Matt Entz seems VERY supportive of FBS jump

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

The report was they have reached out regarding a move.

Seeing elsewhere that the SEC has enough teams that don't want them. (A&M is already on the record there)

I don't think the Big 12 would replace with Mountain West, I bet they'd grab an American team.

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If they are officially reaching out, it means they already have the votes.

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Originally Posted by gumby013

If they are officially reaching out, it means they already have the votes.

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Absolutely. If it's public it's done.

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

The report was they have reached out regarding a move.

Seeing elsewhere that the SEC has enough teams that don't want them. (A&M is already on the record there)

I don't think the Big 12 would replace with Mountain West, I bet they'd grab an American team.

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I live and work around Ames....most common schools brought up for replacements include BYU/Houston/Cincy/Louisville/Memphis if the Big 12 stays together...mostly to remain relevant as a basketball conference, because there would be no replacing OU and Texas when it comes to football. Some are hoping to end up in Big 10 if conference dissolves, and maybe even if it doesn't.

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Originally Posted by DM05

I live and work around Ames....most common schools brought up for replacements include BYU/Houston/Cincy/Louisville/Memphis if the Big 12 stays together...mostly to remain relevant as a basketball conference, because there would be no replacing OU and Texas when it comes to football. Some are hoping to end up in Big 10 if conference dissolves, and maybe even if it doesn't.

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Competitively Texas is replaceable. Monetarily only BYU and Notre Dame come close

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Originally Posted by DM05

I live and work around Ames....most common schools brought up for replacements include BYU/Houston/Cincy/Louisville/Memphis if the Big 12 stays together...mostly to remain relevant as a basketball conference, because there would be no replacing OU and Texas when it comes to football. Some are hoping to end up in Big 10 if conference dissolves, and maybe even if it doesn't.

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I remember a few years ago that the Big 12 considered expansion, and they could not come to an agreement about any of the schools mentioned above, which is why they are still at their current membership.

Louisville is out as the ACC has them locked in via the Grant of Rights.

Lets say that Oklahoma and Texas do leave (I think they will at some point). West Virginia is important as they are the geographic outlier university. If they leave, the Big 12 needs to refocus on the Central and Mountain time zones - I could see a re-look at Memphis, BYU, Houston, and maybe Colorado State. If West Virginia stays, I believe they have to have Cincinnati for the specific reason of a travel partner, as well as their results on the field and basketball court recently, and for recruiting Ohio (yes, Ohio has lots of talent, even talent that is passed over by Ohio State).

The interesting factor would be Nebraska. If they wanted back in the Big 12, this would be their chance, and that would make the Big 10 look at 1 team and then total chaos would occur.

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Originally Posted by Twincitybizon

(This is the first fbs related thread I found while scrolling)

Texas and OU departing the big twelve is pretty big news. Does this create an opening/opportunity for ndsu? Not the direct jump but replacing a mountain west team who moves over???

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If I were the Big 12, Boise and BYU would be one of the first teams I would contact. Trying to replace Texas and Oklahoma is pretty crushing to the league

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

If I were the Big 12, Boise and BYU would be one of the first teams I would contact. Trying to replace Texas and Oklahoma is pretty crushing to the league

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I think they need to add more than just 2 teams. They need to replace a lot of eyeballs. Cincinnati and Houston maybe...

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Originally Posted by Hammerhead

This isn't my Idea, but the NCAA should move to the soccer model were teams move up and down leagues based on how well they do such as kicking out the bottom teams in the premier league and replacing them with the top teams from the 2nd teir.

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If the premier league we’re making the rules there would be no promotion and relegation.

Would someone much more knowledgeable than me on this topic* be able to offer an "Econ of switching P5 conf for dummies" in exec summary form please? I don't understand it but would like to.

Thanks in advance.


* go ahead and answer - this is a very low bar.

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Originally Posted by gumby013

I think they need to add more than just 2 teams. They need to replace a lot of eyeballs. Cincinnati and Houston maybe...

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I agree that it is about eyeballs, but the trick is how to get them. That is the million dollar question.


If Texas and the Longhorn Network leave, I am not sure that the other Big 12 teams would want to have to deal with individual college networks (even though that is the wave of the future)

BYU would have by far the most potential viewers, but what would happen to their BYU TV)?

Memphis is in a growing area and state, and Fred Smith, the CEO of Fed Ex, has promised to provide money to whatever conference adds them https://tv5.espn.com/college-footbal...ion-candidates

Colorado State has a beautiful new(ish) stadium, but there are doubts that they would actually get viewers from the Denver market.

Tulsa would not do much as the Big 12 is already in Oklahoma.

Cincinnati is often an afterthought in Ohio even with their success starting with Mark Dantonio in the 2000's and continuing with Brian Kelly, Butch Jones, and now Luke Fickell.

Houston is one of the largest markets in the entire country, but they are not on the top of the teams that are cared about in the area - would people actually want to watch them? they are in the fertile Texas recruiting area, however.


I could see them adding in this order: BYU, Cincy, Memphis, Houston, Colorado State, some other outlier (Central/South Florida, SMU, UNLV)

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Originally Posted by Hammerhead

This isn't my Idea, but the NCAA should move to the soccer model were teams move up and down leagues based on how well they do such as kicking out the bottom teams in the premier league and replacing them with the top teams from the 2nd teir.

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Relegation in college football is dumb dumb dumb.

Big XII has a do or die decision.....be proactive and poach teams before the other conferences do, or die. Their track record isn't good, they've been tentative in the past, so the fear is the latter. Ironically, NDSU and K-State are in the same position. Land grant universities with a lame duck president. Not ideal.

A few years ago when TX and OU threatened to move to the PAC XII, the word was that the Oklahoma legislature wouldn't let OU go anywhere without OSU tagging along. That isn't the case. They have 2 separate Boards of Regents and the state legislature has no say. t's always been said KU and KSU have to move together according to the legislature, but I doubt that has any teeth when push comes to shove.

When these reports about OU and TX come out now, it's going to happen. Especially, since it's reported that OU and TX hired law firms to handle the foreplay part with the SEC. K-State folks here are seriously worried. KU is in the same boat except they're in a boat that's been taking on water for years.....new FB coach, AD just got fired, weird crap with paying a player to leave the program, the list goes on.

Best case, the Big XII pushes hard for Nebraska first. I that miraculously happens, then maybe Cincy, Houston, Memphis, Colorado State, BYU??, Utah???, etc. IMO, too many miracles need to happen. Nobody thinks WVU is part of the Big XII's long-term plan, so they would need to be replaced now, as well.

Not sure how many schools want to jump on that sinking boat. I don't even know if I want NDSU on that boat even though wrestling is technically. Could it have future ramifications for wrestling??

Going to take a lot a maneuvering to not end up with big 12 imploding. Huskers saw the writing on the wall and jumped ship long ago.

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Originally Posted by KSBisonFan

Big XII has a do or die decision.....be proactive and poach teams before the other conferences do, or die. Their track record isn't good, they've been tentative in the past, so the fear is the latter. Ironically, NDSU and K-State are in the same position. Land grant universities with a lame duck president. Not ideal.

A few years ago when TX and OU threatened to move to the PAC XII, the word was that the Oklahoma legislature wouldn't let OU go anywhere without OSU tagging along. That isn't the case. They have 2 separate Boards of Regents and the state legislature has no say. t's always been said KU and KSU have to move together according to the legislature, but I doubt that has any teeth when push comes to shove.

When these reports about OU and TX come out now, it's going to happen. Especially, since it's reported that OU and TX hired law firms to handle the foreplay part with the SEC. K-State folks here are seriously worried. KU is in the same boat except they're in a boat that's been taking on water for years.....new FB coach, AD just got fired, weird crap with paying a player to leave the program, the list goes on.

Best case, the Big XII pushes hard for Nebraska first. I that miraculously happens, then maybe Cincy, Houston, Memphis, Colorado State, BYU??, Utah???, etc. IMO, too many miracles need to happen. Nobody thinks WVU is part of the Big XII's long-term plan, so they would need to be replaced now, as well.

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Nebraska just belongs B12. I mean, c’mon.


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https://pistolsfiringblog.com/big-12...as-sec-rumors/

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Originally Posted by KSBisonFan

Big XII has a do or die decision.....be proactive and poach teams before the other conferences do, or die. Their track record isn't good, they've been tentative in the past, so the fear is the latter. Ironically, NDSU and K-State are in the same position. Land grant universities with a lame duck president. Not ideal.

A few years ago when TX and OU threatened to move to the PAC XII, the word was that the Oklahoma legislature wouldn't let OU go anywhere without OSU tagging along. That isn't the case. They have 2 separate Boards of Regents and the state legislature has no say. t's always been said KU and KSU have to move together according to the legislature, but I doubt that has any teeth when push comes to shove.

When these reports about OU and TX come out now, it's going to happen. Especially, since it's reported that OU and TX hired law firms to handle the foreplay part with the SEC. K-State folks here are seriously worried. KU is in the same boat except they're in a boat that's been taking on water for years.....new FB coach, AD just got fired, weird crap with paying a player to leave the program, the list goes on.

Best case, the Big XII pushes hard for Nebraska first. I that miraculously happens, then maybe Cincy, Houston, Memphis, Colorado State, BYU??, Utah???, etc. IMO, too many miracles need to happen. Nobody thinks WVU is part of the Big XII's long-term plan, so they would need to be replaced now, as well.

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There is nowhere for the Big 12 to lose other schools to, who would want them? Taking BYU and UCF Houston and Cincinatti from the AAC leaves it as a high major basketball conference and about as good as the Pac-12 in football. That leaves the AAC with 8 football schools.

Adding Houston solidifies their Texas foothold, Cinci is a huge school near WVU, BYU has big money and reach, UCF is in Florida

The Big 12 could replace Texas and Oklahoma with NDSU and SDSU. :)

I thought the problem with byu and major conferences is the Sunday issue. Byu being a scheduling nightmare for non-football sports isn't worth it and isn't fair for big revenue sports like basketball as everyone else is doing it but they won't.

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Too me this is very dumb on both schools part. Neither would probably make the four team playoff now and honestly would struggle if it was an 8 team playoff if they were in the SEC. I suppose with the proposed 12 team playoff they would have a chance to make it in the SEC. If they stayed in the BIG 12 Oklahoma would be in every year. I mean they should be pushing the BIG 12 to add 2 more teams. They would still be the biggest fish in the pond then and still dominate. Push to make the BIG 12 a 16 team conference as we are headed to 4 16 team conferences anyway, but remain the biggest fish in the pond. I mean Oklahoma is part of like 5 teams that have been in the 4 team Playoff the most by far.

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Too me this is very dumb on both schools part. Neither would probably make the four team playoff now and honestly would struggle if it was an 8 team playoff if they were in the SEC. I suppose with the proposed 12 team playoff they would have a chance to make it in the SEC. If they stayed in the BIG 12 Oklahoma would be in every year. I mean they should be pushing the BIG 12 to add 2 more teams. They would still be the biggest fish in the pond then and still dominate. Push to make the BIG 12 a 16 team conference as we are headed to 4 16 team conferences anyway, but remain the biggest fish in the pond. I mean Oklahoma is part of like 5 teams that have been in the 4 team Playoff the most by far.

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I feel it's less about what the playoffs are today and more about leaving the ncaa to go fuck themselves in 5-10 years. P4 going bye-bye

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Originally Posted by Twincitybizon

I feel it's less about what the playoffs are today and more about leaving the ncaa to go fuck themselves in 5-10 years. P4 going bye-bye

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Yes, this is what will eventually happen. It is all about controlling money without NCAA regulations and restrictions.

I found it very interesting that the SEC didnt reach out to UT or OU...

HOW CAN THIS BE?????? I was promised by so many on Bisonville, who tell me that they are much smarter and better human beings than me, that there is no benefit to being proactive in soliciting invites from other conferences!!! They promised me that the only way to solicit an invite is to literally do NOTHING! Just sit, silently, and wish upon a star, pinnochio style, that "someday my prince will come!"

I know thats how I got my wife to date me, and then marry me. I literally didnt speak to her, look at her, show her any signs that I was interested. I was just ignoring her completely and then BAM! Married with 3 kids and a white picket fence. worked like a charm

we all know NDSU couldve been reaching out for years. but they didnt

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Originally Posted by MankatoBison

I found it very interesting that the SEC didnt reach out to UT or OU...

HOW CAN THIS BE?????? I was promised by so many on Bisonville, who tell me that they are much smarter and better human beings than me, that there is no benefit to being proactive in soliciting invites from other conferences!!! They promised me that the only way to solicit an invite is to literally do NOTHING! Just sit, silently, and wish upon a star, pinnochio style, that "someday my prince will come!"

I know thats how I got my wife to date me, and then marry me. I literally didnt speak to her, look at her, show her any signs that I was interested. I was just ignoring her completely and then BAM! Married with 3 kids and a white picket fence. worked like a charm

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Hmm, I have the same playbook. Also the same result. I repeat, do not actually initiate contact with those that you are interested in. Just sit there and do nothing. This is the way!!!

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

we all know NDSU couldve been reaching out for years. but they didnt

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Exactly how do you know this? What actual meetings have you personally attended? What correspondence have you been a part of or intercepted from others? All of the Oklahoma/Texas to the SEC ramped up incredibly fast in the media. Shit like that would take months to mature but they didn't leak it to the press until things were imminent. The same would happen for us. We (the fans, not insiders) wouldn't know until the last nails are being hammered in.

Sam, you don't know shit on the topic any more than others here.

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Originally Posted by OrygunBison

Exactly how do you know this? What actual meetings have you personally attended? What correspondence have you been a part of or intercepted from others? All of the Oklahoma/Texas to the SEC ramped up incredibly fast in the media. Shit like that would take months to mature but they didn't leak it to the press until things were imminent. The same would happen for us. We (the fans, not insiders) wouldn't know until the last nails are being hammered in.

Sam, you don't know shit on the topic any more than others here.

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Yup.

From 7/23 (the day after this story "broke" I believe): https://twitter.com/kbohls/status/1418553992691466245

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Prominent Big 12 source tells the American-Statesman the Texas-OU move to the SEC is almost done. "They've been working on this for a minimum of 6 months, and the A&M leadership was left out of discussions and wasn't told about it." Move could become official in a week.

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Yup.

From 7/23 (the day after this story "broke" I believe): https://twitter.com/kbohls/status/1418553992691466245

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Are you telling me NONE of them texted the biggest super fan on each of their fan message boards???? I don't believe you!!

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

Are you telling me NONE of them texted the biggest super fan on each of their fan message boards???? I don't believe you!!

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WAIT!!! I thought THE ICON was THE biggest super fan???

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Originally Posted by OrygunBison

Exactly how do you know this? What actual meetings have you personally attended? What correspondence have you been a part of or intercepted from others? All of the Oklahoma/Texas to the SEC ramped up incredibly fast in the media. Shit like that would take months to mature but they didn't leak it to the press until things were imminent. The same would happen for us. We (the fans, not insiders) wouldn't know until the last nails are being hammered in.

Sam, you don't know shit on the topic any more than others here.

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Exactly! The AD/President community is a small fraternity. They will know each other and talk frequently. I guarantee many formal and informal conversations have occurred. Whether or not there is interest from either side none of us know but I guarantee nobody is sitting back waiting for the other side to act.

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Originally Posted by OrygunBison

Exactly how do you know this? What actual meetings have you personally attended? What correspondence have you been a part of or intercepted from others? All of the Oklahoma/Texas to the SEC ramped up incredibly fast in the media. Shit like that would take months to mature but they didn't leak it to the press until things were imminent. The same would happen for us. We (the fans, not insiders) wouldn't know until the last nails are being hammered in.

Sam, you don't know shit on the topic any more than others here.

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for the last 7 years I had a chair & big donor who was directly involved telling me the info.
now with this change in scenery lets hope everything changed.
NDSU should jump on this & have an ACTIVE PUSH

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

for the last 7 years I had a chair & big donor who was directly involved telling me the info.
now with this change in scenery lets hope everything changed.
NDSU should jump on this & have an ACTIVE PUSH

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I call bullshit.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

for the last 7 years I had a chair & big donor who was directly involved telling me the info.
now with this change in scenery lets hope everything changed.
NDSU should jump on this & have an ACTIVE PUSH

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Lol..big donors don't know everything

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

for the last 7 years I had a chair & big donor who was directly involved telling me the info.
now with this change in scenery lets hope everything changed.
NDSU should jump on this & have an ACTIVE PUSH

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https://i.imgur.com/SmiUmIv.jpg

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Originally Posted by tjbison

Lol..big donors don't know everything

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If a big donor actually did have inside information (and I'm sure that there are a few that have info), they absolutely know better than to be spouting it to anyone else.

They had a Colorado writer on The Brakedown and he said if Boise or SDSU left, Colorado State would be looking to leave. Not much left

He also thought NDSU had a better name for TV ratings than New Mexico State or UNLV

If that happens, The MAC is suddenly a better conference unless they can land Montana, Montana State, NDSU and SDSU

Heck if the WAC goes FBS, they could he a better option than the Mountain West

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

They had a Colorado writer on The Brakedown and he said if Boise or SDSU left, Colorado State would be looking to leave. Not much left.



He also thought NDSU had a better name for TV ratings than New Mexico State or UNLV

If that happens, The MAC is suddenly a better conference unless they can land Montana, Montana State, NDSU and SDSU

Heck if the WAC goes FBS, they could he a better option than the Mountain West

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I wouldn't say that. Id love to be in a conference with WYO, Utah State, Montana, Nevada, UNLV, Fresno, and Hawaii. At least Road could go out in style with trips to CA, Vegas, and the Islands instead of trips to Macomb, St Cloud, Youngstow, etc. Hasn't he suffered enough, give him a slice of the good life.

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Originally Posted by AKBison

I wouldn't say that. Id love to be in a conference with WYO, Utah State, Montana, Nevada, UNLV, Fresno, and Hawaii. At least Road could go out in style with trips to CA, Vegas, and the Islands instead of trips to Macomb, St Cloud, Youngstow, etc. Hasn't he suffered enough, give him a slice of the good life.

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Yeah a road trip to Vegas could be pretty awesome and the game would be easy

Brookings < San Diego
Grand Forks < Hell
Carbondale < Any place west of the Mississippi
Shall I go on?

Fargo being the 2021 #114 Media Market is no slouch when compared to other FBS schools, two notable #113- Eugene OR and #115- Lansing MI

one could argue they would draw eyeballs in MN and all of ND probably closer to a top 100 Market in Reality of reach.

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

They had a Colorado writer on The Brakedown and he said if Boise or SDSU left, Colorado State would be looking to leave. Not much left

He also thought NDSU had a better name for TV ratings than New Mexico State or UNLV

If that happens, The MAC is suddenly a better conference unless they can land Montana, Montana State, NDSU and SDSU

Heck if the WAC goes FBS, they could he a better option than the Mountain West

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It has been widely assumed that Colorado State has been looking to jump to a Power 5 for a while (I know, not a surprise statement). But they have actually done things to help themselves out. They built a new on campus football stadium recently, had a good basketball program going with Tim Miles, scheduled home and home series with Power 5 teams (Arkansas, Vandy, Arizona, Washington State), and have tried to sell themselves as being successful in getting viewers from Denver (which is often debated about the actual success of this claim).

I do think that the Mountain West would no matter what be better than the MAC even if Boise State, San Diego State, Colorado State, or any combo of these left. Besides having better cities to travel to, I believe that most college football fans hold schools in the Mountain West in higher regards than the MAC - I know that I do.

Growing un in Michigan, I can tell you that the directional Michigan schools (Western, Central, Eastern) are not followed by many, and the only time that there was a small movement was when Brian Kelly had Central Michigan winning in the 2000's and when PJ Fleck had Western Michigan play well a few years ago. The rest of the MAC, with the exception of Northern Illinois, was usually just laughed at. The Ohio Schools held no significance at all. In the Mountain West, these schools are often the school for their state (see Wyoming, Boise State, New Mexico, Hawaii) or have a large(r) influence regionally (Air Force).