A new and better FBS thread

My take on this whole topic is this. If we have a sound plan and all our ducks in a row in regards to conference affiliation, funding, stadium, title IX, etc, then sure I'm all for moving to FBS. But moving just for the sake of being FBS without any sound plan is dumb. This isn't like playing NCAA Football dynasty mode on XBox or Playstation where you control some crappy MAC or SunBelt team and after having one awesome year you get invited to he Big12, SEC, etc.

Until then let's just enjoy our awesome teams and support them while they continue to kick everybody's ass.


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Originally Posted by NorthernBison

Not true. The State would be responsible for maintenance.

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We own it, we maintain it. How many millions are we behind on campus buildings?

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

I would love to see skarpoll lee Carlson kelsch faces when NDSU starts a $100 million PRIVATE FOOTBALL STADIUM DRIVE. Nothing they could do to stop and if they did NDSU fans should have a bison walk at the Capitol

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This is pretty naive. Remember each session when we go to Bismarck to beg for money? I do.

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Originally Posted by StL Bison Fan

We own it, we maintain it. How many millions are we behind on campus buildings?



This is pretty naive. Remember each session when we go to Bismarck to beg for money? I do.

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There is no reality there, we beg for money every session, it wouldn't fly.

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Originally Posted by NorthernBison

Not true. The State would be responsible for maintenance.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

I would love to see skarpoll lee Carlson kelsch faces when NDSU starts a $100 million PRIVATE FOOTBALL STADIUM DRIVE. Nothing they could do to stop and if they did NDSU fans should have a bison walk at the Capitol

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Originally Posted by loudsilverado

There is no reality there, we beg for money every session, it wouldn't fly.

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Precisely. See the thread discussing funding.

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Originally Posted by BisonNation11

I guess my reasoning would be that if we jump now, we're stuck with whatever conference we're tied to. If we wait, who knows what doors will open up. Now granted I understand all of the conference re-alignment that's going on, but with a wait and see approach, I feel NDSU controls its destiny a little more.

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I agree with this. There will be a home for the Bison after the shake up. I think Boise State moves up with a couple other G5 schools into the P5 to fill out the Big 12 and such, and then there will be a reset in the G5 conferences to make them competitive and relevant. They will develop their own playoff system and it will look very much like today's FCS.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

That's the sprit! You fly out to the conference offices, you wine them and dine them and show them a 10 minute presentation of what we've accomplished the fanbase that travels and new basketball arena and dome lit up. Sell them Fargo and the #1 economy in the USA. NORTH DAKOTA. Sales people!!

SDBISON you are also correct, the average joe in Jamestown would love to go see the bison play, but they can't buy a ticket and they won't pay $75-100/ticket. We are missing out on growing the product.
FSN would help.

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Step 1: wine 'em
Step 2: dine 'em
Step 3: sixty-nine 'em
Step 4: profit

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Originally Posted by BisonNation11

We keep calling until they accept us because we're the mighty Bison, who the F*#@ are you! :biggrin:

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If el chumpo was on the phone that would be his arrogant answer.
This is all mute until there is a conference invite. And I don't see that happening anytime soon.

I still don't see the P5 splitting away from the NCAA. They already have autonomy and will make their own rules. And it's just a matter whether or not the rest can follow. They still need to schedule G5 games to fill out their schedule. So I don't understand the let's see what the P5 does before we doing anything logic. I definitely don't buy the theory that the upper FCS and G5 would combine to have their playoff system. To me that's a pipedream also.

I'm against, and I side with many arguments in this thread. I know people here disagree, but I'm with NDSUstudent on the MWC. They are a huge jump up in football and basketball as a WHOLE. Much better programs and much more supported than our MVFC and Summit mates.

I would love for NDSU to be FBS... But logically, without a conference invite or $$$, we are stuck where we are. And I'm OK with that. For now at least...

This conversation is old.
Here is a fresh idea. We get the teams and fans of the teams we beat down, to build the stadium so we will leave :bow:

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Originally Posted by StL Bison Fan

This conversation is old.
Here is a fresh idea. We get the teams and fans of the teams we beat down, to build the stadium so we will leave :bow:

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Originally Posted by StL Bison Fan

This conversation is old.
Here is a fresh idea. We get the teams and fans of the teams we beat down, to build the stadium so we will leave :bow:

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Great idea. Just think--a brand new stadium but no teams to play against.:biggrin:

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Great idea. Just think--a brand new stadium but no teams to play against.:biggrin:

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Haven't you heard? We're movin' on up.

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Originally Posted by StL Bison Fan

Haven't you heard? We're movin' on up.

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Have THEY been notified??:biggrin:

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Originally Posted by LITTLEGUYSINGREEN

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Another 1 on the FBS bandwagon welcome. NDSU is too good for fcs

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Originally Posted by semobison

Like this:
NDSU: We are very interested in joining the MWC and we think we could bring a great product to your conference.
MWC: sorry, we have no plans for expansion at this time.

NDSU: We are very interested in joining the MAC and feel we would be a great addition to your conference.
MAC: We are not interested at this time, thanks for calling.

NDSU: Um... anybody got the number for the Sunbelt?

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WE DON'T HAVE TO JOIN A CONFERENCE FOR ALL SPORTS. THE SUMMIT IS FINE FOR NOW. ALL CONFERENCES ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND or solidify their position. They want to protect themselves from other conferences, particularly the SEC. You make it sound like joining a football only football conference is analogous to dating Kate Upton. WE ARE THE SOON-TO-BE-QUAD NATIONAL CHAMPIONS. Jesus Christ, with our attendance and are following we have something to offer to each of the 5 non Big Five conferences.

You are a fool if you don't think Taylor has talked to the Sun Belt commissioner, the MAC commissioner and others.

I hope everyone that wants to stay in the FCS is ready for our big OOC games each year to be . . .

Sam Houston
Chatanooga
Un_
Bill & Mary
FAMU
MT State

This is our FCS future. Gas up the bus.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

I think the MWC is a big step up but I don't see them adding us. It is an upper level G5 conference and a very good basketball conference.

Also not sure where Boise is going to go. Like us they have geography and market issues when you talk about the P5 but on top of that /B]they also have academic issues.[B]B] The Pac 12 will never touch them, that leaves just the Big 12 and that would make them a big outlier.

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this is true. I think NDSU is in good shape here comparatively speaking

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Originally Posted by Strongman

You are a fool if you don't think Taylor has talked to the Sun Belt commissioner, the MAC commissioner and others.

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Iowa is not happy in the B1G?

[QUOTE=Herd;922341]I hope everyone that wants to stay in the FCS is ready for our big OOC games each year to be . . .

Sam Houston
Chatanooga
Un_
Bill & Mary
FAMU
MT State

This is our FCS future. Gas up the bus.[/QUOTE

Do you know of a conference that is willing to take NDSU?

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Originally Posted by Herd

I hope everyone that wants to stay in the FCS is ready for our big OOC games each year to be . . .

Sam Houston
Chatanooga
Un_
Bill & Mary
FAMU
MT State

This is our FCS future. Gas up the bus.

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So, you're saying we have an invite that we are turning down?

Lakes twin just said Gene talked to the other conference commissioners.

I'm sure we'll strongly consider any invitations we receive. No more to really discuss.

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Originally Posted by NorthernBison

So, you're saying we have an invite that we are turning down?

Lakes twin just said Gene talked to the other conference commissioners.

I'm sure we'll strongly consider any invitations we receive. No more to really discuss.

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What happened first, moving DI or getting an invite to the MVFC? You have to declare your intentions, thats Step 1, not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by Herd

I hope everyone that wants to stay in the FCS is ready for our big OOC games each year to be . . .

Sam Houston
Chatanooga
Un_
Bill & Mary
FAMU
MT State

This is our FCS future. Gas up the bus.[/QUOTE

Do you know of a conference that is willing to take NDSU?

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How would you expect anyone but a University official know this?

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Originally Posted by Herd

What happened first, moving DI or getting an invite to the MVFC? You have to declare your intentions, thats Step 1, not the other way around.

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GT already has stated that he talked to the MWC or WAC that when they were discussing expansion that he wanted to make sure NDSU was in the discussion. How much more of a declaration do you need?

Unless whatever level we move up to has a playoff system similar to what we have now, I see no reason to move. I just can't get excited about waiting around for 3-4 weeks after the regular season for a chance to compete in the Sh*t.com Bowl on a Tuesday night in mid December in some hellhole like Detroit, MI or Shreveport, LA.

Unless you are in Sugar, Orange, Cotton, Fiesta, or Rose, the FBS Bowl system absolutely sucks.


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Originally Posted by Strongman

WE DON'T HAVE TO JOIN A CONFERENCE FOR ALL SPORTS. THE SUMMIT IS FINE FOR NOW. ALL CONFERENCES ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND or solidify their position. They want to protect themselves from other conferences, particularly the SEC. You make it sound like joining a football only football conference is analogous to dating Kate Upton. WE ARE THE SOON-TO-BE-QUAD NATIONAL CHAMPIONS. Jesus Christ, with our attendance and are following we have something to offer to each of the 5 non Big Five conferences.

You are a fool if you don't think Taylor has talked to the Sun Belt commissioner, the MAC commissioner and others.

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Then our conference invite must be lost in the mail....right? Hey I am not against a move up if or when it might happen. BUT WE DONT HAVE A CONFERENCE INVITE!! Some of you just don't get it!

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Originally Posted by Herd

What happened first, moving DI or getting an invite to the MVFC? You have to declare your intentions, thats Step 1, not the other way around.

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Is that how it worked with GSU? You know exactly who said what to who and when? I love it when people are SO SURE about things they have no clue about.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

GT already has stated that he talked to the MWC or WAC that when they were discussing expansion that he wanted to make sure NDSU was in the discussion. How much more of a declaration do you need?

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Stating that you will begin an FBS transition in football starting in 2018. That is how you declare your intention. Doing so would generate serious discussions with conferences.

Making a couple phone calls is same as nothing.

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Originally Posted by NorthernBison

Is that how it worked with GSU? You know exactly who said what to who and when? I love it when people are SO SURE about things they have no clue about.

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Answer the question, did NDSU get a MVFC invite before or after a DI move was declared?

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Originally Posted by Herd

Stating that you will begin an FBS transition in football starting in 2018. That is how you declare your intention. Doing so would generate serious discussions with conferences.

Making a couple phone calls is same as nothing.

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it doesn't work like that anymore. You can't move up and be an independent. If you declare without a conference and then no one takes you you've got egg all over your face and you're still FCS.

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Originally Posted by Herd

Stating that you will begin an FBS transition in football starting in 2018. That is how you declare your intention. Doing so would generate serious discussions with conferences.

Making a couple phone calls is same as nothing.

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How can you begin a transition if you have nothing to transition to? The NCAA says you must have a conference affiliation to make such a move.

Plus how would making a bad business decision generate serious discussions when they have no plans for expansion?

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Originally Posted by Herd

Answer the question, did NDSU get a MVFC invite before or after a DI move was declared?

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After but that was a different situation. We didn't need a conference invite to go DI in FCS but we do to go FBS. So we can say we want to go FBS all we want but it isn't going to do any good without a conference invite.

Best advice is to increase your donations to NDSU so that if or when something shakes out we are ready.

We have PUBLICLY ZERO ZILCH PROOF THAT NDSU ADMIN HAS SOLICITED THE MWC OR MAC!!

strongman is my boy, but gene didn't talk to them to persuade them to invite NDSU nor has Dean

NDSU in order to get an invite. .. (NO SHIT SHERLOCKS WE NEED AN INVITE WE KNOW THAT.....BUT ) OUR ADMIN HAS TO "SELL THEM" ON NDSU!!!!

You Debbie downers can say that to your blue in the face, it's your only comeback we get that.....but this is salesmanship 101.... NDSU has to get out and do this (sigh..with an associate ad from stony brook)

NDSU is too good for the Fcs my god, read the top 25 poll in the fcs, it's laughable to associate NDSU with those teams!

Lets face it, NDSU has hit its peak, but FBS games will be impossibleto get going forward. Iowa State will be replaced with Upper Iowa. Our days of battling the mac and mwc for recruits will be gone, as will the days of top 40 teams. Without FBS games, we regress, period.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

We have PUBLICLY ZERO ZILCH PROOF THAT NDSU ADMIN HAS SOLICITED THE MWC OR MAC!!

strongman is my boy, but gene didn't talk to them to persuade them to invite NDSU nor has Dean

NDSU in order to get an invite. .. (NO SHIT SHERLOCKS WE NEED AN INVITE WE KNOW THAT.....BUT ) OUR ADMIN HAS TO "SELL THEM" ON NDSU!!!!

You Debbie downers can say that to your blue in the face, it's your only comeback we get that.....but this is salesmanship 101.... NDSU has to get out and do this (sigh..with an associate ad from stony brook)

NDSU is too good for the Fcs my god, read the top 25 poll in the fcs, it's laughable to associate NDSU with those teams!

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You are calling Gene Taylor a liar?

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Originally Posted by Herd

Answer the question, did NDSU get a MVFC invite before or after a DI move was declared?

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We got an invite after we actually MOVED.

Moving from D2 to D1 is different than the FCS to FBS move. You can't move to FBS without a conference invitation.

You are stating that an announcement must be made before a conference will invite you. That defies logic. It would seem that simply letting conferences know we are interested would serve to give them notice. BTW, something that Gene has said that he did.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

We have PUBLICLY ZERO ZILCH PROOF THAT NDSU ADMIN HAS SOLICITED THE MWC OR MAC!!

strongman is my boy, but gene didn't talk to them to persuade them to invite NDSU nor has Dean

NDSU in order to get an invite. .. (NO SHIT SHERLOCKS WE NEED AN INVITE WE KNOW THAT.....BUT ) OUR ADMIN HAS TO "SELL THEM" ON NDSU!!!!

You Debbie downers can say that to your blue in the face, it's your only comeback we get that.....but this is salesmanship 101.... NDSU has to get out and do this (sigh..with an associate ad from stony brook)

NDSU is too good for the Fcs my god, read the top 25 poll in the fcs, it's laughable to associate NDSU with those teams!

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Remember when those teams currently in the fcs top 25 thought we were a joke....my god relax and take normal look at the situation.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

We have PUBLICLY ZERO ZILCH PROOF THAT NDSU ADMIN HAS SOLICITED THE MWC OR MAC!!

strongman is my boy, but gene didn't talk to them to persuade them to invite NDSU nor has Dean

NDSU in order to get an invite. .. (NO SHIT SHERLOCKS WE NEED AN INVITE WE KNOW THAT.....BUT ) OUR ADMIN HAS TO "SELL THEM" ON NDSU!!!!

You Debbie downers can say that to your blue in the face, it's your only comeback we get that.....but this is salesmanship 101.... NDSU has to get out and do this (sigh..with an associate ad from stony brook)

NDSU is too good for the Fcs my god, read the top 25 poll in the fcs, it's laughable to associate NDSU with those teams!

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So how do we "sell" our lack of money, TV markets, stadium size, geographic location, etc. etc. El Cheapo???? Do tell!

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Originally Posted by Herd

Answer the question, did NDSU get a MVFC invite before or after a DI move was declared?

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Don't remember the Great West?

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Originally Posted by Bisonator98

So how do we "sell" our lack of money, TV markets, stadium size, geographic location, etc. etc. El Cheapo???? Do tell!

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Don't ask , logic is slim with this one