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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
Man, the Colts were a good fit for Carson... bummer.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
JohnnyExtacy
What would you think would cause them to give up on Wentz after 1 year, considering everything they gave up for him, with no current direction for QB on a team that is considered entering their prime of contention? It makes zero sense. It wasn't the play on the field, and it certainly wasn't what happened the last 2 games.
It was his leadership, which sabotaged the team.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
wagsabison
NFL dropped their bullshit covid rules because they did nothing. It proves Carson making his own decision for him was the correct call.
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How many games did the colts lose because Wentz led the unvaccinated crew? 2?
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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scottietohottie
That is still just a pissed off drunken fool drug addict owner throwing a hissy fit. Reich probably was getting his ass chewed and he chose to save his job for one more season. Reich will be fired after this season because the Colts will have a worse QB.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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RonMexico
Wonder how Wentz and Rivera are going to get along since Rivera is pretty adamant about players being vaccinated.
Wentz has had the virus and he now has natural immunity which is better than the vaccine. The government is in the business of making pfizer and moderna rich so they don't acknowledge natural immunity.
On top of that, the NFL has ended all Covid protocols. No masks and no testing. It is a non-issue..
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
JohnnyExtacy
What would you think would cause them to give up on Wentz after 1 year, considering everything they gave up for him, with no current direction for QB on a team that is considered entering their prime of contention? It makes zero sense. It wasn't the play on the field, and it certainly wasn't what happened the last 2 games.
A drunken fool drug addict owner hated him and no matter what he wasn't going to be on the team. Yes it is that simple. Irsay hates him and wanted him gone. The rest is fluff to make it seem like the drunken hatred isn't the only reason they took a beating on the trade and will have a shitty QB this year.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
KC_Hats
That is still just a pissed off drunken fool drug addict owner throwing a hissy fit. Reich probably was getting his ass chewed and he chose to save his job for one more season. Reich will be fired after this season because the Colts will have a worse QB.
Live and learn eh. Maybe next time the guy paying him 28 million offers him a line of pure Columbian bam bam off a strippers ass he'll just take one for the team.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
scottietohottie
Live and learn eh. Maybe next time the guy paying him 28 million offers him a line of pure Columbian bam bam off a strippers ass he'll just take one for the team.
So that’s what “all in” means.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
After residing in the DC Metro since 1995, I can finally get excited about the home team... Excited for Carson, and really hoping this works out for him! Most here thought Jimmy G was headed to DC
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
KC_Hats
Wentz has had the virus and he now has natural immunity which is better than the vaccine. The government is in the business of making pfizer and moderna rich so they don't acknowledge natural immunity.
On top of that, the NFL has ended all Covid protocols. No masks and no testing. It is a non-issue..
***. THIS POST HAS BEEN FLAGGED FOR PROMOTING FOX NEWS PROPAGANDA.
YOU SHOULD IGNORE THE CONTENT OF THIS DRIVEL IN FAVOR OF MORE REASONABLE NON-BIASED REPORTING.
OH AND FYI - THE “GOVERNMENT” IS COMPOSED OF BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOU.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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GreenfieldBison
***. THIS POST HAS BEEN FLAGGED FOR PROMOTING FOX NEWS PROPAGANDA.
YOU SHOULD IGNORE THE CONTENT OF THIS DRIVEL IN FAVOR OF MORE REASONABLE NON-BIASED REPORTING.
OH AND FYI - THE “GOVERNMENT” IS COMPOSED OF BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOU.
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Love the “fact check”! Is Covid gone now? I’m thinking it’s gone. Heck, even the NDDOH has decided to quit posting Covid cases. God bless us all that we made it through.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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CAS4127
Love the “fact check”! Is Covid gone now? I’m thinking it’s gone. Heck, even the NDDOH has decided to quit posting Covid cases. God bless us all that we made it through.
CJ McCallum just got it so I’m going to go with no. But the US has more or less been ignoring it the whole time so why would we change course now.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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bisonaudit
CJ McCallum just got it so I’m going to go with no. But the US has more or less been ignoring it the whole time so why would we change course now.
I think/feel we might be ok—just a feeling I have. You do you, and same for everyone else. Or is it coming back in 8 or so months? It may. That will be “odd/strange”.
Audit away …..
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
KC_Hats
A drunken fool drug addict owner hated him and no matter what he wasn't going to be on the team. Yes it is that simple. Irsay hates him and wanted him gone. The rest is fluff to make it seem like the drunken hatred isn't the only reason they took a beating on the trade and will have a shitty QB this year.
Sure. Now do why Philly was willing to take the largest dead cap hit in history (by over 50% higher than the next one) to get rid of him just a year ago.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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abc123
Sure. Now do why Philly was willing to take the largest dead cap hit in history (by over 50% higher than the next one) to get rid of him just a year ago.
Carson refused to play for Philly. The organization made it toxic for him and he was not going to play there. They had no choice. They drafted the running QB with the intention of playing the running QB.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
KC_Hats
Carson refused to play for Philly. The organization made it toxic for him and he was not going to play there. They had no choice. They drafted the running QB with the intention of playing the running QB.
So he benched himself during the season? Or after the season he demanded out because he was benched?
Crazy coincidence he ended up in two poor situations in back to back seasons.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
El_Chapo
Carson Wentz has been talked about weekly, daily on TWITTER ESPN everywhere for 5 years straight!!!
Carson has trended top 5 on Twitter at least 100 times.
This isn't even up for debate. Wentz is more popular than all of these ND guys combined.
I can now see where your unfounded ego comes from. Just because he you are being talked about doesnt mean you-he are popular.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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reformedUNDfan
How many games did the colts lose because Wentz led the unvaccinated crew? 2?
This is an interesting take. One of the criticisms coming from those reporting in indy with numerous unnamed sources was CW's lack of leadership. Yet, somehow this narrative keeps going back to how he had all these followers also refusing to vaccinate because of CW's leadership.
So is it lack of leadership or some didn't like where he was leading people? It can't go both ways.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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td577
This is an interesting take. One of the criticisms coming from those reporting in indy with numerous unnamed sources was CW's lack of leadership. Yet, somehow this narrative keeps going back to how he had all these followers also refusing to vaccinate because of CW's leadership.
So is it lack of leadership or some didn't like where he was leading people? It can't go both ways.
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Indy had a lot of players vocal about not being vaccinated before CW got there. CW wasn’t the “anti-vax” leader in that locker room. Darius Leonard was under scrutiny for his refusal to get the vaccine before CW ever arrived. Darius Leonard was also a stronger leader than CW was for the Colts. I think the anti-vax narrative is a rather silly one.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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JohnnyExtacy
The only speculative BS is every person in this thread who's an outsider on the situation saying all these NFL minds are wrong about Wentz. You can disagree all you want with the NFL rap sheet on Wentz, and there's most likely some fabrication to it, but they are made by NFL minds who are a lot more in the know than anyone Bison fan in this thread.
Dude. You’re the person who said there were reports and then couldn’t come up with one report. Just take the L and make fun of Carson some other way. Nice try at deflection though.
What’s weirder than people here being supportive of him are the people coming here trying to tear him down. Takes a strange person to get off on that.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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HerdistheWord
Indy had a lot of players vocal about not being vaccinated before CW got there. CW wasn’t the “anti-vax” leader in that locker room. Darius Leonard was under scrutiny for his refusal to get the vaccine before CW ever arrived. Darius Leonard was also a stronger leader than CW was for the Colts. I think the anti-vax narrative is a rather silly one.
It's not silly. Old Jimmy red nose probably thought hey we'll get this new guy to get vaxed and then maybe the rest of team will follow suit. The new guy was like no way hey. I can see how that would piss the boss off. Boss can't really do shit about it but hold a grudge. Although after farther review I'm finding that Jimmy red nose was already pissed at Carson before the last 2 games of the season and was refusing to meet with Carson before the end of season and that also probably put more pressure on Carson then he needed at that time.
I'm not saying Carson convinced everyone in the Colts organization to not get vaxed. He didn't help the situation either. And if it's not that silly narrative then the narrative must be Carson is a little bitch diva in the locker room. 2 years in a row. 2 different teams.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
If he performs to the expected level of a 1st round draft pick/franchise QB, he would still be in Philly on not on his 3rd team in 3 years. All this alleged off-the-field, character/leadership stuff wouldn't matter
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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runtheoption
If he performs to the expected level of a 1st round draft pick/franchise QB, he would still be in Philly on not on his 3rd team in 3 years. All this alleged off-the-field, character/leadership stuff wouldn't matter
This is a true statement. However the NFL is just acting like our culture. In the 80's, 90's and 2000's a QB like Wentz and Cousins would have been way more loved. Problem is people have nothing better to do than criticize others on social media (including all of us here) and TV. People have zero patience anymore and need immediate gratification and that is the problem when you have a QB that is about a 10-15 rated QB in the league. They have a high salary and have some great moments and some below average moments and all people do is focus on the below average moments.
Wentz is like a 12-15 rated QB, but he deserved another year in Indy and Irsay is a complete freak. Now he has no QB and you never have great leadership when your QB keeps rotating every year.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcpoJvMI7G4
Looks like little Nas x is a Carson Wentz fan!
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Snowgoose
This is a true statement. However the NFL is just acting like our culture. In the 80's, 90's and 2000's a QB like Wentz and Cousins would have been way more loved. Problem is people have nothing better to do than criticize others on social media (including all of us here) and TV. People have zero patience anymore and need immediate gratification and that is the problem when you have a QB that is about a 10-15 rated QB in the league. They have a high salary and have some great moments and some below average moments and all people do is focus on the below average moments.
Wentz is like a 12-15 rated QB, but he deserved another year in Indy and Irsay is a complete freak. Now he has no QB and you never have great leadership when your QB keeps rotating every year.
You do have a fair point about social media and how it is reported in the actual media. I am often amazed at how often "twitter outrage" is reported as real public opinion.
That being said, there is still enough smoke around that there is a real fire somewhere.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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runtheoption
If he performs to the expected level of a 1st round draft pick/franchise QB, he would still be in Philly on not on his 3rd team in 3 years. All this alleged off-the-field, character/leadership stuff wouldn't matter
You mean when he brought a receiving corps of practice squad players to the playoffs? Then Roseman effed up the draft again and had to get rid of both his HC and starting QB as a scapegoat to keep his job? Lol. Greg Ward was his best WR, who was playing in the AAF 6 months before the season started... Yeah, how couldn't he have led them to the playoffs back to back?
FWIW
I played against Carson in high school, had classes with him in college, etc. and I've seen his press conferences where he says the right things, even when the chips are down. I would be absolutely shocked if he was a major issue in the locker room. Am I going to say that he fits in inside an NFL locker room or is a great leader or anything like that? I have no idea, never been in an NFL locker room and I doubt anyone else here has.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
Not that this matters anymore these days cause everyone has their opinion and it seems it can never be swayed but let's look at the first six years between Carson and Ben Roethlisberger who he was compared to coming out of College.
Attempts Completions % Yards TDS Int
Ben 2,411 1,526 63% 19,302 127 81
Carson 3,008 1,884 63% 20,374 140 57
Who would you rather have? Carson is better. He also did not have off the field issues like Ben has had which were pretty bad. People these days cannot have any patience whatsoever. Carson has been labeled by the media for whatever the reason and it sucks.
By the way Ben's seventh season he only had 17tds and 5 int and his 8th season wasnt much better with 21 tds and 14 ints. Not exactly great stats yet is considered a HOF. So it does matter who is around you as he also had good WRs.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
scottietohottie
Live and learn eh. Maybe next time the guy paying him 28 million offers him a line of pure Columbian bam bam off a strippers ass he'll just take one for the team.
This is the kind of leader I am. Aspire to be more like me :)
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
Snowgoose
Not that this matters anymore these days cause everyone has their opinion and it seems it can never be swayed but let's look at the first six years between Carson and Ben Roethlisberger who he was compared to coming out of College.
Attempts Completions % Yards TDS Int
Ben 2,411 1,526 63% 19,302 127 81
Carson 3,008 1,884 63% 20,374 140 57
Who would you rather have? Carson is better. He also did not have off the field issues like Ben has had which were pretty bad. People these days cannot have any patience whatsoever. Carson has been labeled by the media for whatever the reason and it sucks.
By the way Ben's seventh season he only had 17tds and 5 int and his 8th season wasnt much better with 21 tds and 14 ints. Not exactly great stats yet is considered a HOF. So it does matter who is around you as he also had good WRs.
I’m not sure that it makes sense to acknowledge the profound changes in the media environment over the last 2 decades while ignoring the profound changes in the game itself.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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NDSU92
You mean when he brought a receiving corps of practice squad players to the playoffs? Then Roseman effed up the draft again and had to get rid of both his HC and starting QB as a scapegoat to keep his job? Lol. Greg Ward was his best WR, who was playing in the AAF 6 months before the season started... Yeah, how couldn't he have led them to the playoffs back to back?
FWIW
I played against Carson in high school, had classes with him in college, etc. and I've seen his press conferences where he says the right things, even when the chips are down. I would be absolutely shocked if he was a major issue in the locker room. Am I going to say that he fits in inside an NFL locker room or is a great leader or anything like that? I have no idea, never been in an NFL locker room and I doubt anyone else here has.
Like Al Bundy said: "Just shut up and dribble the ball, and just win, baby."
The team wins, he stays, simple as that.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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bisonaudit
I’m not sure that it makes sense to acknowledge the profound changes in the media environment over the last 2 decades while ignoring the profound changes in the game itself.
The game has changed but it has been a slow change. The difference between these years is 12 years not two decades (but as auditor you can pass on that difference) so less of change. Even still I was implying that people don't want to give any room for growth anymore period especially at a QB position.
The media sucks in all environments in the last decade but more so in the last five years thanks to social media which is making exponentially worse.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Snowgoose
The game has changed but it has been a slow change. The difference between these years is 12 years not two decades (but as auditor you can pass on that difference) so less of change. Even still I was implying that people don't want to give any room for growth anymore period especially at a QB position.
The media sucks in all environments in the last decade but more so in the last five years thanks to social media which is making exponentially worse.
I think the game has changed more than you think. Just for example, Ben’s comp% was below league average just twice in his first 6 seasons and even then just barely (48th and 49th percentile). Wentz has had a completion percentage above league average 1 time in 6 seasons.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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NDSU92
You mean when he brought a receiving corps of practice squad players to the playoffs? Then Roseman effed up the draft again and had to get rid of both his HC and starting QB as a scapegoat to keep his job? Lol. Greg Ward was his best WR, who was playing in the AAF 6 months before the season started... Yeah, how couldn't he have led them to the playoffs back to back?
FWIW
I played against Carson in high school, had classes with him in college, etc. and I've seen his press conferences where he says the right things, even when the chips are down. I would be absolutely shocked if he was a major issue in the locker room. Am I going to say that he fits in inside an NFL locker room or is a great leader or anything like that? I have no idea, never been in an NFL locker room and I doubt anyone else here has.
Great post and spot on
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
NDSU92
You mean when he brought a receiving corps of practice squad players to the playoffs? Then Roseman effed up the draft again and had to get rid of both his HC and starting QB as a scapegoat to keep his job? Lol. Greg Ward was his best WR, who was playing in the AAF 6 months before the season started... Yeah, how couldn't he have led them to the playoffs back to back?
FWIW
I played against Carson in high school, had classes with him in college, etc. and I've seen his press conferences where he says the right things, even when the chips are down. I would be absolutely shocked if he was a major issue in the locker room. Am I going to say that he fits in inside an NFL locker room or is a great leader or anything like that? I have no idea, never been in an NFL locker room and I doubt anyone else here has.
I'm sure he's a great person, particularly off the field with all he's done, but at some point the mounting evidence in the locker room and on the field seem to indicate that there is more to it other than a bunch of unrelated people that are supposedly "out to get him".
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/...super-bowl-run
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Wentz struggled with accountability in his last three seasons in Philadelphia and it hurt his standing with teammates and coaches. But it was the torn ACL that ended his 2017 season and denied him the Super Bowl run that revealed character defects and affected him in certain corners of the locker room.
Sometime before the championship game, Wentz voiced his displeasure with the Eagles’ success to a group of other injured players, sources with direct knowledge of the incident said. One of the players immediately confronted him and the two eventually had to be separated.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
bisonaudit
I think the game has changed more than you think. Just for example, Ben’s comp% was below league average just twice in his first 6 seasons and even then just barely (48th and 49th percentile). Wentz has had a completion percentage above league average 1 time in 6 seasons.
While I don't actually disagree about the game changing, Ben just retired. If you can't compare career numbers against a qb who still played last season, then it's not really possible to do any overall career comparisons.
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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Originally Posted by
NDSU92
You mean when he brought a receiving corps of practice squad players to the playoffs? Then Roseman effed up the draft again and had to get rid of both his HC and starting QB as a scapegoat to keep his job? Lol. Greg Ward was his best WR, who was playing in the AAF 6 months before the season started... Yeah, how couldn't he have led them to the playoffs back to back?
FWIW
I played against Carson in high school, had classes with him in college, etc. and I've seen his press conferences where he says the right things, even when the chips are down. I would be absolutely shocked if he was a major issue in the locker room. Am I going to say that he fits in inside an NFL locker room or is a great leader or anything like that? I have no idea, never been in an NFL locker room and I doubt anyone else here has.
Lakes has been. Get the good jock sniffin going on there and a lead on some rich grandma's!
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Re: What sort of thread have you made for us? A Wentz thread, if you can keep it.
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yopaulie
While I don't actually disagree about the game changing, Ben just retired. If you can't compare career numbers against a qb who still played last season, then it's not really possible to do any overall career comparisons.
Of course you can. You just have to adjust them to the environment, which I just did. Places like football-reference.com have all of this stuff.
