A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by scottietohottie

Isn't the sec looking at expansion?

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2023 is when the tv contracts expire and all hell breaks loose and the P5 if they are gonna split in our lifetime will do it then... which is probably when NDSU will be 11 of 12 titles and everyone is completely ready to move on as well...

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Originally Posted by wagsabison

Nothing says college football like Tuesday afternoon tailgating.


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If a win meant progress toward a conference championship and autobid to a real current fcs style playoff I'm all in!

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Originally Posted by KNOW IT ALL

Approach the Big 12 (ten team fb conference) about adding NDSU, SDSU and having two, six team divisions, Big 12 North and Big 12 South, Similar to the Big 10.

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Can’t believe how naive people are. We have zero chance of getting in the big 12. We are not even close to those schools in many ways They have 60-70 seat football stadiums. We have the dome. They have too 10 basketball programs. We have what we have.

Big 12 LMAO. One of the worst takes on this board ever.


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League leaders in MAC attendance.

Here is an analysis of attendance over the past 5 seasons (per home game average) for these schools (the article labels these numbers as butts in the seats).

Ball State 9,067
Northern Illinois 12,043
Kent State 12,661
Eastern Michigan 13,653
Central Michigan 15,146
Miami Univ. 15,884
Bowling Green 16,180
Akron 17,224
Buffalo 17,616
Western Michigan 18,616
Ohio 19,729
Toledo 20,551

https://collegefootballnews.com/2019...ogram-analysis

even without chance at FBS playoff--------a AAC conference championship game with a fiesta-orange-sugar bowl on the line would beat the hell out of a 10th trip 2 frisco

What do the mac schools charge per seat? Mine are $50ish each in sec 17. Shouldnt seat revenue per game be the comparable metric rather than # of seats that may or may not be filled?

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Originally Posted by SlickVic

even without chance at FBS playoff--------a AAC conference championship game with a fiesta-orange-sugar bowl on the line would beat the hell out of a 10th trip 2 frisco

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The Appy State fans seem to really like the FBS.

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Originally Posted by westnodak93bison

What do the mac schools charge per seat? Mine are $50ish each in sec 17. Shouldnt seat revenue per game be the comparable metric rather than # of seats that may or may not be filled?

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https://www.stubhub.com/mid-american...rouping/91220/

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Originally Posted by 23Bison

The Appy State fans seem to really like the FBS.

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i would think they could be favorite option to join AAC (fits well with cincy, temple, in that region)---------what if navy moves over with app state in the "east" and NDSU-SDSU joined the "west"------14 team conf like the big 10

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Originally Posted by NDSUguy

this is just not true. The 4-7 New Mexico team would be VASTLY superior to the USD team. The outcome might still be a W for the Bison but the game would sure be a lot more interesting.

I used to be anti-FBS but i have now switched.

The way i see it, in the FBS the regular season matters and so does the scores of those games. Right now we have 3-4 games annually (including the Frisco game) that we could potentially care about. In the FBS, since you are playing for bowl positioning they all matter.

I will always support the Bison but to be honest I didn't even watch more than 5 minutes of this weekends game (and that was just to see Snorty on the helmets). That didn't use to be the case. While others may "die" to be in our shoes we have broken the FCS and it is now stagnant.

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So, what about playing Toledo on a Wednesday night if we go to the MAC? Who's going to tailgate 4 hours on a Wednesday afternoon? Of course after tailgating we can go site in the new outdoor stadium on that cold Wednesday night and watch the Bison beat another boring team.

I love what we have now.

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Originally Posted by NDSU1980

So, what about playing Toledo on a Wednesday night if we go to the MAC? Who's going to tailgate 4 hours on a Wednesday afternoon? Of course after tailgating we can go site in the new outdoor stadium on that cold Wednesday night and watch the Bison beat another boring team.

I love what we have now.

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So, you take a Wednesday off for a mid-week break and have a party. Remember those great Thursday night parties in the dorm? I think it would be epic...especially on national TV. Build that NDSU brand big-time.

An invaluable peace of info 4 this pie would b fer ML. To have a honest private conversation with klieman as to how he feels we would "stack up"-------having the "horses" to compete right away\keep the momentum would b crucial and ithink it's safe 2 say we have that in spades for the next few years but would hope klieman could confirm that after a full season against "the big boys"

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Originally Posted by AKBison

Even as a pro FBS true believer, I don't think the time is quite right for us. We need to bring our facilities up to snuff before any move up. The Dome and future home of football can be settled later. However, we need to get this IPF done, need to get the Softball stadium and attached IPF done, need to get T&F squared away, and finally need to get the basketball situation figured out. Meaning we need to either dump another 20 million in the SHAC so that the arena portion can be properly configured or we need to lay the groundwork to build new. We currently have about the 5th best arena in the Summit and that's not going to fly in a true mid major or above league.

When we go FBS every extra dollar will need to go to Football in order to ensure a successful transition. Getting bogged down in an Olympics facilities arms race to make us more attractive to perspective conferences would be a killer.

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I strongly suspect there is a plan in its very initial stage to build a new basketball arena on or near campus. This plan is just setting there until the time is right. I don't mean blueprints or a precise location or anything, but a document with wants/needs and a price range. I can't believe the NDSU AD admin honestly views the SHAC as a true long-term(30+ year) solution. I feel the SHAC was viewed as a necessary evil: there wasn't enough money available to truly do it right($70-90M), but the BSA needed to be updated yesterday. So you do what you can with what you have until you have more sometime in the future.

I think within 10 years, we'll see the public beginnings for fundraising for a new arena, and the SHAC arena will be lightly modified to be the home for wrestling and volleyball. The upper west side seating will be removed to make more space for support functions, and the main scoreboard will be removed and replaced so it doesn't interfere with volleyball. I also suspect they'll replace the seating risers at that time to give the proper leg room.

I still hope they can resurrect the Fargodome basketball addition plans; I think that was the perfect solution to everyone's problems. It gave the FD a nice sized venue for concerts too small for the main floor. It would make basketball tournaments far easier to run with an extra court. It would give a bunch of extra floor space for trade conventions. And it would be a perfect size for a successful NDSU basketball program, with plenty of premium seating. In a perfect world, the addition could be part of an overall expansion of the FD. I know I'm in the minority on this one, and that there would be no cost savings over building new, but I would rather see the FD be reconstructed than building a brand new facility. Mostly because where would you put the new one, and what would you do with the FD?

If you keep both operating, you'll probably go from a small profit at one, to losing money at both; there just aren't enough events to support two large facilities. So do you tear the FD down once the new place is built? If you do that, I hope you build the new one right next to the FD so you can reuse some of the infrastructure. In any case, the community(FM/NDSU) is either stuck paying for the ongoing operation costs for two facilities, or the demolition cost to tear down the FD. Both options suck a little. So how about a nearly complete rebuild from the ground up? If you do it right, I bet you could build the new concourses and roof structure while the FD was still in use. Then stage everything so that the FD is offline for no more than a year. If you plan very well with the football schedules, it's slightly possible you might not even lose a season(though it would mean giving up the chance of a season of home playoff games - of course if NDSU was FBS, this wouldn't be an issue ;)).

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Originally Posted by SlickVic

An invaluable peace of info 4 this pie would b fer ML. To have a honest private conversation with klieman as to how he feels we would "stack up"-------having the "horses" to compete right away\keep the momentum would b crucial and ithink it's safe 2 say we have that in spades for the next few years but would hope klieman could confirm that after a full season against "the big boys"

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Sheeeet, we don't need no stinkin' conversation with Klieman to know we would be competitive, especially with 22 more schollys.

One of the bigger hurdles for the move to FBS is the lack of fan support from students. Bison crowds now are ages 1-10 and 40 plus. I watched a number of big college games on tv recently and paid attention to the crowds as national games are constantly panning the crowds. VERY few young kids and older adults, MANY, MANY students who are very loud and into the games. Unlike Bison 'sit on your hands nation' the past few years in games other than Playoffs. As a visiting team if you get thru the first drive or two the crowds are pretty subdued, To many Lolly Pops and Geritol's.

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Originally Posted by SlickVic

An invaluable peace of info 4 this pie would b fer ML. To have a honest private conversation with klieman as to how he feels we would "stack up"-------having the "horses" to compete right away\keep the momentum would b crucial and ithink it's safe 2 say we have that in spades for the next few years but would hope klieman could confirm that after a full season against "the big boys"

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I don't think a conversation with Klieman would make sense seeing as the biggest hurdles are off-field. But I'm sure they'd have a lovely conversation.

I am curious as to what it is these students are doing or why they are not going at all. Yes I fully realize alcohol is involved in a lot of cases. I thought college football game day was at the top of the list of things to do on a Saturday? Do the students have Bison Fatigue? Do they look down upon the football program for some reason? Does the student body in general have a bad view of the players (too cocky or rub them the wrong way with all of the attention)? It really is quite puzzling.

Unfortunately its not puzzling. you lose interest in your shiny new toy when its not so new anymore. The 7th national championship run in a row is inherently less interesting than the 1st.

Its not an excuse- but it is human nature. We are in the globetrotters stage of the program. There is little to no drama in virtually any of the games- students arent going to sit there and scream their asses off when we're up 42-7 at the half.

Before anyone accuses me of not being a fan, or my favorite, NOT HAVING A SOUL, I went to more games this year than any year previously, I am a TM and cheer like a psycho every game. So cut the "DONT YOU THINK THIS IS SPECIAL?!" bullishit. Of course its special and I am enjoying the hell out of it. But people who cant figure out why the rafters arenet 100% packed with foaming at the mouth students each week have their head in the sand.

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Originally Posted by MankatoBison

Unfortunately its not puzzling. you lose interest in your shiny new toy when its not so new anymore. The 7th national championship run in a row is inherently less interesting than the 1st.

Its not an excuse- but it is human nature. We are in the globetrotters stage of the program. There is little to no drama in virtually any of the games- students arent going to sit there and scream their asses off when we're up 42-7 at the half.

Before anyone accuses me of not being a fan, or my favorite, NOT HAVING A SOUL, I went to more games this year than any year previously, I am a TM and cheer like a psycho every game. So cut the "DONT YOU THINK THIS IS SPECIAL?!" bullishit. Of course its special and I am enjoying the hell out of it. But people who cant figure out why the rafters arenet 100% packed with foaming at the mouth students each week have their head in the sand.

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this is it.

I don't even see students on the ndsu football fans pages, 25,000 followers and hardly any students. The BUZZ just isnt there. I actually sat in student section with my 4 year old at the game 2 weeks ago. All on thier phones, the only chatter was what house they were partying at for halftime and rest of the day.
NDSU winning and dominating has become routine , its hard for these kids to watch Alabama, Clemson, Wisconsin on tv with amazing student sections than walk into the fargodome and watch NDSU just obliterate subpar competition.

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Originally Posted by MankatoBison

Unfortunately its not puzzling. you lose interest in your shiny new toy when its not so new anymore. The 7th national championship run in a row is inherently less interesting than the 1st.

Its not an excuse- but it is human nature. We are in the globetrotters stage of the program. There is little to no drama in virtually any of the games- students arent going to sit there and scream their asses off when we're up 42-7 at the half.

Before anyone accuses me of not being a fan, or my favorite, NOT HAVING A SOUL, I went to more games this year than any year previously, I am a TM and cheer like a psycho every game. So cut the "DONT YOU THINK THIS IS SPECIAL?!" bullishit. Of course its special and I am enjoying the hell out of it. But people who cant figure out why the rafters arenet 100% packed with foaming at the mouth students each week have their head in the sand.

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So the same students have been at NDSU for this entire run? Would think there has been some turnover.

Also, not a fair comparison between NDSU and nationally televised FBS games, as the student body population is way larger.

How do we compare to say, SDSU, SIU, UNI, etc.?


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Originally Posted by 23Bison

I am curious as to what it is these students are doing or why they are not going at all. Yes I fully realize alcohol is involved in a lot of cases. I thought college football game day was at the top of the list of things to do on a Saturday? Do the students have Bison Fatigue? Do they look down upon the football program for some reason? Does the student body in general have a bad view of the players (too cocky or rub them the wrong way with all of the attention)? It really is quite puzzling.

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It's possible that there may be some students that resent the cost of attendance allowance. I'd be surprised if that hasn't affected student attendance to some degree.

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Originally Posted by MankatoBison

Unfortunately its not puzzling. you lose interest in your shiny new toy when its not so new anymore. The 7th national championship run in a row is inherently less interesting than the 1st.

Its not an excuse- but it is human nature. We are in the globetrotters stage of the program. There is little to no drama in virtually any of the games- students arent going to sit there and scream their asses off when we're up 42-7 at the half.

Before anyone accuses me of not being a fan, or my favorite, NOT HAVING A SOUL, I went to more games this year than any year previously, I am a TM and cheer like a psycho every game. So cut the "DONT YOU THINK THIS IS SPECIAL?!" bullishit. Of course its special and I am enjoying the hell out of it. But people who cant figure out why the rafters arenet 100% packed with foaming at the mouth students each week have their head in the sand.

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MAC, AAC etc ain't gonna fix that.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

MAC, AAC etc ain't gonna fix that.

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I believe the AAC would absolutely do that. Joining the actual conference will most likely never happen. MAC would boost it just a bit for a season or two just because its new so that's about it.

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

I don't think a conversation with Klieman would make sense seeing as the biggest hurdles are off-field. But I'm sure they'd have a lovely conversation.

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So we wouldnt b 6-5/5-5 then? At this point I don't even understand what the "off-field" hurdles would b other than funding the extra scholarships what else is needed?

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

So the same students have been at NDSU for this entire run? Would think there has been some turnover.
- obviously not, Never suggested that they have. but obviously participating in the first EVER national championship run is more illustrious to a student than
"Hey kids, do you want to partake in this most recent championship run? its only happened 7 times in the last 8 years!!" This isnt rocket science- new, special, things get less special to people over time. Law of decreasing marginal utility.
Also, not a fair comparison between NDSU and nationally televised FBS games, as the student body population is way larger.
- I didnt compare NDSU to nationally televised FBS games? I'm not arguing- I'm just not sure what perspective you're coming from

How do we compare to say, SDSU, SIU, UNI, etc.?
Alot better than them, lol

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Originally Posted by daddy daycare

MAC, AAC etc ain't gonna fix that.

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It is possible it WOULD fix it, and its possible its WOULDNT. I think the evidence would suggest that closing the talent gap (obviously I mean increasing the quality of the competition, not the Quality of NDSU), would stand for more dramatic games, more akin to the 2011-2012 seasons would drive greater attendance. Also inherently, getting a new "shiny object" does create excitement. Though eventually the shiny object gets less shiny over time- which brings us back to the law of decreasing marginal utility again.
MAC would become less shiny quicker than the AAC, thats for sure. But I think you'd have to come up with a helluva argument to say that MVFC is inherently more exciting to fans than AAC, or even the lowly MAC

AAC fans are not Totally against NDSU coming in:

https://csnbbs.com/thread-888079.html (beware I know the moderator over there.. don't get banned! :) )

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

In all of my posts have I ever said that THERE IS no BENIFIT??????

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Time to prove me wrong 56- what is ONE benefit of FBS? show everyone how Libelous I am, and prove that I was lying!

I'm not saying that FBS is required, I am saying that FCS is not providing a FIX for football junkies after 7 recent titles. It's like moving from beer to booze when the buzz gets old. The Fargo dome is highly over-rated in regard to crowd noise. Take away the artificial noise pumped in a couple minutes prior to kick-off and there is more a dull roar in that building. YES, the meter gets spiked for very short periods of time during playoff season, and again, artificial noise blaring over the top of screaming fans is a big part of it (in-door echo effect). five seconds before the next snap it all get deathly quiet. I also forgot to mention that 1 of 3 fans are looking at their cell phones when they do pan the crowd. THERE IS NO EASY FIX or it would be taken care of by now.

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Originally Posted by KNOW IT ALL

I'm not saying that FBS is required, I am saying that FCS is not providing a FIX for football junkies after 7 recent titles. It's like moving from beer to booze when the buzz gets old. The Fargo dome is highly over-rated in regard to crowd noise. Take away the artificial noise pumped in a couple minutes prior to kick-off and there is more a dull roar in that building. YES, the meter gets spiked for very short periods of time during playoff season, and again, artificial noise blaring over the top of screaming fans is a big part of it (in-door echo effect). five seconds before the next snap it all get deathly quiet. I also forgot to mention that 1 of 3 fans are looking at their cell phones when they do pan the crowd. THERE IS NO EASY FIX or it would be taken care of by now.

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Allow me to put on my Hoople Hat on for a moment....

How do we know FBS is the fix for that? How do we know the trends we're seeing aren't just a reflection fading interest in live college football (and live sports in general) from fans all over the country?

Average attendance for App St and Georgia Southern in 2012 (the last year they were in FCS and eligible for the postseason) was 26,538 and 18,487 respectively. Last year it was 21,953 and 16,802 respectively. If NDSU makes the same move and sees the same attendance declines now you've got even more ground to make up due to the added costs of being an FBS athletic department.

NDSU athletics pushed all their chips into the middle in 2002 and won big. Should we be so anxious to see them push the big stack they've accumulated in the last 10-15 years into the middle again? It's a high risk/high reward gamble same as that one in 2002 was and there's no easy answer as to whether the right move is to shove again or check our option.

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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos

Allow me to put on my Hoople Hat on for a moment....

How do we know FBS is the fix for that? How do we know the trends we're seeing aren't just a reflection fading interest in live college football (and live sports in general) from fans all over the country?

Average attendance for App St and Georgia Southern in 2012 (the last year they were in FCS and eligible for the postseason) was 26,538 and 18,487 respectively. Last year it was 21,953 and 16,802 respectively. If NDSU makes the same move and sees the same attendance declines now you've got even more ground to make up due to the added costs of being an FBS athletic department.

NDSU athletics pushed all their chips into the middle in 2002 and won big. Should we be so anxious to see them push the big stack they've accumulated in the last 10-15 years into the middle again? It's a high risk/high reward gamble same as that one in 2002 was and there's no easy answer as to whether the right move is to shove again or check our option.

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Football only would come with some added costs but i think it would be doable. 44 more scholarships to fun and a bit more required for coaches salaries. Obviously the conference invite would be needed. I think any FBS tv contract would add a little bit of coin, also it seems that G5 schools get better guarantees when they play P5 schools than FCS schools do. I don't think a new stadium would be required for a move up, just something that gets tossed into that conversation. Sure, a new stadium could help bring in more revenue if there were more seats to fill, but obviously it would be a giant mountain to climb with no outside help in sight.

Not an argument for or against moving up, just the way I see things. Best case would be the P5/G5 split, obviously.



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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos

Allow me to put on my Hoople Hat on for a moment....

How do we know FBS is the fix for that? How do we know the trends we're seeing aren't just a reflection fading interest in live college football (and live sports in general) from fans all over the country?

Average attendance for App St and Georgia Southern in 2012 (the last year they were in FCS and eligible for the postseason) was 26,538 and 18,487 respectively. Last year it was 21,953 and 16,802 respectively. If NDSU makes the same move and sees the same attendance declines now you've got even more ground to make up due to the added costs of being an FBS athletic department.

NDSU athletics pushed all their chips into the middle in 2002 and won big. Should we be so anxious to see them push the big stack they've accumulated in the last 10-15 years into the middle again? It's a high risk/high reward gamble same as that one in 2002 was and there's no easy answer as to whether the right move is to shove again or check our option.

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Ooo, ooo, ooo, I've got this one. Why is FBS the fix? Because we are all comfy and cozy up north with our team that wins the "JV" league or "DII." All of you (most) get the luxury of living in a place where Bison football is respected. Let me tell you that in the south, there is zero. Very few (and I mean VERY FEW) know who NDSU is, let alone that we are good. I've had this conversation with literally hundreds of people. Outside of the SEC, ACC, and B1G, they have no respect. There is only one national title and I say that anyone that says we shouldn't go up...doesn't have the belief that we could dominate at that level. Well, I for one do. It's an easy cop-out to say that you don't care what other people think. It's another thing all together when people wave you off as someone that doesn't know what they're talking about when you discuss NDSU. It's time to play with the big boys. TIME TO PUSH ALL IN AGAIN!

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Originally Posted by MankatoBison

Time to prove me wrong 56- what is ONE benefit of FBS? show everyone how Libelous I am, and prove that I was lying!

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Ive already proved youre a liar.

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Originally Posted by Deep North

Ooo, ooo, ooo, I've got this one. Why is FBS the fix? Because we are all comfy and cozy up north with our team that wins the "JV" league or "DII." All of you (most) get the luxury of living in a place where Bison football is respected. Let me tell you that in the south, there is zero. Very few (and I mean VERY FEW) know who NDSU is, let alone that we are good. I've had this conversation with literally hundreds of people. Outside of the SEC, ACC, and B1G, they have no respect. There is only one national title and I say that anyone that says we shouldn't go up...doesn't have the belief that we could dominate at that level. Well, I for one do. It's an easy cop-out to say that you don't care what other people think. It's another thing all together when people wave you off as someone that doesn't know what they're talking about when you discuss NDSU. It's time to play with the big boys. TIME TO PUSH ALL IN AGAIN!

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+++++++++++ time 2 push all in again right on they money buddy-----------AAC, tear DOWN this WALL!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Deep North

Ooo, ooo, ooo, I've got this one. Why is FBS the fix? Because we are all comfy and cozy up north with our team that wins the "JV" league or "DII." All of you (most) get the luxury of living in a place where Bison football is respected. Let me tell you that in the south, there is zero. Very few (and I mean VERY FEW) know who NDSU is, let alone that we are good. I've had this conversation with literally hundreds of people. Outside of the SEC, ACC, and B1G, they have no respect. There is only one national title and I say that anyone that says we shouldn't go up...doesn't have the belief that we could dominate at that level. Well, I for one do. It's an easy cop-out to say that you don't care what other people think. It's another thing all together when people wave you off as someone that doesn't know what they're talking about when you discuss NDSU. It's time to play with the big boys. TIME TO PUSH ALL IN AGAIN!

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So, we should move up so that football fans that don't currently know about NDSU will respect us? And getting into the MAC or Mountain West will get us that apparently much needed respect?

I agree that the NCAA hands out one D1 championship every year......and it's the one that NDSU has been winning. The FBS championship isn't an NCAA event....

A move up will have nothing to do with a push from fans or even how good we are at football, and definitely shouldn't be tied to any amount of perceived disrespect.

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Originally Posted by Deep North

Ooo, ooo, ooo, I've got this one. Why is FBS the fix? Because we are all comfy and cozy up north with our team that wins the "JV" league or "DII." All of you (most) get the luxury of living in a place where Bison football is respected. Let me tell you that in the south, there is zero. Very few (and I mean VERY FEW) know who NDSU is, let alone that we are good. I've had this conversation with literally hundreds of people. Outside of the SEC, ACC, and B1G, they have no respect. There is only one national title and I say that anyone that says we shouldn't go up...doesn't have the belief that we could dominate at that level. Well, I for one do. It's an easy cop-out to say that you don't care what other people think. It's another thing all together when people wave you off as someone that doesn't know what they're talking about when you discuss NDSU. It's time to play with the big boys. TIME TO PUSH ALL IN AGAIN!

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So how does people in the south knowing who NDSU is help the program? It apparently would help your pride but I don't think it would help bring in more donor money, increase attendance, or help all that much in recruiting.

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Originally Posted by Deep North

Ooo, ooo, ooo, I've got this one. Why is FBS the fix? Because we are all comfy and cozy up north with our team that wins the "JV" league or "DII." All of you (most) get the luxury of living in a place where Bison football is respected. Let me tell you that in the south, there is zero. Very few (and I mean VERY FEW) know who NDSU is, let alone that we are good. I've had this conversation with literally hundreds of people. Outside of the SEC, ACC, and B1G, they have no respect. There is only one national title and I say that anyone that says we shouldn't go up...doesn't have the belief that we could dominate at that level. Well, I for one do. It's an easy cop-out to say that you don't care what other people think. It's another thing all together when people wave you off as someone that doesn't know what they're talking about when you discuss NDSU. It's time to play with the big boys. TIME TO PUSH ALL IN AGAIN!

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I don't give a rats ass that people "don't talk" about NDSU, confirming that the FBS crowd is just attention whoring. On top of that, you named 3 conferences NDSU can't get into. So there's that.

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Originally Posted by Deep North

Ooo, ooo, ooo, I've got this one. Why is FBS the fix? Because we are all comfy and cozy up north with our team that wins the "JV" league or "DII." All of you (most) get the luxury of living in a place where Bison football is respected. Let me tell you that in the south, there is zero. Very few (and I mean VERY FEW) know who NDSU is, let alone that we are good. I've had this conversation with literally hundreds of people. Outside of the SEC, ACC, and B1G, they have no respect. There is only one national title and I say that anyone that says we shouldn't go up...doesn't have the belief that we could dominate at that level. Well, I for one do. It's an easy cop-out to say that you don't care what other people think. It's another thing all together when people wave you off as someone that doesn't know what they're talking about when you discuss NDSU. It's time to play with the big boys. TIME TO PUSH ALL IN AGAIN!

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I call bullshit. I lived in the south and travel the south and tell you with certainty that if they are a football fan they know of NDSU. Nice try.

A friend of mine that I met through work, lives in Atlanta and is a Bama fan, true Southerner, was fully aware of NDSU when we met.

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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos

Allow me to put on my Hoople Hat on for a moment....

How do we know FBS is the fix for that? How do we know the trends we're seeing aren't just a reflection fading interest in live college football (and live sports in general) from fans all over the country?

Average attendance for App St and Georgia Southern in 2012 (the last year they were in FCS and eligible for the postseason) was 26,538 and 18,487 respectively. Last year it was 21,953 and 16,802 respectively. If NDSU makes the same move and sees the same attendance declines now you've got even more ground to make up due to the added costs of being an FBS athletic department.

NDSU athletics pushed all their chips into the middle in 2002 and won big. Should we be so anxious to see them push the big stack they've accumulated in the last 10-15 years into the middle again? It's a high risk/high reward gamble same as that one in 2002 was and there's no easy answer as to whether the right move is to shove again or check our option.

<takes off my Hoople Hat>

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Why is it called a "Hoople Hat?"

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Originally Posted by heffray

Why is it called a "Hoople Hat?"

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Because if you don't think NDSU should have forced their way into an FBS conference yesterday you're from Hoople… or so I've heard.