure is lakes)just lakes)
And repeat and repeat and repeat themselves can we ban this sort of talk please it drives me and many others insane

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Originally Posted by unbison

Partisan politics and fbs moves are the same conversation on here the most vocal don’t discuss... they state their opinions as though they are fact...(this isn’t (but it for sure is lakes)just lakes)
And repeat and repeat and repeat themselves can we ban this sort of talk please it drives me and many others insane

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That's why he'll still yell at everyone that Christian Ponder is a great NFL QB.

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Originally Posted by fmfantasy

I like most people donate by buying tickets.. if they need more money raise the prices or entice us with other revenue streams. Do the Dallas Cowboys beg people for donations?

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That's called paying for a service. Minus the small TM donations that come with season tickets, you are paying for a service. That'll really move the FBS meter.

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Originally Posted by tjamz

Because without seeing increased donations, they will not consider a move up. I realize it is a chicken vs egg scenario, but the first thing that needs to happen is facility improvements followed by coaches wages. So I suggest joining team makers, go to the lunches/events. Get to know some of the donors. Lobby for their support and show them that you are putting your money where your mouth is.

Otherwise you are essentially lobbying for socialism with the "We want shiny new things that we can't afford so instead we'll hit up the rich people to pay for it for us!"

Now, if that is truly what you're lobbying for, that's fine. (I'm not trying to go political on this topic) Just be aware that you sound like Bernie Sanders with your "FBS for all" banter.

Lobbying the fans on this message board will do nothing to move the needle at NDSU and their decisions whether or not to pursue a move up. Donations and talks with the University will go much further. Otherwise we are just all going to be talking in circles on this subject.

Put up or shut up.

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Perfectly stated.

I get and somewhat agree with the complexities of increasing funding and and doing an FBS move the “right way”. That said, am I the only one here who thinks if we we played a G5 schedule right now and beyond, and didn’t spend another dollar than we do right now, that we’d be top-25ish competitive immediately? I just don’t think the gap is that wide and I think our current system and culture makes up for a lot of $$$’s we currently don’t have. AND I think our results on the field year after year prove this.

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Originally Posted by Facts

I get and somewhat agree with the complexities of increasing funding and and doing an FBS move the “right way”. That said, am I the only one here who thinks if we we played a G5 schedule right now and beyond, and didn’t spend another dollar than we do right now, that we’d be top-25ish competitive immediately? I just don’t think the gap is that wide and I think our current system and culture makes up for a lot of $$$’s we currently don’t have. AND I think our results on the field year after year prove this.

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We've got a p5 team right now. So yeah the g5 should be pretty easy competition wise. This team deserves better. It's an insult to this team to suggest they move to g5.

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Originally Posted by fmfantasy

I like most people donate by buying tickets.. if they need more money raise the prices or entice us with other revenue streams. Do the Dallas Cowboys beg people for donations?

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Wow. You don't have a clue about what it takes to fund, compete, or get an invite at the FBS level. Just wow. You probably don't know much about what the academics of the peer institutions at the FBS level look like either. Or enrollment numbers. Hmmm.

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Originally Posted by WYOBISONMAN

Wow. You don't have a clue about what it takes to fund, compete, or get an invite at the FBS level. Just wow. You probably don't know much about what the academics of the peer institutions at the FBS level look like either. Or enrollment numbers. Hmmm.

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Well notice his name is "fantasy".

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Originally Posted by Facts

I get and somewhat agree with the complexities of increasing funding and and doing an FBS move the “right way”. That said, am I the only one here who thinks if we we played a G5 schedule right now and beyond, and didn’t spend another dollar than we do right now, that we’d be top-25ish competitive immediately? I just don’t think the gap is that wide and I think our current system and culture makes up for a lot of $$$’s we currently don’t have. AND I think our results on the field year after year prove this.

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Results on the field have not been that long in the scope of things and this unprecedented run will no last forever.

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Originally Posted by scottietohottie

We've got a p5 team right now. So yeah the g5 should be pretty easy competition wise. This team deserves better. It's an insult to this team to suggest they move to g5.

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This. It's B12 or bust for me.

I completely agree that the funding is the major obstacle to FBS. I'm not in the camp that feels that we need to go FBS at all costs. My concerns are that the energy around the program feels like it is declining. Not necessarily amongst the "consistent" fans but more so with the periphery fans. Maybe it is true to some extent that "they make their own decisions" and "if they feel that way then we don't need them" but I feel that that is very short sighted. The periphery fans are the future donor pool and need to be cultivated. I can understand that an FBS move is risky and affects much more than just football. It has ramifications for the entire campus. Staying FCS has risks associated with it as well and if the leadership has determined that staying FCS is the best strategy currently (which I can understand) then they need to be more aggressive in making the fanbase understand the reasons for that decision both in the short term and long term and find ways to encourage people to continue to be involved in NDSU Athletics. To date, the leadership has neither spoke about or shown much in the way of changes that are intended to address the pitfalls of staying FCS.

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Originally Posted by 23Bison

The only issue I know of in the SHAC is the row spacing between seats.

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Sometimes there is an issue of both BB teams performance in the SHAC as well.

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Originally Posted by Facts

I get and somewhat agree with the complexities of increasing funding and and doing an FBS move the “right way”. That said, am I the only one here who thinks if we we played a G5 schedule right now and beyond, and didn’t spend another dollar than we do right now, that we’d be top-25ish competitive immediately? I just don’t think the gap is that wide and I think our current system and culture makes up for a lot of $$$’s we currently don’t have. AND I think our results on the field year after year prove this.

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We have laid the ground work to face better competition. But if people would remember the bravado that many spoke when we moved up to D1 we didnt fair well. Bohl came out and said "we have to recruit a different type of player". . We will have to make those same changes especially in the skills positions. And ALL sports will have to do the same. Culture doesnt make up for the difference in the jimmies and the joes and the lack of $$$$$$$$$.Weve seen that first hand.

I think we would do well in the MAC. But seriously is that where people really want to be? With those thoughts in mind its going to take money. Lots of it.
Next you need a home. And no matter how good a salesman you are or much you beg or plead if a conference doesnt want you you cant force them to take you. Plus you need to offer a conference more than just a good football program. You have to be a good fit for the conference. Does anyone here that has any common sense really think a conference wants to lose part of their football play off money and big dance money by adding another team?????? Plus Add more traveling expenses?
Just think--UND left the Big Sky. One of the reasons being travel expenses.

We are an outlier. An anomaly .

Strike while the iron is hot???? That doesnt mean squat when youre not in control. We cant force anyones hand.

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Originally Posted by WYOBISONMAN

Wow. You don't have a clue about what it takes to fund, compete, or get an invite at the FBS level. Just wow. You probably don't know much about what the academics of the peer institutions at the FBS level look like either. Or enrollment numbers. Hmmm.

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I remember Gene Taylor telling me the biggest surprise he had in the transition was all of the administrative and academic changes and duties that needed to be done. All of the internal work that nobody really sees or knows about.

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Originally Posted by BigLakeBison

I completely agree that the funding is the major obstacle to FBS. I'm not in the camp that feels that we need to go FBS at all costs. My concerns are that the energy around the program feels like it is declining. Not necessarily amongst the "consistent" fans but more so with the periphery fans. Maybe it is true to some extent that "they make their own decisions" and "if they feel that way then we don't need them" but I feel that that is very short sighted. The periphery fans are the future donor pool and need to be cultivated. I can understand that an FBS move is risky and affects much more than just football. It has ramifications for the entire campus. Staying FCS has risks associated with it as well and if the leadership has determined that staying FCS is the best strategy currently (which I can understand) then they need to be more aggressive in making the fanbase understand the reasons for that decision both in the short term and long term and find ways to encourage people to continue to be involved in NDSU Athletics. To date, the leadership has neither spoke about or shown much in the way of changes that are intended to address the pitfalls of staying FCS.

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The leadership has decided that staying FCS is the best strategy currently because there is no other option currently. NDSU has been slowly catching (and passing in some cases) teams from the MAC, CUSA, and Sun Belt in terms of many key revenue factors like donations and ticket sales. The next step is to catch (or pass) them in terms of facilities with an IPF. The groundwork is being laid to be highly competitive with the G5 if/when an opportunity comes along to compete at the same level as them. Until then I want Bison football to win every damn game and every damn championship they can at this level.

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Originally Posted by BigLakeBison

I completely agree that the funding is the major obstacle to FBS. I'm not in the camp that feels that we need to go FBS at all costs. My concerns are that the energy around the program feels like it is declining. Not necessarily amongst the "consistent" fans but more so with the periphery fans. Maybe it is true to some extent that "they make their own decisions" and "if they feel that way then we don't need them" but I feel that that is very short sighted. The periphery fans are the future donor pool and need to be cultivated. I can understand that an FBS move is risky and affects much more than just football. It has ramifications for the entire campus. Staying FCS has risks associated with it as well and if the leadership has determined that staying FCS is the best strategy currently (which I can understand) then they need to be more aggressive in making the fanbase understand the reasons for that decision both in the short term and long term and find ways to encourage people to continue to be involved in NDSU Athletics. To date, the leadership has neither spoke about or shown much in the way of changes that are intended to address the pitfalls of staying FCS.

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The administration has come out and stated that FOR NOW in this current climate that FCS is where we want to be until there are divisional changes--realignment. (i was paraphrasing here)
Plus there isnt really a huge ground swell in this supposed movement. The few fanatics here on BV dont really reflect Bison nation at large. This isnt a crisis as some seem to be inferring.

The Professors above post is spot on.

this is crazy that people that say they care so deeply for NDSU don't want to push NDSU into higher heights. Content with the status quo, the Plateau. Bohl & Klieman both said "there's nothing more left to do at NDSU"

if the AAC wants NDSU as a Football ONLY you jump at that. But you need an ADMIN that will actually CALL THE AAC.

I've heard from multiple sources at NDSU that none of these conversations have taken place.

and None of you have disputed the fact that Dean is retiring in 3-4 years and Stony Brook guy wakes up every day thanking his lucky stars he was able to take over a finely tuned automobile. Why would either of those 2 risk anything, its the North Dakota way.


AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS IT, STAY OUT OF THESE 1-2 THREADS THEN & LEAVE PERSONAL INSULTS TO YOURSELF . Hundreds of other threads.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

this is crazy that people that say they care so deeply for NDSU don't want to push NDSU into higher heights. Content with the status quo, the Plateau. Bohl & Klieman both said "there's nothing more left to do at NDSU"

if the AAC wants NDSU as a Football ONLY you jump at that. But you need an ADMIN that will actually CALL THE AAC.

I've heard from multiple sources at NDSU that none of these conversations have taken place.

and None of you have disputed the fact that Dean is retiring in 3-4 years and Stony Brook guy wakes up every day thanking his lucky stars he was able to take over a finely tuned automobile. Why would either of those 2 risk anything, its the North Dakota way.


AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS IT, STAY OUT OF THESE 1-2 THREADS THEN & LEAVE PERSONAL INSULTS TO YOURSELF . Hundreds of other threads.

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Alright, I'll assume that you and your sources aren't full of it for a moment. What do you expect to happen when Matt Larsen "calls the AAC"? What should he say?

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Originally Posted by Vet70

Results on the field have not been that long in the scope of things and this unprecedented run will no last forever.

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lol this argument again. I'm old enough to remember when people said "yeah we've won one championship but there's no way we'll be in the title hunt forever! I'll bet you'll change your tune once we lose 3-4 games a year!"

Everything about this team COMPETITIVELY has proven history wrong over and over and over again and will continue to do so. there are so many reasons you could chose to argue against FBS, but NDSU not being able to sustain success is probably the stupidest one, and the one that matters least in the grand scheme. virtually everything else matters more when considering jumping- competitive success is probably in the bottom half of the list

Scottie. Plenty of options out there .

Legacy fund has 6.5 Billion in it. Wouldn't giving money to a state funded on campus 42,000 football stadium help the state?

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

this is crazy that people that say they care so deeply for NDSU don't want to push NDSU into higher heights. Content with the status quo, the Plateau. Bohl & Klieman both said "there's nothing more left to do at NDSU"

if the AAC wants NDSU as a Football ONLY you jump at that. But you need an ADMIN that will actually CALL THE AAC.

I've heard from multiple sources at NDSU that none of these conversations have taken place.

and None of you have disputed the fact that Dean is retiring in 3-4 years and Stony Brook guy wakes up every day thanking his lucky stars he was able to take over a finely tuned automobile. Why would either of those 2 risk anything, its the North Dakota way.


AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS IT, STAY OUT OF THE THREADS THEN & LEAVE PERSONAL INSULTS TO YOURSELF .

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Bullshit. You have no idea what conversations have or havent taken place.

You might also want to work on your reading comprehension as the attitude of Bison fans has not been shown to be what you have described.

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Originally Posted by MankatoBison

lol this argument again. I'm old enough to remember when people said "yeah we've won one championship but there's no way we'll be in the title hunt forever! I'll bet you'll change your tune once we lose 3-4 games a year!"

Everything about this team COMPETITIVELY has proven history wrong over and over and over again and will continue to do so. there are so many reasons you could chose to argue against FBS, but NDSU not being able to sustain success is probably the stupidest one, and the one that matters least in the grand scheme. virtually everything else matters more when considering jumping- competitive success is probably in the bottom half of the list

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Nobody is arguing against FBS. Everyone also said the Bison from the 80 would never end. Ive heard the same narrative about Texas, LSU, Alabama etc etc etc.
Its a fact. It doesnt last forever.

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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos

Alright, I'll assume that you and your sources aren't full of it for a moment. What do you expect to happen when Matt Larsen "calls the AAC"? What should he say?

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are you serious right now?

"Hey, Just gauging your interest in NDSU as a potential future Football Only member of your illustrious conference."

KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

are you serious right now?

"Hey, Just gauging your interest in NDSU as a potential future Football Only member of your illustrious conference."

KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid.

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And they say---We arent interested.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Nobody is arguing against FBS. Everyone also said the Bison from the 80 would never end. Ive heard the same narrative about Texas, LSU, Alabama etc etc etc.
Its a fact. It doesnt last forever.

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So now competitive success IS a reason to go FBS? havent you agreed multiple times in this thread that is ISNT important- that instead, all the other factors are more important?

Just trying to keep track of all the goal posts youre moving

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Originally Posted by MankatoBison

So now competitive success IS a reason to go FBS? havent you agreed multiple times in this thread that is ISNT important- that instead, all the other factors are more important?

Just trying to keep track of all the goal posts youre moving

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I never said that. Nice extrapolation.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

And they say---We arent interested.

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Wait so now you DO know what conversations have an have not been had behind close doors?

Just trying to keep track of all of the goal posts youre moving

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Originally Posted by MankatoBison

Wait so now you DO know what conversations have an have not been had behind close doors?

Just trying to keep track of all of the goal posts youre moving

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Ahhhh are you really that stupid????

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

I never said that. Nice extrapolation.

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Vet- NDSU wont be good forever- stay in the FCS
me- we are unprecedentedly good and it aint changing any time soon- besides, it doesnt even matter since on the field competition isnt that important in this conversation
you- yeah, what HE said
Me- wait, so now you think on field competition IS important?
You- How dare you, Sir! How Dare you!