A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by ndsubison1

Our minor sports are no where near the level of the AAC. Football only invite is a pipe dream.

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This^^^^. It's really all that needs to be said in regards to this topic, the rest is just the same re-hashed arguments about why FBS will or won't work at NDSU.

If a football only invite from the AAC came NDSU would be foolish not to do everything in their power to make it work. But why on God's green earth the AAC would even consider NDSU is beyond me. The author falls into the same trap many on here do in thinking that FBS moves are primarily competitively driven. Also, if he wrote the "adding NDSU would boost the AAC's image" bit with a straight face he's spectacularly naïve. That comment would get you laughed out of the room of AAC administrators or fans alike.

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Originally Posted by wagsabison

I’m curious how that discussion went as well. Little before my time and I don’t recall everything that was involved. I do vaguely remember the Big Sky not wanting us.


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And a Big Sky commissioner

stating later they regretted that decision.

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Originally Posted by NDSUguy

It's a good football conference and would allow for a football only option.

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Any proof to this statement? Seems very odd they would deny UConn to stay as a football only member and then invite another school as a football only member. But you sound very confident so maybe I am wrong

Well part and maybe the only part to this is that UCONN football is complete trash and sucks money from the other schools for no gain. Just my humble opinion

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Originally Posted by 23Bison

Well part and maybe the only part to this is that UCONN football is complete trash and sucks money from the other schools for no gain. Just my humble opinion

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The no gain part you mentioned above is pretty ironic in regards to this discussion. What gain does NDSU bring the AAC? UConn is the only major state school in a state of 3.5M people and it's right in between the NYC and Boston metros. There's a lot of TV sets and a lot of potential AAC recruits in that area... a lot-lot more of both of those than are in ND and western MN.

People still believe success matters when it comes to an FBS invite. It's 99.99% tv/streaming viewership you can bring.

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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos

The no gain part you mentioned above is pretty ironic in regards to this discussion. What gain does NDSU bring the AAC? UConn is the only major state school in a state of 3.5M people and it's right in between the NYC and Boston metros. There's a lot of TV sets and a lot of potential AAC recruits in that area... a lot-lot more of both of those than are in ND and western MN.

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I don’t think it’s irony at all. UCONN is crap and has always been crap with a crap football team. Having a state school in a state with 3.5 million people doesn’t mean you will get that let alone half of it. UCONN has decent basketball and that’s about it as far as I’m concerned. NDSU has a national brand that is continually growing. As far as what else NDSU brings to the AAC is that when that football teams goes against a P5 school or two it has a very strong chance of coming away with a W for the conference and improving the SOS for everyone involved. Instead you get UCONN trying to fend off any local FCS school and squeaking by with the only 1 or 2 Ws on its entire schedule.

If a move up to a G5 conference ever happens, this is the conference I thought would be the most fun because of the level of football being played.

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Originally Posted by 23Bison

I don’t think it’s irony at all. UCONN is crap and has always been crap with a crap football team. Having a state school in a state with 3.5 million people doesn’t mean you will get that let alone half of it. UCONN has decent basketball and that’s about it as far as I’m concerned. NDSU has a national brand that is continually growing. As far as what else NDSU brings to the AAC is that when that football teams goes against a P5 school or two it has a very strong chance of coming away with a W for the conference and improving the SOS for everyone involved. Instead you get UCONN trying to fend off any local FCS school and squeaking by with the only 1 or 2 Ws on its entire schedule.

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That's where I have a differing as to what really matters to these G5 conferences. I don't think adding a good football team matters to them as much as adding major TV markets and adding/strengthening recruiting areas does. If the quality of the football team is what matters every conference up to the P5 should be lining up at NDSU's door.

I can agree with that also. I’m thinking of it as a “football Only” option. It’s similar to what the B1G did with Rutgers and Maryland with the only difference is that both of those teams were pretty decent and at one time. While in the B1G, not so much.

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

People still believe success matters when it comes to an FBS invite. It's 99.99% tv/streaming viewership you can bring.

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Completely disagree with lower level conferences. TV deals aren't that big and they are looking for schools that will have success and draw interst to the league more than anything. Conferneces like the MAC, MWC and even AAC don't have their own cable networks...If they wanted a football only school success would play a huge role.

With that said, FBS conferences typically don't want football only or non-football members, they want all-sports members which is what really hampers us because of geography and other issues.

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Originally Posted by Bisonator98

You don't need a study to figure these things out. Just compare NDSU's budget with those in the AAC then add even more for additional travel expenses because NDSU would be a huge outlier. The closest school is 800+ miles away! It's so ridiculous why even bring it up?

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Travel for a football only move wouldn't be that different. We fly everywhere already for football, it is really only a concern for an all-sports move where it is a deal killer. Getting a football only move would be very difficult but if it happened, travel would be the least of my concerns.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

Completely disagree with lower level conferences. TV deals aren't that big and they are looking for schools that will have success and draw interst to the league more than anything. Conferneces like the MAC, MWC and even AAC don't have their own cable networks...If they wanted a football only school success would play a huge role.

With that said, FBS conferences typically don't want football only or non-football members, they want all-sports members which is what really hampers us because of geography and other issues.

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TV deals aren't that big? You must be following a different college football than I am.

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Originally Posted by westnodak93bison

5 away games per year. How is it significantly more expensive than flying to Youngstown, Macomb, Normal, Terre Haute, Cedar Falls, Springfield, or Carbondale? Plus being in that conference will garner a bigger payout when playing a p5.

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BINGO. and CFP & TV package money to offset

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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos

TV deals aren't that big? You must be following a different college football than I am.

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Do you consider less than $1 million a big deal?

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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos

TV deals aren't that big? You must be following a different college football than I am.

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Not really, the MAC's tv deal is chump change. Even the AAC and MWC are fraction of what the power five gets.

That said, those leagues operate differently, they don't have cable networks. They need successful schools that will draw interest, which I think would actually help NDSU. Just look at the MWC, the king of that league is Boise, who is in a TV market that isn't all that different than we are in. Without Boise what would the MWC's tv rights be worth? Substantially less.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Do you consider less than $1 million a big deal?

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Ok, I think I misunderstood NDSUstudent's post. In the context of the MAC, Sun Belt, and CUSA it's an argument I can see. I don't think the AAC or MWC are at those levels though. The AAC just signed a TV deal that raised it's TV money per school from about $2M to about $7M. The MWC gets $1.1M per school (except for Boise St who gets $2.9M) but their contract is up this summer and they're going to want to also cash in on the live sports bidding wars as well. I just don't buy that those conferences (or the MAC for that matter) see NDSU as a investment worth making considering they're all going to take a hit with TV/CFP/etc money since they'll be dividing out one extra share.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

Not really, the MAC's tv deal is chump change. Even the AAC and MWC are fraction of what the power five gets.

That said, those leagues operate differently, they don't have cable networks. They need successful schools that will draw interest, which I think would actually help NDSU. Just look at the MWC, the king of that league is Boise, who is in a TV market that isn't all that different than we are in. Without Boise what would the MWC's tv rights be worth? Substantially less.

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The MWC without Boise St is an interesting hypothetical. I think they'd do fine in terms of TV/media rights money but they did bow down to Boise when the Big East was trying to get them in an attempt to save itself which is why Boise gets an extra $1.8M from the MWC media rights agreement that the rest of the schools don't get so I can see some truth to your assertion.

I’m pretty sure the AAC schools won’t get that $7mill till like the 6-7 year mark of the contract. Gradually goes up every year from what I’ve read.

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Originally Posted by 23Bison

I don’t think it’s irony at all. UCONN is crap and has always been crap with a crap football team. Having a state school in a state with 3.5 million people doesn’t mean you will get that let alone half of it. UCONN has decent basketball and that’s about it as far as I’m concerned. NDSU has a national brand that is continually growing. As far as what else NDSU brings to the AAC is that when that football teams goes against a P5 school or two it has a very strong chance of coming away with a W for the conference and improving the SOS for everyone involved. Instead you get UCONN trying to fend off any local FCS school and squeaking by with the only 1 or 2 Ws on its entire schedule.

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If NDSU is a national brand then so is UCONN. They've won 4 nattys in the last 20 years lmao.

"Decent basketball"....jeez.

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

If NDSU is a national brand then so is UCONN. They've won 4 nattys in the last 20 years lmao.

"Decent basketball"....jeez.

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Read my post where I was talking about “football only”. UCONN has no national brand in football.

And yes I would call them a decent basketball program. Nothing wrong with that.

Maybe we can get the other teams in FCS to join team makers? Give us financial incentive to move upward.

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Originally Posted by JMB

Maybe we can get the other teams in FCS to join team makers? Give us financial incentive to move upward.

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Stig has already tapped that market trying to get his million.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

BINGO. and CFP & TV package money to offset

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How much is that pot of gold going to be? How many AAC teams have competed in the CFP?


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Originally Posted by wagsabison

How much is that pot of gold going to be? How many AAC teams have competed in the CFP?


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every conference in FBS gets CFP money.

AAC is Football only.


cmon quit moving the goalpoats.

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Originally Posted by wagsabison

How much is that pot of gold going to be? How many AAC teams have competed in the CFP?


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I'm for no move until a real fcs style playoff.

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Originally Posted by westnodak93bison

I'm for no move until a real fcs style playoff.

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If you mean 24 teams, I don't think that'll happen any time soon, if ever. For one thing, there's just not enough calendar time given the timeframe for most P5 conference championships...assuming that the NC game happens somewhat near early January.

I could see a 12 team playoff. There was just a great ESPN article a couple of weeks ago about which coaches support vs oppose an expanded playoff. Somewhat interesting to read. Harbaugh has an 11-team playoff scheme that seems to have some traction.

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Originally Posted by OrygunBison

If you mean 24 teams, I don't think that'll happen any time soon, if ever. For one thing, there's just not enough calendar time given the timeframe for most P5 conference championships...assuming that the NC game happens somewhat near early January.

I could see a 12 team playoff. There was just a great ESPN article a couple of weeks ago about which coaches support vs oppose an expanded playoff. Somewhat interesting to read. Harbaugh has an 11-team playoff scheme that seems to have some traction.

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I would hope at some point the P5 has an 8-12 team playoff with autobids to conference winners. Just seems obvious and literally all other college sports do it.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

every conference in FBS gets CFP money.

AAC is Football only.


cmon quit moving the goalpoats.

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So how much is it? You claim we’ll get this money. How much would we get?


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Originally Posted by 23Bison

Read my post where I was talking about “football only”. UCONN has no national brand in football.

And yes I would call them a decent basketball program. Nothing wrong with that.

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Again...."decent" basketball?

St. John's and Seton Hall are decent basketball programs. UCONN is a big f'ing deal.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristid...for-2017-2018/

Looks like $81 million divided up amongst the G5 schools In 2018.


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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

Again...."decent" basketball?

St. John's and Seton Hall are decent basketball programs. UCONN is a big f'ing deal.

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You call them what ever the hell you want and I’ll call them what I want. DECENT basketball program it is!

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Originally Posted by 23Bison

You call them what ever the hell you want and I’ll call them what I want. DECENT basketball program it is!

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IF NDSU would ever get an AAC invite? All in, All Sports, All In.

Same with MWC . . . All In, All Sports.

Crazy not to go all in on either of those options.

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Originally Posted by Herd

IF NDSU would ever get an AAC invite? All in, All Sports, All In.

Same with MWC . . . All In, All Sports.

Crazy not to go all in on either of those options.

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I agree 100%. If the very unlikely invite to either the AAC or MWC ever happened I would have to think NDSU would be all over that with all sports.

American or bust.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

every conference in FBS gets CFP money.

AAC is Football only.


cmon quit moving the goalpoats.

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Answer the question. How much money. Hard numbers.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Answer the question. How much money. Hard numbers.

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Roughly $1.2 million.

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Originally Posted by 23Bison

Roughly $1.2 million.

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Doesn’t seem like that much money in the grand scheme of things. The power 5 schools get significantly more from what I read.


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Originally Posted by wagsabison

Doesn’t seem like that much money in the grand scheme of things. The power 5 schools get significantly more from what I read.


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Big 10 teams get F.U. money just from their TV deals. In 2018, I believe each team received over $50 million.

I think UCF received over $4mill with their bowl berth last year.

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Originally Posted by heffray

I would hope at some point the P5 has an 8-12 team playoff with autobids to conference winners. Just seems obvious and literally all other college sports do it.

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All you need is a few more years where the Big 10 gets left out of the playoff especially if it is at the expense of a couple of SEC teams. If the BIG 10 gets pissed and leaves, the whole thing starts to fall apart.