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El_Chapo
oh so only need 1/5th population whoa.
Make it happen El Senor. Make it happen. Regular season has become a pre season and Conference has become regular season for us.
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Hammerhead
Look at the people filling seats now. There will be far fewer kids and people over 50 when the temp drops below 45 degrees.
This...I am a big proponent of a move up, however let's be honest. 33.3% of the dome is filled with kids, grandparents and non sports fans who go simply because it is a cool place to see friends and be seen. By the way, I thinks that's great and it is a direct result of the magic that only football has on alumni. It is an event that draws one back to campus in order celebrate relationships in a place you love. With that said, none of those folks are showing up when it's below 40 degrees outside with freezing rain, let alone Fargo winter temps, to watch the Bison host Wyoming. Any future FBS move hast to be centered around a dome. For the record, If we could find a way to squeeze in 25,000 to the Dome via an end zone expansion along with the suites as has been bantered about on here then that would do 90% of what we would need. Ya ya, we can't expand the dome etc...BS. The crumb counters on here will complain that the return on investment isn't there. Again, I call BS. The return might not be there in terms of the seats paying for themselves but what is the cost of losing long term alumni engagement? What's the cost in letting the football program whither away like it did in DII because we let things get stagnant. I am in the Ag business and attend a lot of contuing education classes out of state usually put on by Iowa State, Minnesota, and occasionally K State. I swear to you, since the move to DI coupled with the success of football, NDSU research has shed a lot of it's Little brother monicker that we dealt with for years. I know that it's not supposed to matter to academic types and others in the industry however I assure you it does as perception is reality. A successful athletic program makes everyone associated with NDSU look better.
Finally, to prove my point...There are quite a few posters on here that were very involved with NDSU as students that gradually lost touch with the school. What brought them back around was DI sports, particularly football. Is there another generation that is slowly losing touch right now as well as FCS champs and Frisco are becoming old hat? Your damn right there is. Again, most of the folks on here are the die hards and would follow the Bison in the NAIA so dont throw that at me. Our run of Natty's will end and someday we will be just another above average football program again. It happens to even the best in the P5. When that happens we will lose all the national media coverage we have so thoroughly enjoyed. The only way to retain national media coverage is to play FBS ball.
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Originally Posted by
AKBison
This...I am a big proponent of a move up, however let's be honest. 33.3% of the dome is filled with kids, grandparents and non sports fans who go simply because it is a cool place to see friends and be seen. By the way, I thinks that's great and it is a direct result of the magic that only football has on alumni. It is an event that draws one back to campus in order celebrate relationships in a place you love. With that said, none of those folks are showing up when it's below 40 degrees outside with freezing rain, let alone Fargo winter temps, to watch the Bison host Wyoming. Any future FBS move hast to be centered around a dome. For the record, If we could find a way to squeeze in 25,000 to the Dome via an end zone expansion along with the suites as has been bantered about on here then that would do 90% of what we would need. Ya ya, we can't expand the dome etc...BS. The crumb counters on here will complain that the return on investment isn't there. Again, I call BS. The return might not be there in terms of the seats paying for themselves but what is the cost of losing long term alumni engagement? What's the cost in letting the football program whither away like it did in DII because we let things get stagnant. I am in the Ag business and attend a lot of contuing education classes out of state usually put on by Iowa State, Minnesota, and occasionally K State. I swear to you, since the move to DI coupled with the success of football, NDSU research has shed a lot of it's Little brother monicker that we dealt with for years. I know that it's not supposed to matter to academic types and others in the industry however I assure you it does as perception is reality. A successful athletic program makes everyone associated with NDSU look better.
Finally, to prove my point...There are quite a few posters on here that were very involved with NDSU as students that gradually lost touch with the school. What brought them back around was DI sports, particularly football. Is there another generation that is slowly losing touch right now as well as FCS champs and Frisco are becoming old hat? Your damn right there is. Again, most of the folks on here are the die hards and would follow the Bison in the NAIA so dont throw that at me. Our run of Natty's will end and someday we will be just another above average football program again. It happens to even the best in the P5. When that happens we will lose all the national media coverage we have so thoroughly enjoyed. The only way to retain national media coverage is to play FBS ball.
We peaked 4 years ago and haven't been able to maintain
The fans are bored with the regular season since there are only a couple tough games. The atmosphere is 25% what it used to be. Its not loud like it used to be and if it is it's for like a few drives. Tailgating is solid but dead compared to what it used to be. We used to sell out every ticket including standing room. Now there are 1000 left on a day when its 40 degrees late season. Even the Gameday presentation has gotten boring. Same shit. Its become very expensive for the same routine
Even the playoffs are losing its luster because 2nd round game is against some pud team like San Diego which has a 1% chance of winning. Then the next 2 games are good..
Either Frisco or the Semi is the true Championship game.
It's sad since the team works their ass off but the gap between the only 4 contenders is growing. No longer is there a Georgia Southern or Appalachian State. Its SDSU and JMU. Maybe 1 other team like Montana could win
But when there is a great game, the fans are into it.
The shape the FCS is in... well always be good. Maybe not a National Championship every year, but deep playoff runs. We have a Gameday experience that even at its worst, is pretty amazing to recruits. We have tradition and mystique to recruits. We are fully funded. We do full cost of attendance and pay coaches well enough to retain them or attract quality replacements. Our facilities are the best and will get better with the IPF. Geographically we are the same. Our media exposure, TV and radio, is the best in the FCS.
The only thing that could derail us is a few terrible years where we see season tickets drop which would hurt revenue. One of the negatives is we depend on private money. But that's also a motivator to do well. But as long as we keep systems in place, we will be a top 10 team, just like Division 2. Weve had 3 losing seasons since 1964. Unless they cut scholarships.
I feel like weve milked FCS for all its worth and fans are starting to catch on
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HerdBot
We peaked 4 years ago and haven't been able to maintain
The fans are bored with the regular season since there are only a couple tough games. The atmosphere is 25% what it used to be. Its not loud like it used to be and if it is it's for like a few drives. Tailgating is solid but dead compared to what it used to be. We used to sell out every ticket including standing room. Now there are 1000 left on a day when its 40 degrees late season. Even the Gameday presentation has gotten boring. Same shit. Its become very expensive for the same routine
Even the playoffs are losing its luster because 2nd round game is against some pud team like San Diego which has a 1% chance of winning. Then the next 2 games are good..
Either Frisco or the Semi is the true Championship game.
It's sad since the team works their ass off but the gap between the only 4 contenders is growing. No longer is there a Georgia Southern or Appalachian State. Its SDSU and JMU. Maybe 1 other team like Montana could win
But when there is a great game, the fans are into it.
The shape the FCS is in... well always be good. Maybe not a National Championship every year, but deep playoff runs. We have a Gameday experience that even at its worst, is pretty amazing to recruits. We have tradition and mystique to recruits. We are fully funded. We do full cost of attendance and pay coaches well enough to retain them or attract quality replacements. Our facilities are the best and will get better with the IPF. Geographically we are the same. Our media exposure, TV and radio, is the best in the FCS.
The only thing that could derail us is a few terrible years where we see season tickets drop which would hurt revenue. One of the negatives is we depend on private money. But that's also a motivator to do well. But as long as we keep systems in place, we will be a top 10 team, just like Division 2. Weve had 3 losing seasons since 1964. Unless they cut scholarships.
I feel like weve milked FCS for all its worth and fans are starting to catch on
People are nine years older. Thats 6 different classes that have come and graduated. Plus everyone else for the most part has matured over that time and the crazy shit is a thing of the past except for a select few. And they are the ones always bitching. So thats one thing that hasnt changed.
Be careful for what you wish for. There are many who would die to have these supposed issues. Remember---its only a problem if you want it to be.
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Originally Posted by
HerdBot
We peaked 4 years ago and haven't been able to maintain
The fans are bored with the regular season since there are only a couple tough games. The atmosphere is 25% what it used to be. Its not loud like it used to be and if it is it's for like a few drives. Tailgating is solid but dead compared to what it used to be. We used to sell out every ticket including standing room. Now there are 1000 left on a day when its 40 degrees late season. Even the Gameday presentation has gotten boring. Same shit. Its become very expensive for the same routine
Even the playoffs are losing its luster because 2nd round game is against some pud team like San Diego which has a 1% chance of winning. Then the next 2 games are good..
Either Frisco or the Semi is the true Championship game.
It's sad since the team works their ass off but the gap between the only 4 contenders is growing. No longer is there a Georgia Southern or Appalachian State. Its SDSU and JMU. Maybe 1 other team like Montana could win
But when there is a great game, the fans are into it.
The shape the FCS is in... well always be good. Maybe not a National Championship every year, but deep playoff runs. We have a Gameday experience that even at its worst, is pretty amazing to recruits. We have tradition and mystique to recruits. We are fully funded. We do full cost of attendance and pay coaches well enough to retain them or attract quality replacements. Our facilities are the best and will get better with the IPF. Geographically we are the same. Our media exposure, TV and radio, is the best in the FCS.
The only thing that could derail us is a few terrible years where we see season tickets drop which would hurt revenue. One of the negatives is we depend on private money. But that's also a motivator to do well. But as long as we keep systems in place, we will be a top 10 team, just like Division 2. Weve had 3 losing seasons since 1964. Unless they cut scholarships.
I feel like weve milked FCS for all its worth and fans are starting to catch on
If there's 1000 open seats, how come there are 2000 people on season ticket waiting list? Sell those single game tickets as season tickets and I think we've solved this issue/problem.... The hell with single game tickets; make them all season tickets.
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fmfantasy
What else is there to talk about? go read the last 3-4 game week threads.. we dont even think about these other teams anymore.. It used to at least seem like these other teams had talent or impact players we discussed.. now its just how does ESPN plus work-kvly sucks- wentz WRs suck...
These other teams have given up too- go read their forums even the worst of them dont talk smack or even think their team can win.... We all bitch about the g5 has no chance at a title... well how do you think the rest of the FCS fan base feels? you think they got a shot at a title?
You could, you know, enjoy the greatest run of sustained excellence ever seen at this level of college football.
If you really need something to bitch about go watch the men's basketball team on offense for a while. They'll give you plenty of ammo there.
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Originally Posted by
AKBison
This...I am a big proponent of a move up, however let's be honest. 33.3% of the dome is filled with kids, grandparents and non sports fans who go simply because it is a cool place to see friends and be seen. By the way, I thinks that's great and it is a direct result of the magic that only football has on alumni. It is an event that draws one back to campus in order celebrate relationships in a place you love. With that said, none of those folks are showing up when it's below 40 degrees outside with freezing rain, let alone Fargo winter temps, to watch the Bison host Wyoming. Any future FBS move hast to be centered around a dome. For the record, If we could find a way to squeeze in 25,000 to the Dome via an end zone expansion along with the suites as has been bantered about on here then that would do 90% of what we would need. Ya ya, we can't expand the dome etc...BS. The crumb counters on here will complain that the return on investment isn't there. Again, I call BS. The return might not be there in terms of the seats paying for themselves but what is the cost of losing long term alumni engagement? What's the cost in letting the football program whither away like it did in DII because we let things get stagnant. I am in the Ag business and attend a lot of contuing education classes out of state usually put on by Iowa State, Minnesota, and occasionally K State. I swear to you, since the move to DI coupled with the success of football, NDSU research has shed a lot of it's Little brother monicker that we dealt with for years. I know that it's not supposed to matter to academic types and others in the industry however I assure you it does as perception is reality. A successful athletic program makes everyone associated with NDSU look better.
Finally, to prove my point...There are quite a few posters on here that were very involved with NDSU as students that gradually lost touch with the school. What brought them back around was DI sports, particularly football. Is there another generation that is slowly losing touch right now as well as FCS champs and Frisco are becoming old hat? Your damn right there is. Again, most of the folks on here are the die hards and would follow the Bison in the NAIA so dont throw that at me. Our run of Natty's will end and someday we will be just another above average football program again. It happens to even the best in the P5. When that happens we will lose all the national media coverage we have so thoroughly enjoyed. The only way to retain national media coverage is to play FBS ball.
I think the point of the cost of expanding the dome for NDSU you're almost better off building a new dome for the kind of money it takes to significantly expand Fargodome.
If Montana and Montana State can get back to prominence again as seems like since we killed MSU in 2010 neither one of them has done much. Would help a little bit as they're both teams we've heard about forever so fanbase would be energized at least for that and they have the history and such to take NDSU down if they can put together a decent team.
Heck Montana did just slightly less than us in 2000s than we did in 2010s. With tougher competition according to all ya.
But the elephant in the room is what conference do we go to? All we've heard is some sportswriters putting us in the conversation just to fill words in their article... Nothing on this is a good fit for NDSU other than we have a good football team so we will compete right away.
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To me the frustrating part is that other fcs teams aren’t rising to the level NDSU is at. There are some exceptions but even within our conference it feels like to some extent teams have given up.
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56BISON73
People are nine years older. Thats 6 different classes that have come and graduated. Plus everyone else for the most part has matured over that time and the crazy shit is a thing of the past except for a select few. And they are the ones always bitching. So thats one thing that hasnt changed.
Be careful for what you wish for. There are many who would die to have these supposed issues. Remember---its only a problem if you want it to be.
I agree. I'm more using it as an example of how fan base is getting a little bored with the lack of competition. For the non hardcore fans, you spend 50 a ticket for a game that's over by halftime and then fight your way through traffic. It's like rooting for the Harlem Globetrotters at times.
That's a hell of an accomplishment but the vibe seems to be "I've seen this movie already. "
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If the P5 would just break off already, then the G5 could have its own playoff system, utilize the lower bowls as playoff games, and have a National Championship. I'd now maybe be in favor of moving up, but do the Great West thing and form your own conference. Take NDSU, SDSU, UNI, Griz, 'Cats, and one more team (grab an indy or another MVFC/Fluffy school). Fight your way up to either national relevance as a conference or get enough attention for an invite elsewhere. Follow the pattern that got you here...
Get Midco, Altitude, or Root on board with the new conference and negotiate exclusive TV/streaming rights.
The MVFC is only going to get more crowded with UND, and will Augie and/or St. Thomas want in eventually? This will really water down the Valley, and will either have to be split into east and west, north and south, or two conferences.
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HerdBot
I agree. I'm more using it as an example of how fan base is getting a little bored with the lack of competition. For the non hardcore fans, you spend 50 a ticket for a game that's over by halftime and then fight your way through traffic. It's like rooting for the Harlem Globetrotters at times.
That's a hell of an accomplishment but the vibe seems to be "I've seen this movie already. "
And those same fans wouldn't get bored playing Houston and eastern Carolina? Im sorry the g5 does nothing for me.
Now we start playing Kansas state, Oklahoma, and Texas every year you've got my attention.
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Originally Posted by
primespareribs
If the P5 would just break off already, then the G5 could have its own playoff system, utilize the lower bowls as playoff games, and have a National Championship. I'd now maybe be in favor of moving up, but do the Great West thing and form your own conference. Take NDSU, SDSU, UNI, Griz, 'Cats, and one more team (grab an indy or another MVFC/Fluffy school). Fight your way up to either national relevance as a conference or get enough attention for an invite elsewhere. Follow the pattern that got you here...
Get Midco, Altitude, or Root on board with the new conference and negotiate exclusive TV/streaming rights.
The MVFC is only going to get more crowded with UND, and will Augie and/or St. Thomas want in eventually? This will really water down the Valley, and will either have to be split into east and west, north and south, or two conferences.
the G5 breakup has been talked on here for 10 years. even NDSU admin have mentioned it
ITS NEVER HAPPENING!!! THOSE SCHOOLA DONT WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED W PUD FCS SCHOOLS....AND NDSU SHOULDNT EITHER
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scottietohottie
And those same fans wouldn't get bored playing Houston and eastern Carolina? Im sorry the g5 does nothing for me.
Now we start playing Kansas state, Oklahoma, and Texas every year you've got my attention.
Agreed. Personally, I go to Bison games to watch NDSU not the opponent. I get more excited for good opponents but that's always going to be relative. I think 4-7 New Mexico St would garner about the same amount of excitement in the fan base as a 4-7 South Dakota.
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Professor Chaos
Agreed. Personally, I go to Bison games to watch NDSU not the opponent. I get more excited for good opponents but that's always going to be relative. I think 4-7 New Mexico St would garner about the same amount of excitement in the fan base as a 4-7 South Dakota.
this is just not true. The 4-7 New Mexico team would be VASTLY superior to the USD team. The outcome might still be a W for the Bison but the game would sure be a lot more interesting.
I used to be anti-FBS but i have now switched.
The way i see it, in the FBS the regular season matters and so does the scores of those games. Right now we have 3-4 games annually (including the Frisco game) that we could potentially care about. In the FBS, since you are playing for bowl positioning they all matter.
I will always support the Bison but to be honest I didn't even watch more than 5 minutes of this weekends game (and that was just to see Snorty on the helmets). That didn't use to be the case. While others may "die" to be in our shoes we have broken the FCS and it is now stagnant.
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NDSUguy
this is just not true. The 4-7 New Mexico team would be VASTLY superior to the USD team. The outcome might still be a W for the Bison but the game would sure be a lot more interesting.
I used to be anti-FBS but i have now switched.
The way i see it, in the FBS the regular season matters and so does the scores of those games. Right now we have 3-4 games annually (including the Frisco game) that we could potentially care about. In the FBS, since you are playing for bowl positioning they all matter.
I will always support the Bison but to be honest I didn't even watch more than 5 minutes of this weekends game (and that was just to see Snorty on the helmets). That didn't use to be the case. While others may "die" to be in our shoes we have broken the FCS and it is now stagnant.
I'm not saying they're not a better team... I'm saying fans wouldn't get any more excited for New Mexico St if the Bison were in the Sun Belt than they would for South Dakota with the Bison being in the MVFC.
You and I are wired differently in that regard. I love watching my team blow out the opponent. I thoroughly enjoyed watching the Bison offense completely outclass USD's defense in every aspect of the game when they both were out there.
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Just wait till my prediction of this team going undefeated in the 2019 season comes to fruition with another National Championship. That will mean that we have gone 2 full seasons without a loss against FCS competition and over 2 1/4 calendar years without a loss to FCS competition and will be riding a 37 game win streak with this particular team that's supposedly on what was described as our rebuilding year.
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scottietohottie
And those same fans wouldn't get bored playing Houston and eastern Carolina? Im sorry the g5 does nothing for me.
Now we start playing Kansas state, Oklahoma, and Texas every year you've got my attention.
I would rather watch Houston than Induana State, Western Illinois, and Misery State. Plus when you are FBS, Big 12 schools will actually schedule you. AAC has produced some great players. Road trips in front of 2000 at Indiana State or mediocre road games at Tulane or Tulsa with only 10-15k
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23Bison
Just wait till my prediction of this team going undefeated in the 2019 season comes to fruition with another National Championship. That will mean that we have gone 2 full seasons without a loss against FCS competition and over 2 1/4 calendar years without a loss to FCS competition and will be riding a 37 game win streak with this particular team that's supposedly on what was described as our rebuilding year.
And in that regard, things are only going to get tougher for the rest of FCS. This is a very young team, and maybe partially why we are seeing so many penalties. If ever there was a year for NDSU to slow a step, this was it. Fast forward to 11-0 and what is easily the best offensive unit NDSU has ever fielded. What do the next 3 seasons bring? Maybe a loss to Oregon next September, but that will be the most competitive game we play in. Honestly I expect the scores to be much more lopsided next year, if that can be even fathomed. As frustrated as sdsu and uni fans are with us, this is only the beginning because it really makes no difference how good their teams are.
Still no response on how we payed for the D1 move and why moving to FBS would be so much different (it’s not). When president Chapman was around he provided the leadership, vision, and motivation. We didn’t have a conference (literally nobody wanted us), we didn’t have any idea how to pay for the move up (Gene Taylor worked his ass off), people constantly saying how it is better to be a big fish in a small pond, etc, so no way we would compete for a national title, etc.
If that sounds familiar that is because it is. Hearing same comments today about FBS.
those comments aged well
All I’m asking is keep having the conversations, and maybe there will be an opportunity for NDSU to be opportunistic in the future like we were in 2002. That day isn’t today, but trying to slam the door shut on the idea or tear down certain posters every time it comes up isn’t a productive strategy.
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X-Factor
And in that regard, things are only going to get tougher for the rest of FCS. This is a very young team, and maybe partially why we are seeing so many penalties. If ever there was a year for NDSU to slow a step, this was it. Fast forward to 11-0 and what is easily the best offensive unit NDSU has ever fielded. What do the next 3 seasons bring? Maybe a loss to Oregon next September, but that will be the most competitive game we play in. Honestly I expect the scores to be much more lopsided next year, if that can be even fathomed. As frustrated as sdsu and uni fans are with us, this is only the beginning because it really makes no difference how good their teams are.
Still no response on how we payed for the D1 move and why moving to FBS would be so much different (it’s not). When president Chapman was around he provided the leadership, vision, and motivation. We didn’t have a conference (literally nobody wanted us), we didn’t have any idea how to pay for the move up (Gene Taylor worked his ass off), people constantly saying how it is better to be a big fish in a small pond, etc, so no way we would compete for a national title, etc.
If that sounds familiar that is because it is. Hearing same comments today about FBS.
those comments aged well
All I’m asking is keep having the conversations, and maybe there will be an opportunity for NDSU to be opportunistic in the future like we were in 2002. That day isn’t today, but trying to slam the door shut on the idea or tear down certain posters every time it comes up isn’t a productive strategy.
I think the bolded is very true. The problem is Matt Larsen has no reason to go out and tell everyone that "yeah, I've told the Mountain West and the MAC to give us a call if they're ever looking to add in the future" so we don't know whether these conversations are or aren't happening because they don't happen on record.
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Professor Chaos
I think the bolded is very true. The problem is Matt Larsen has no reason to go out and tell everyone that "yeah, I've told the Mountain West and the MAC to give us a call if they're ever looking to add in the future" so we don't know whether these conversations are or aren't happening because they don't happen on record.
You are right about ML. No way that they make those conversations public. That being said, I think that a lot could be done to do a feasibility study. This wouldn't require a move but would at least put to bed most of the assumptions about the costs and barriers to a move. No way that we would make a move without one so might as well get it out of the way so that should the time come we have something that we can use to help prepare for the move.
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NDSUguy
this is just not true. The 4-7 New Mexico team would be VASTLY superior to the USD team. The outcome might still be a W for the Bison but the game would sure be a lot more interesting.
I used to be anti-FBS but i have now switched.
The way i see it, in the FBS the regular season matters and so does the scores of those games. Right now we have 3-4 games annually (including the Frisco game) that we could potentially care about. In the FBS, since you are playing for bowl positioning they all matter.
I will always support the Bison but to be honest I didn't even watch more than 5 minutes of this weekends game (and that was just to see Snorty on the helmets). That didn't use to be the case. While others may "die" to be in our shoes we have broken the FCS and it is now stagnant.
BOOM!! Welcome Aboard!
Tony has been merging threads lately.. might as well merge this with Bigger and Better FBS thread!
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Originally Posted by
X-Factor
And in that regard, things are only going to get tougher for the rest of FCS. This is a very young team, and maybe partially why we are seeing so many penalties. If ever there was a year for NDSU to slow a step, this was it. Fast forward to 11-0 and what is easily the best offensive unit NDSU has ever fielded. What do the next 3 seasons bring? Maybe a loss to Oregon next September, but that will be the most competitive game we play in. Honestly I expect the scores to be much more lopsided next year, if that can be even fathomed. As frustrated as sdsu and uni fans are with us, this is only the beginning because it really makes no difference how good their teams are.
Still no response on how we payed for the D1 move and why moving to FBS would be so much different (it’s not). When president Chapman was around he provided the leadership, vision, and motivation. We didn’t have a conference (literally nobody wanted us), we didn’t have any idea how to pay for the move up (Gene Taylor worked his ass off), people constantly saying how it is better to be a big fish in a small pond, etc, so no way we would compete for a national title, etc.
If that sounds familiar that is because it is. Hearing same comments today about FBS.
those comments aged well
All I’m asking is keep having the conversations, and maybe there will be an opportunity for NDSU to be opportunistic in the future like we were in 2002. That day isn’t today, but trying to slam the door shut on the idea or tear down certain posters every time it comes up isn’t a productive strategy.
Even as a pro FBS true believer, I don't think the time is quite right for us. We need to bring our facilities up to snuff before any move up. The Dome and future home of football can be settled later. However, we need to get this IPF done, need to get the Softball stadium and attached IPF done, need to get T&F squared away, and finally need to get the basketball situation figured out. Meaning we need to either dump another 20 million in the SHAC so that the arena portion can be properly configured or we need to lay the groundwork to build new. We currently have about the 5th best arena in the Summit and that's not going to fly in a true mid major or above league.
When we go FBS every extra dollar will need to go to Football in order to ensure a successful transition. Getting bogged down in an Olympics facilities arms race to make us more attractive to perspective conferences would be a killer.
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AKBison
Even as a pro FBS true believer, I don't think the time is quite right for us. We need to bring our facilities up to snuff before any move up. The Dome and future home of football can be settled later. However, we need to get this IPF done, need to get the Softball stadium and attached IPF done, need to get T&F squared away, and finally need to get the basketball situation figured out. Meaning we need to either dump another 20 million in the SHAC so that the arena portion can be properly configured or we need to lay the groundwork to build new. We currently have about the 5th best arena in the Summit and that's not going to fly in a true mid major or above league.
When we go FBS every extra dollar will need to go to Football in order to ensure a successful transition. Getting bogged down in an Olympics facilities arms race to make us more attractive to perspective conferences would be a killer.
I may have missed this but what is the problem with the arena in the SHAC?
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AKBison
Even as a pro FBS true believer, I don't think the time is quite right for us. We need to bring our facilities up to snuff before any move up. The Dome and future home of football can be settled later. However, we need to get this IPF done, need to get the Softball stadium and attached IPF done, need to get T&F squared away, and finally need to get the basketball situation figured out. Meaning we need to either dump another 20 million in the SHAC so that the arena portion can be properly configured or we need to lay the groundwork to build new. We currently have about the 5th best arena in the Summit and that's not going to fly in a true mid major or above league.
When we go FBS every extra dollar will need to go to Football in order to ensure a successful transition. Getting bogged down in an Olympics facilities arms race to make us more attractive to perspective conferences would be a killer.
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Have you been to the SHAC or the softball field?
They're nicer than many/most venues in DI.
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The only issue I know of in the SHAC is the row spacing between seats.
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AAC haha that’s awesome.
Unless it’s B12 you can have my tickets.
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daddy daycare
AAC haha that’s awesome.
Unless it’s B12 you can have my tickets.
Awesome!! What seats are they and how many do I get? I'll send pics during each game so its like you were still there.
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I often wonder what the catalyst was behind making the D2 to D1 transition. I mean yeah the tradition was there, but its not like we were curb stomping everyone at the D2 level and all the signs pointed to moving up. It seems like now, especially with all the improvement in facilities across all sports, would make the most sense in regards to timing. Also, as far as athletic revenue goes, the MAC makes much more sense than the AAC or the MW for that matter. We'd immediately compete for a MAC championship and would more that likely end every season with 9-10 wins.
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G_Funky
I often wonder what the catalyst was behind making the D2 to D1 transition. I mean yeah the tradition was there, but its not like we were curb stomping everyone at the D2 level and all the signs pointed to moving up. It seems like now, especially with all the improvement in facilities across all sports, would make the most sense in regards to timing. Also, as far as athletic revenue goes, the MAC makes much more sense than the AAC or the MW for that matter. We'd immediately compete for a MAC championship and would more that likely end every season with 9-10 wins.
MAC & MWC DON"T WANT NDSU BECAUSE WE'D BE #1 or #2 PROGRAM the 1st day we play. that's a huge hurdle NDSU has with them, outside of geography.
NDSU football flies to Terra Haute, Springfield, Normal already. flying to Tulsa, Cincinatti, Texas is not some drastic change in travel dollars.
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B12 or bust. Get your heads out of your g5 asses.
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El_Chapo
MAC & MWC DON"T WANT NDSU BECAUSE WE'D BE #1 or #2 PROGRAM the 1st day we play. that's a huge hurdle NDSU has with them, outside of geography.
NDSU football flies to Terra Haute, Springfield, Normal already. flying to Tulsa, Cincinatti, Texas is not some drastic change in travel dollars.
Oh please the Sun Belt didn't care about Appy or Georgia Southern coming through and consistently competing for a conference title. They care about adding quality programs that are going to bring them cash. NDSU would be wonderful for the MAC.
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Grass isn’t always greener.
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Top MAC teams in the current Sagarin's ratings:
Western Michigan #74.
Miami-Ohio: #86.
Buffalo: #91.
Ohio: #96.
Central Michigan: #99.
Toledo: #100.
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Grass isn’t always greener.
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Has been so far.
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23Bison
Awesome!! What seats are they and how many do I get? I'll send pics during each game so its like you were still there.
Section 25. 5 rows off the end zone. You can have em if that's the junk we're shooting for. Should be epic when Cincy Bearcats come rolling into town.
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daddy daycare
AAC haha that’s awesome.
Unless it’s B12 you can have my tickets.
Beggers can't be choosers.
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G_Funky
I often wonder what the catalyst was behind making the D2 to D1 transition.
Joe Chapman.
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daddy daycare
Section 25. 5 rows off the end zone. You can have em if that's the junk we're shooting for. Should be epic when Cincy Bearcats come rolling into town.
Cincis ranked #17
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daddy daycare
Section 25. 5 rows off the end zone. You can have em if that's the junk we're shooting for. Should be epic when Cincy Bearcats come rolling into town.
This is literally the dumbest thing that i have read today. Our MVFC conference play is putrid at best. We should only hope that we have an opportunity to host a team like the Bearcats. So dumb.
