None of this matters to Lakes, it's not worth arguing anymore with rational thoughts and questionsQuote:
Originally Posted by kab1one
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None of this matters to Lakes, it's not worth arguing anymore with rational thoughts and questionsQuote:
Originally Posted by kab1one
Nicely done!Quote:
Originally Posted by kab1one
The Pond is a slough that has plateaued.... TLC said "stick to the rivers & streams that your used to" whats that done, they died!Quote:
Originally Posted by kab1one
Time is a wasting. lets do something BIG !! Bring on the Competition?"
I ANSWERED KAB'S QUESTIONS UP TOP
Bison to MWC - Links?
Am always interested in reading of interest the MWC has in NDSU.
lots of articles: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...64015242884016
this article put NDSU in the MAC
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...64014844714732
Where this gets really old lakes is you throw this out, but you have no mechanism nor in all likelihood does the university have a way to fund. Even if everyone like you aggressively increased team maker contributions 50%. so in your case going from $100 to $150/year. You don't even make a dent in what is needed to move anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Now realize to, the additional $20 million lets say to move up is hard to come by, the next issue you need to solve is facilities.
How do you compete with this?
https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_ro...9b0f1595c.html
Don't say this is an extreme example cause its the SEC. Wyoming did a large upgrade to football facilities, Northwestern dropped over $100 million.
So even if you double your contribution to $200/year. We are outclassed.
What say you?
It'd cost NDSU $8-10 million more per year to move up with all sports. even less with Football Only membership.
college football playoff money = $2-3 million per mwc/mac school
Big Dance money = $2-3 million per school
Tv contract money = $2-3 mllion per school
That jumps NDSU from $20 million budget up to $26-27 million range and right in the middle of the mwc/mac
Wow... a quick fact check shows that there may not be one single accurate item in your entire post.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
It'd cost NDSU $8-10 million more per year to move up with all sports.
According to the USA Today's database NDSU's budget in '16/'17 (the last year I could find data for) was roughly $27.3M. The average budget for MAC schools that year was $32.1 but for MWC schools it was $43.9M (so I guess you got that one half right).
college football playoff money = $2-3 million per mwc/mac school
For the 2017 bowl season (couldn't find 2018 numbers) there was roughly $81.3M from CFP money earmarked for the G5 that was allegedly distributed equally among the conferences (link). That means about $16.2M per conference which would be $1.35M per MAC school or $1.5M over per MWC school if they allocated every penny of it to the member schools.
Big Dance money = $2-3 million per school
As of the 2013 tournament the MWC NCAA Tourney TV money share was $6.6M (for the whole conference) and the MAC's share was $2.2M (link). I realize that's 6 years old now but those revenues haven't gone of the 6 to 15 times they'd need to in order to hit those amounts you referenced.
Tv contract money = $2-3 mllion per school
While the deal they're on expires in the summer of 2020 the current MWC TV deal with CBS Sports pays out $1.1M per school (link). MAC schools make $670K per school from their ESPN TV deal (link).
That jumps NDSU from $20 million budget up to $26-27 million range and right in the middle of the mwc/mac
So adding those 3 line items to NDSU's $27.3M budget (and I'll be generous and say NCAA tourney payouts are double now for those conferences compared to what they were in 2013) that would add $3.8M to NDSU's theoretical MWC budget. That would put them at $31.1M which is dead last (although close to San Jose St at $31.3M). Adding the $2.2M to NDSU's theoretical MAC budget would put them at $29.4M or between 8th and 9th out of the current 12 teams in the MAC.
Those numbers at https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/ really tell you all you need to know about how a typical MAC/MWC athletic department is funded. On average MAC schools are getting about $21.6M in "revenue" from student fees and school funds ($8.7M on average from student fees and $12.9M on average from school funds). For the MWC it's $20.1M on average in "revenue" from student fees and school funds ($4.6M in student fees and $15.5M in school funds).
For the 2017 year that those numbers from the other conferences came from NDSU had $7.9M in revenue from those two areas; a little over $1.4M in student fees and about $6.5M in school funds. Good luck squeezing more out of those oranges especially to the point that it would take to be at the MAC or MWC level.
Nice work but there is only one logical response to the constant "move up" "FBS" "we need beer hundreds of thousands of dollars being left on the table" daily drumbeat:Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
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you sound like a politician.. (i say $2-$3 million) you say $2.2 million and $1.5 million for each... that's barely a difference. oh the horror!!
$2.2M was the NCAA Tourney share for the entire MAC conference in 2013. Split it 12 ways and that's about $180K per school. That's a big difference. Adding the MAC per school share of the CFP money, NCAA tourney money, and TV money all together is barely over $2M per school. It's not just a coincidence that all those MAC schools are funding over half of their athletic department budget on the backs of student fees and school funds.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
NDSU can raise their dam student fee's.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
NDSU tried. They said no. NextQuote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
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Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Lakes, you are a wise tv and media savy mind. You should know its eyeballs, ears and clicks that drive tv and media revenue. considering NDSU gets a million (lets just say) a year in media payments, what conference would take you as they are dilutive to the existing revenue stream.
For example, MWC conference, your math $3 million per team. 10 teams (I know there are more, but this is for example purposes only). League gets $30 million. Add an 11th team. NDSU generates a million in media coverage. You have $31 million divided amongst 11 teams. $2.8 million on average. Good for NDSU, bad for everyone in the league.
So unless you can grow the media pot, no one will be interested. that is why Rutgers is in the Big Ten. The New York City exposure is greater than the payout to Rutgers with their share of the Big 10 deal.
So lets. Football play off money-0
Big Dance money-0
Media/ TV -0
What is your funding answer?
Beer in the Dome at football games will be my guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by kab1one
Get 5 companies to donate 5 million each. Its easy. He said so. So its gotta be true--right??????Quote:
Originally Posted by Vet70
kabl1one... you cant say $0 $0 $0. because once youre in a conference you'd be a part of those..Quote:
Originally Posted by kab1one
When do we get a newer and betterer FBS thread?
No such thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by EC8CH
Hold my beerQuote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
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No sam you don't understand. If NDSU brings less additional revenue to conference then their pro rata share, everyone gets diluted. So it costs, in the MWC case, Wyoming, Boise, Utah State, etc. money to have NDSU in the league. Instead of dividing the pie by 10, its divided by 11 cause NDSU doesn't bring enough additional revenue. So NDSU revenue from media is 0. Cause they aren't getting a piece of the piece.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Same for Big Dance. NDSU you going to another conference isn't going to increase their take. The pie is finite (defined), you are diluting with new members. NDSU going MWC isn't going to mean a second or third team to the dance. They will have 1. So no additional revenue.
And I am sure your last point didn't make sense either, so I am not going to go back.
You in many ways use the same math as Adrian Peterson. Somewhere he thought it would all work out.
As todays ticket debacle shows us.
All Sold out in Minutes....
Then the entire area (especially western nodakers) LITERALLY GIVE UP TRYING OR EVEN PLANNING TO GO.
its Obvious NDSU is losing revenue and fans buy not having a bigger stadium.
Going FBS will be the only way to push the NDSU admin into a newer stadium
A larger stadium would wind up being a disaster. It would have to be outdoors because there is not enough money to build a large indoor stadium. Second, a large outdoor stadium would wind up with late season games going largely unsold. Just like here in Wyoming. Most fans aren't going to freeze their ass off sitting outside.
Damn, I wonder what percentage of folks on here saying that we could never make it in FBS were the same ones saying a DI move would never work back in the late 90's? Of course once the ball got rolling and they saw that this might actually work these same naysayers jumped on board the bandwagon. Nobody really has a good answer in how to fund an FBS move yet but to say we must stay FCS because things are comfortable is asinine and screams of the D2 mindset all over again. NDSU belongs in that 2nd tier of college athletics, the one that is commonly called the G5. Most of our peers have left FCS and moved up with JMU being the likely next one. As things change and the P5 continue to distance themselves from everyone else, we need to start preparing now for that opportunity so that when it comes we are ready. Thankfully ADML has done that to some extent by prioritizing getting our facilities up to the G5 standard. Once everything is complete, it will be time to determine what and where the future home of NDSU football is.
Who are these peers? Georgia Southern and App St that we spent all of 10 years in the same subdivision with? Coastal Carolina? Liberty? Charlotte? Old Dominion? All those schools are 1000 miles away or more and share very little in common with NDSU. NDSU's peers are schools like SDSU and Montana St.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBison
our peers are pussies. time to.rise aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
El Chapo has a buddy! PUMP IT UP! :biggrin:
Forum needs to work on the headline... NDSU is Division I except football is in the FCS subdivision. Maybe Kolpack can set them straight.
https://www.inforum.com/opinion/lett...-to-Division-I
"I am told that the minimum seating capacity for a Div 1 team stadium is about 30,000 seats."
hey Rob, its actually 15,000, you're hurting my cause.
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Originally Posted by 1998braves64
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I am told that the minimum seating capacity for a Div 1 team stadium is about 30,000 seats. If so, NDSU would have to have the Fargodome expanded or build another stadium to increase the capacity from the current 20,000. That's a relatively small order given the stakes.
Some dumb people out there
Haha perfect!Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
Sent by my phone on a bullet train from Hillsboro.
A pretty good insight of the naive minds of those who don't understand why NDSU isn't FBS nor the scope of how to get there. I'm not even going to get into the consequences of being a G5 team as G5 teams (looking at you MW) don't want to admit them themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1998braves64
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Originally Posted by 1998braves64
He almost had me until this----
Once expanded, the NCAA will seek geographical diversity beyond the coasts and the SEC/Big Ten machines.
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So you didn't get to the scheduling of top 20 caliber teams every year? Someone needs to tell Matt Larsen this. Ndsu needs to play a top 20 caliber FBS team every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Didnt make it that far. Still laughing on the coastal diversity thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottietohottie
I just have to stop by here every couple of weeks for a good laugh. One thread some fans are delusional and talking about FBS. Another topic is worry about how much the enrollment drop will be. I think the enrollment drop tells everyone that there is a problem with higher ed leadership at NDSU (and North Dakota). That probably would have to be looked at first.
Here we go...
If you were in Minneapolis and saw that fanbase.....and realize 20,000 plus more were at the lakes/stayed in fargo or western north dakota.... then you'd understand that NDSU isnt fcs... no way no how. we are big time and deserve to be up there in the top 40 of FBS PERIOD . WOW
Boise State is gonna win the MWC easily. what is NDSU record if we had their schedule?
2019 Boise State Football Schedule
Aug. 31 Florida State Football Schedule
at Florida State Seminoles
Sep. 6 Marshall Football Schedule
Marshall Thundering Herd
Sep. 14 Portland State Football Schedule
Portland State Vikings
Sep. 20 Air Force Falcons Football Schedule
Air Force Falcons
Oct. 5 UNLV Football Schedule
at UNLV Rebels
Oct. 12 Hawaii Football Schedule
Hawaii Rainbow Warriors
Oct. 19 BYU Football Schedule
at BYU Cougars
OFF
Nov. 2 San Jose State Football Schedule
at San Jose State Spartans
Nov. 9 Wyoming Football Schedule
Wyoming Cowboys
Nov. 16 New Mexico Football Schedule
New Mexico Lobos
Nov. 23 Utah State Football Schedule
at Utah State Aggies
Nov. 29 Colorado State Football Schedule
at Colorado State Rams
Dec. 7 Mountain West Football Schedule
MWC Championship