Re: A new and better FBS thread
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El_Chapo
G5 WILL NOT DUMSPTER DIVE TO BE IN FCS. that's a suicide move for them and their egos
The G5 needs to figure out what they want to become and the best thing for them is a true playoff. To swallow up the FCS, or at least look at what is the best option to do with the FCS and some situations that exist. The G5 come in, good bye SWAC, NEC, and MEAC. Ivy do you want to play in the playoffs or not, if not see ya. Then regionalize whats left. This brings a tremendous shift of power in the G5 to the west from the East, but will balance out the 2nd level of College FB, but you are talking 5 to 10 years from now. After no G5 team has made the playoffs with an undefeated record more than once.
Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
El_Chapo
G5 WILL NOT DUMSPTER DIVE TO BE IN FCS. that's a suicide move for them and their egos
They are not going to have a choice. You still have the P5 conferenes about 6 schools short. BYU and Notre Dame take up two of those and then they will do whatever they can to not include the academies. So now there will be a fight for 4 slots. Boise State, USF, UCF, Cincinnati, Fresno State, maybe Houston, and a couple of other schools I can't think of that are probably on some short lists to get all the power 5 conferences to 14 teams each. Or, maybe they go with 2 more teams and make up 4 16 team conferences with each having two 8 team divisions with 7 game division schedules and conference championships leading into a final four and a championship. That would be some serious money. Either way you have the G5 conferences sitting around 10-15 schools short of five 14 school conferences or four 16 school conferences. Where are they going to go for that? They aren't going to dump an entire conference. That doesn't make any sense. They will "dumpster dive" in FCS to take the top 10-15 programs to fill in the gaps and have the new second tier, which will be the new D1 with their own playoff system with the bonus system of getting one P5 team a year on the schedule. That will be the buy out clause to make everyone happy. The reality here is that the P5 is going to get their D4. It is going to happen. With all fun and games aside, NDSU is not going to be part of D4. They are going to be part of D1 with the rest of the G5 conferences. It isn't that they are dumpster diving, it will be survival. NDSU won't need to ask for an invite because they will be included by default along with at least 6 other schools with automatic invites to the new D1. Montana, Montana State, EWU, UNI, YSU, SIU, and NDSU would be shoe ins from just the north and north west. I can't think of any other schools right now outside the MVFC and Big Sky except Sam Houston State. That is your reality.
Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
td577
They are not going to have a choice. You still have the P5 conferenes about 6 schools short. BYU and Notre Dame take up two of those and then they will do whatever they can to not include the academies. So now there will be a fight for 4 slots. Boise State, USF, UCF, Cincinnati, Fresno State, maybe Houston, and a couple of other schools I can't think of that are probably on some short lists to get all the power 5 conferences to 14 teams each. Or, maybe they go with 2 more teams and make up 4 16 team conferences with each having two 8 team divisions with 7 game division schedules and conference championships leading into a final four and a championship. That would be some serious money. Either way you have the G5 conferences sitting around 10-15 schools short of five 14 school conferences or four 16 school conferences. Where are they going to go for that? They aren't going to dump an entire conference. That doesn't make any sense. They will "dumpster dive" in FCS to take the top 10-15 programs to fill in the gaps and have the new second tier, which will be the new D1 with their own playoff system with the bonus system of getting one P5 team a year on the schedule. That will be the buy out clause to make everyone happy. The reality here is that the P5 is going to get their D4. It is going to happen. With all fun and games aside, NDSU is not going to be part of D4. They are going to be part of D1 with the rest of the G5 conferences. It isn't that they are dumpster diving, it will be survival. NDSU won't need to ask for an invite because they will be included by default along with at least 6 other schools with automatic invites to the new D1. Montana, Montana State, EWU, UNI, YSU, SIU, and NDSU would be shoe ins from just the north and north west. I can't think of any other schools right now outside the MVFC and Big Sky except Sam Houston State. That is your reality.
Nicely thought out.
Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
td577
They are not going to have a choice. You still have the P5 conferenes about 6 schools short. BYU and Notre Dame take up two of those and then they will do whatever they can to not include the academies. So now there will be a fight for 4 slots. Boise State, USF, UCF, Cincinnati, Fresno State, maybe Houston, and a couple of other schools I can't think of that are probably on some short lists to get all the power 5 conferences to 14 teams each. Or, maybe they go with 2 more teams and make up 4 16 team conferences with each having two 8 team divisions with 7 game division schedules and conference championships leading into a final four and a championship. That would be some serious money. Either way you have the G5 conferences sitting around 10-15 schools short of five 14 school conferences or four 16 school conferences. Where are they going to go for that? They aren't going to dump an entire conference. That doesn't make any sense. They will "dumpster dive" in FCS to take the top 10-15 programs to fill in the gaps and have the new second tier, which will be the new D1 with their own playoff system with the bonus system of getting one P5 team a year on the schedule. That will be the buy out clause to make everyone happy. The reality here is that the P5 is going to get their D4. It is going to happen. With all fun and games aside, NDSU is not going to be part of D4. They are going to be part of D1 with the rest of the G5 conferences. It isn't that they are dumpster diving, it will be survival. NDSU won't need to ask for an invite because they will be included by default along with at least 6 other schools with automatic invites to the new D1. Montana, Montana State, EWU, UNI, YSU, SIU, and NDSU would be shoe ins from just the north and north west. I can't think of any other schools right now outside the MVFC and Big Sky except Sam Houston State. That is your reality.
Said it well in other words it will not be dumpster diving the G5 conferences will be either inviting the top FCS schools or asking them to move up and form a conference to round out the numbers.
Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
missingnumber7
The G5 needs to figure out what they want to become and the best thing for them is a true playoff. To swallow up the FCS, or at least look at what is the best option to do with the FCS and some situations that exist. The G5 come in, good bye SWAC, NEC, and MEAC. Ivy do you want to play in the playoffs or not, if not see ya. Then regionalize whats left. This brings a tremendous shift of power in the G5 to the west from the East, but will balance out the 2nd level of College FB, but you are talking 5 to 10 years from now. After no G5 team has made the playoffs with an undefeated record more than once.
I think you are correct. This isn't going to happen over night. Many years before this settles out.
Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
56BISON73
I think you are correct. This isn't going to happen over night. Many years before this settles out.
Yes it will take a while. This is the first year of the playoff and the committee hasn't even picked its first field of four teams.
Give it a few years and a chance for multiple teams and conferences to feel like they got the shaft.
That will drive a movement to increase the size of the field. Most likely to 8 teams.
That's where the real eye opener will be for the G5 programs. They will still get left out (regardless of record) and it will be clear that they are second class to the P5 conferences and are fighting a losing battle.
It's like the days in the schoolyard. Ignore some long enough and eventually they get the message and go away. Cruel but necessary.
Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Strongman
So why the utter hate and opposition to move up to a football only conference? The Sunbelt or MAC would be a stepping stone. It would be analogous to the Great West. NDSU builds its national brand, builds a new stadium, wins some conference titles and perhaps gets some playoff berths during the next 10 years. NDSU cannot join a Big Five conference now. However, with success at the next level, it would be achievable in 20 to 25 years. Rome was not built in a day.
Didn't Rome fall after they over reached their bounds? Hmmmm
Re: A new and better FBS thread
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td577
That plan sucks and here is why.
A. The sun belt does nothing for 95% of Bison alum or fans. Nor does the MAC or WAC or most of the mid major type conferences. Big 12 or bust. Maybe MWC. At the very least, see where everyone is after the music stops because I think a lot of those conferences will be looking at the MVFC and Big Sky to round out the new division 1.
B. If we were to move up, we don't need our admin running around begging conferences for an invite. We let ESPN do the dirty work. As they start seeing the picture develop, they will dictate who goes where because they have the most money in the pot that would most effect the levek NDSU will end up. The new D1.
C. We don't build a stadium until we know where we are at and how the TV money looks. That is just good economics. We may not need a new stadium. I think division 4 will happen. The G5 conferences are in freaking football purgatory right now. They will soon have nothing. No chance at the BCS playoffs and no playoffs of their own. FCS already has the D1 model that works for them. It would bode well for the G5 schools to team up with the top third or so of FCS and have its own division, with playoffs. NDSU may already have the perfect size stadium for the new D1. It's ok to control supply.
The bottom line is NDSU doesn't have to do anything right now except be NDSU. Keep winning, keep selling out the dome, keep traveling well, and keep being good Gameday hosts. The rest will fall in place and we will be right where we are supposed to be. For God's sake, we don't ever have to beg the Sunbelt to let us in. We are NDSU. They're not.
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1) MWC would be an ideal conference for NDSU. Did you watch their game on ESPN last night?
2) WE NEED A STADIUM WHETHER WE MOVE UP OR STAY PUT. We could be drawing 24,000 per game currently. Growth is retarded because we are stuck at 18,900 forever. 30,000 to 35,000 is what we need--with expansion to 45,000 to 50,000.
3) Ever played poker? NDSU needs to bet on the come--have a plan but anticipate what is going to happen. Money via TV revenue is going to drive the playoff expansion. Why would they expand? Because each game is millions and millions of dollars more. 8 teams= 7 games; 16 teams = 15 games; 20 teams = 19 games. You are underestimating GREED IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL. There will be a huge expansion in college playoffs. It will happen within the next 5 to 7 years. Hence, NDSU needs to move up after they QUAD so they can be in the best possible position.
Re: A new and better FBS thread
This is embarrassing. 2 weeks in a row. #11 & #21 and they both look like incarnate word vs NDSU. Too many old people in good seats just sitting there not cheering. Student section bored as hell with these teams. Time for FBS
Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
El_Chapo
This is embarrassing. 2 weeks in a row. #11 & #21 and they both look like incarnate word vs NDSU. Too many old people in good seats just sitting there not cheering. Student section bored as hell with these teams. Time for FBS
Yep were winning AGAIN. This sucks.
Ive tried to stay out of this thread...but the gall of some of you people. :facepalm: Spoiled brats.
