A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

I know it's hard to hear truths. I thought most of his points were common sense, but apparently not.

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except he is using data from pre 2019, we are 4 plus revenue years from any "financials" he is using/discussing

We all know there will be expense increases DUH! what he doesn't know are the checkbooks out there waiting to open for a higher level, they are there.

Any opinion that starts with a detailed look at the B1G as an NDSU FBS option is a joke right out of the box. The air miles look correct, though.

It’s a year old already anyways. Sorry, my bad. I honestly can’t remember if I already saw it. Saw it on a Mac board.

In 2018 I agreed with him, but now (next 2-3 years) the right FBS invite is NDSU’s to go get. Playoffs will expand to 12 and P5 won’t split away, so best go get after it.

Looks like we’ll know who the new POTU is tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by tjbison

except he is using data from pre 2019, we are 4 plus revenue years from any "financials" he is using/discussing

We all know there will be expense increases DUH! what he doesn't know are the checkbooks out there waiting to open for a higher level, they are there.

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What you don't know is if those checkbooks support it or not either. Perhaps the NDSU admin does know that.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

I know it's hard to hear truths. I thought most of his points were common sense, but apparently not.

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Can you skate eh?

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

Any opinion that starts with a detailed look at the B1G as an NDSU FBS option is a joke right out of the box. The air miles look correct, though.

It’s a year old already anyways. Sorry, my bad. I honestly can’t remember if I already saw it. Saw it on a Mac board.

In 2018 I agreed with him, but now (next 2-3 years) the right FBS invite is NDSU’s to go get. Playoffs will expand to 12 and P5 won’t split away, so best go get after it.

Looks like we’ll know who the new POTU is tomorrow.

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There no guarantee of playoffs expanding to 12. Or a G5 playoff. Topics that have been around about as long as the NDSU argument of FCS or FBS.

Is this real?

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In fact, the Bison lost $41,000 in football for the 2018-19 season despite drawing an average of 18,000 fans per contest for 11 home games.

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How's that look in 2021 with expenses surely up (7% inflation anyone?) and attendance down to a 15k average? Is TeamMakers able cover any gaps?

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

Is this real?



How's that look in 2021 with expenses surely up (7% inflation anyone?) and attendance down to a 15k average? Is TeamMakers able cover any gaps?

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Define "lost money" lol. Do you count donations? How about merchandise? Licensing? TV deal? There is so much "general revenue" (and general expenses) across every AD, it's probably impossible to quantify apples to apples.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Those facts are about as useful as lakes'. You can't simply assume twice the travel and gameday expense budget linearly based on distances.

That'd be like me saying the month I travel to New York I will have double the expenses compared to the next month that I travel to Miami, because I'll be going on a trip twice as far away.

Yeah, it's probably more expensive. As even Matt Larsen himself has said multiple times on Bison 1660: The money at FBS works out a lot better than people think it will. A better analysis would be to compare the change in overall travel for the schools already in the potential conferences. Those are the ones who would determine if NDSU was joining anyways...

Kudos for getting me to click on a .net url by the way. I forgot how exhilarating it was.

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Comparing charter flight cost to commercial flight cost is apples to oranges. Charter flights are typically priced by distance (or flight hours) and capacity of the aircraft required; commercial is based on other factors in addition to distance such as competition with other airlines, ass’ in seats, seasons, special events, etc. also, hotel costs in the bigger cities tend to be a lot more expensive than those in say, Normal or Youngstown.

So if your distance doubles, your price may double for a charter (not really because their are some sunk costs that would be the similar). Additionally hotel costs would probably increase significantly going to higher cost cities, as well as the food costs.

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Travel for football is a complete non issue. The concern is travel for the rest of the sports if we get an all-sport conference invitation, although admittedly there aren't many bus trips as it is. Also, I don't think any sport other than football flies charter. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

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Originally Posted by OrygunBison

Travel for football is a complete non issue. The concern is travel for the rest of the sports if we get an all-sport conference invitation, although admittedly there aren't many bus trips as it is. Also, I don't think any sport other than football flies charter. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

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That's probably true.