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Maybe the legislature will buy us SNHU ( Southern New Hampshire University)Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
What programs are being cut?Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Specifically in Athletics? See HerdBot.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
In general? https://www.ndsu.edu/fileadmin/presi...inal__003_.pdf
Hospitality & Event Management M,mQuote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
Geology M,m
Geography M
Environmental Geology m
GIS and Remote Sensing, cert
German m
German Studies m
Ag Systems Management M
I think it's nearly tapped out for the current state of conference / division affiliations. IF they were somehow to get a football only AAC bid, I think there is a lot more room.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
So, this move by Cook is a big deal and folks should be paying attention to this.
The combination of soft state aid, and young students wising up to getting degrees in worthless majors while being saddle by debt, has caught up with all of higher education. Sadly, and speaking as someone who used to be on the inside, and still with very close connections to a college at NDSU, higher education is terrible at "right sizing" when it is needed. Classically, they just freeze everyone's salary, don't replace folks that leave, and slowly cause damage by not taking a logical approach to the situation.
NDSU had many majors that were every low enrollment, and not generating the tuition/state support to support them, yet past presidents have failed to anything about this. This slowly was catching up to the very successful programs in ag, engineering, pharmacy etc. Everyone was getting across the board cuts, rather than making the hard choices needed.
My biggest fear was Cook would wimp out, and only cut administration, like what is being seen with the consolidations of 7 colleges down to 5. However, he did the right thing. They are going after low profitability majors and will be eliminating positions. Yes, I hate that folks may lose jobs, but the house was burning down, but you can't put out the fire without doing some damage to the house.
This should have everyone's full support. This allows NDSU to right-size, then expand back into new areas that are good ideas/meet societal needs in the future.
Watch what happens with the College of Health Professions. Much of this will likely fly under the radar, but there is potential for significant controversy. I don't want to give away any inside baseball secrets, but I'm a bit concerned the implications of the suggestions has not been fully thought through yet, thus I placed extensive comments to the proposal to assure I've done my part.
As stated, all in all this is good, however, correct execution and not backing down are now key.
Pharmacy is down nearly 50%, so you might want to take them off your "very successful" list...Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
That is a national wide trend and has to do with with the combination of lower higher ed enrollment in general, over expansions of class sizes and new colleges in the 2000s, and the working conditions at places like CVS, Walgreens, Walmart. (Check out the pharmacy class sizes currently at SDSU, MN, and Iowa right now....) Class sizes have corrected and some colleges (who should have never gotten into it) have closed. (MN currently has a big enrollment problem at the Duluth campus.) With that said, that is a flagship program at NDSU, and its a needed health career that is not going away. The market will correct, and hopefully more automation in the ambulatory side will help with pressures. On the hospital side, we can't find enough qualified clinically adept help. There are not many other majors NDSU offers that are as recession proof, and offer starting salaries higher than pharmacy. Yep, go ahead an cut it..... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
I understand all that, and no one's talking about eliminating the majors. They are, however, down nearly 400 students since 2018, which translates to well over $4 million in tuition revenue (even more with the PP differential tuition). And that was reflected in the budget cut that the college of HP took this fall. The new budget model will be completely based on student credit hours generated, so it will be imperative for them to get those numbers back up if they want to sustain their faculty numbers at the level they're currently at.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
Thats suprising although we could have made some progress by allowing pharmacies to be expanded. Apparently ND doesnt allow pharmacies is big box retailers. Its suprising because people need prescription drugs. All we do is export talent since we artificially keep the number of pharmacies lowQuote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
We do allow them, but the pharmacy part has to be owned by a pharmacist, not by the big box retailer (at least I think that's right). The dean of HP has been fairly prominent in the past at advocating to keep things that way, so I'm not sure that's a big part of the problem. As TSF said, pharmacy enrollment is down nationally. I would guess that the move away from smaller, local pharmacies where you have a relationship with your clientele and toward the prescription filling machines that CVS and Walmart are might have something to do with it, despite the high level of pay for those positions...but that's not my area, so I'm just speculating....Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
I doubt this is accurate. By preventing the big box firms, you probably have more pharmacies that are lower volume operations. That is a much better situation for the patient. Walgreens, CVS, and the like have done serious damage to the profession. I could write 5 pages on this, but I'll leave it at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
So NDSU departments with high service-course loads that are also very research/grant active (chemistry, biology, physics, ...) would seem to be well positionedQuote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
Is that accurate?
I agree completely. I use a small, local pharmacy and avoid the big box stores. Better service, plus I think neighborhood pharmacies and neighborhood hardware stores just generally improve the quality of life....Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
Departments that serve large numbers of students, either as majors or through gen ed courses, are going to be very well positioned, with or without the big research grants. The research grants will sweeten the pot for those departments, and they can also save low SCH departments if the grants are big enough. Does that make sense?Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
It is quite funny how you throw such an uneducated opinion out there. Makes me wonder how uneducated your other opinions are...Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Northport Shopping center ftw…Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
Dayum, Tab bringin the FIRE today…!Quote:
Originally Posted by TransAmBison
Absolutely!Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
I’ve been getting solicitation from Amazon for at least a couple of months now for their PillPack or whatever they call it. How do you expect them to effect the profession?Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
The move to mail order pharmacies that started way back in the 80s has been a huge problem, and it has only gotten worse with time. More and more forces keep pushing toward that model....bigger, cheaper, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenfieldBison
However, do we know the hidden cost? To give an example, I know of a recent situation where a blood thinner was prescribed for a child that was a massive overdose. A very good pharmacists, and a well run pharmacy contacted me for help and we worked it out and got the care corrected. That could have been a disaster. That is why the pharmacist exists.
Oh yeah I know why we have pharmacists and although I am an AMZN shareowner and customer I do not use their pharmacy service. I’m just curious I guess whether you think they eat CVS and Walgreen or do they further cut into the independent business or some of both? Or do they just fail?Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
During the pandemic, especially pre-vaccine, I was very happy to have the option of my meds being mailed to me. Not bothering now since they started charging for it.
For THEsocalledfan (and GCWaters):
I was told the Pharmacy program (faculty) had moved from practice-based to a clinical-research-based model. But now Dr. Cook's proposal include a "Pharmacy Technician" program. The faculty would seem misaligned for that as technicians are practice, not research. And NDSCS already has a pharmacy technician program. Your thoughts and observations on this?
Build Sugihara for Chem/Biochem/Geology/Geography.
Cut Geology/Geography degrees.
Ouch.
Here's hoping Engineering can get some better classroom space out of that if AG Hill isn't enough because Sugihara is maybe two years old.
I know there has been discussion about increase collaboration with Wahpeton. Pharmacy tech is exactly that, a tech field, not independent practice thus does not lend itself well to a University, but perfect for tech schools. I do not know what this would be, but I'd not support going into tech training full throttle as it does not fit with the University mission.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
As for you first question, there is not any fundamental changes that have occurred, other than some extremely poor treatment of practice faculty due to budget cuts. I don't want to get into that on this forum. Any good practice based faculty member, should be doing some practice based research. That goes hand in hand and always has.
How does pharm tech fit with the other allied health majors? And, interestingly enough, as hard hit as pharmacy practice was, pharmaceutical science got hit even harder, in terms of numbers. Thoughts on why that is?Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
< cough tenure track cough > ... I think I know one of them ...Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
Yes, it does make senseQuote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
Thanks
I think folks would be pretty ashamed of NDSU if they heard the entire story. All I could think was, I hope folks don't wonder why there are faculty unions......Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
It is NOT just because they are non-tunure track, btw.
To say it would give me great pause about ever taking a faculty role there is an understatement.....
ND mandates pharmacies to be owned by the pharmacist. I assume they make more owning it than they would if they worked at a Walmart or CVS.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
I get all my barn employees from whapeton eh.
EVERYTHING he throw's out is that way!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TransAmBison
They have a program in meth cooking there?Quote:
Originally Posted by scottietohottie
Tell me you've never been to Wahp/Breck without telling me you've never been to Wahp/Breck.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenfieldBison
Tell me you don't Bisonville without telling me you don't Bisonville.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
BuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurnQuote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
Yeah I don't know what that means bro eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
The regional drug trade there is likely second only to St Cloud/Sartell.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenfieldBison
That's why scottie stays "up north" and isolated. He's not afraid of the RCMP. :p