Sun Belt Expansion

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

Prolly not a good measure.Kids from Florida.

Going from Florida to North Dakota isnt even in the same ballpark as Florida to Georgia. Infact Bruce Anderson was the first Florida player to my knowledge to choose ndsu over fbs guys.

A better test would be if a Minnesota kid chose Georgia Southern

Also gotta find out if they are offering stipends.

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It is what is and that's what is one the table at the moment. It will be fun to watch

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Originally Posted by td577

They started their study when the rules were they had to have attendance and scholarship numbers committed to move up, not an invite. In 2013, an invite was required. When they finalized their study and made the decision an invite came from the Sun Belt in 2013. I don't know at what point in their study if they knew they had to have an invite to complete the process, but in 2012 when they were finishing up all the commitments to move up the rules were different. NDSU could have moved up in 2012, as well. We were above the minimum attendance numbers and would have just had to commit to the scholarships. In 2012, 14 FCS schools had the minimum attendance numbers to move up with NDSU being the only MVFC school who could have done it. App State and Georgia Southern started their studies under those rules. Now, as we know, you need an invite to move up.

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Bold.... move up and pray for a conference.

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Originally Posted by MAKBison

Bold.... move up and pray for a conference.

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It wasn't like that in 2012. The NCAA rules would have allowed teams moving up to play as independents. The rules change was no more independents. So in order to move up, you have to have an invite. When App State and Georgia Southern started their study, they were thinking they were going to move up as independents. They had pretty much made the decision to move up at the same time the rules got changed to no independents. It worked out for them the Sun Belt invited them when they did or they wouldn't be moving up because without that invite their plan went to shit.

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Originally Posted by MAKBison

Bold.... move up and pray for a conference.

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Isn't that basically what we did by moving up from DII?

http://www.theadvertiser.com/story/s...ship/30543863/


oh boy....EKU and CCU

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Originally Posted by tjbison

http://www.theadvertiser.com/story/s...ship/30543863/


oh boy....EKU and CCU

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“I think Eastern Kentucky has been public in declaring their interest in moving up to FBS. I think that Coastal Carolina has not made that public statement,” Benson told The Daily Advertiser in a one-on-one interview. “So has Eastern Kentucky contacted the Sun Belt? Yes."

I wonder if any other schools declared their interest to the Sun Belt. These two schools would be a good fit in the conference; and Idaho really ought to drop to the Big Sky.

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Originally Posted by DePereBisonFan

“I think Eastern Kentucky has been public in declaring their interest in moving up to FBS. I think that Coastal Carolina has not made that public statement,” Benson told The Daily Advertiser in a one-on-one interview. “So has Eastern Kentucky contacted the Sun Belt? Yes."

I wonder if any other schools declared their interest to the Sun Belt. These two schools would be a good fit in the conference; and Idaho really ought to drop to the Big Sky.

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You think those schools are FBS caliber schools? Looks like the G5 is going to be watered down

App st and GSU showed last year they just paid a shit ton more money and lost playoffs to dominate a crap conference

I hope we never have to resort to a SBC type conference

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Originally Posted by tjbison

You think those schools are FBS caliber schools? Looks like the G5 is going to be watered down

App st and GSU showed last year they just paid a shit ton more money and lost playoffs to dominate a crap conference

I hope we never have to resort to a SBC type conference

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Geographically speaking, they fit pretty well. And the difference between the G5 and the top 5 FCS conferences is pretty slim especially when controlling for scholarships.

I hope whatever that regardless of what happens the next few years, a good opportunity presents itself to North Dakota State, keeping in mind "the harder I work the luckier I get."

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Originally Posted by tjbison

You think those schools are FBS caliber schools? Looks like the G5 is going to be watered down

App st and GSU showed last year they just paid a shit ton more money and lost playoffs to dominate a crap conference

I hope we never have to resort to a SBC type conference

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I hope the MVFC continues to be the 6th best football conference in the country until they and the top of the FCS can come together with the G5 (minus a couple of teams at the top?)

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Originally Posted by tjbison

You think those schools are FBS caliber schools? Looks like the G5 is going to be watered down

App st and GSU showed last year they just paid a shit ton more money and lost playoffs to dominate a crap conference

I hope we never have to resort to a SBC type conference

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I really know nothing about Eastern Kentucky. Coastal Carolina would fit in the Sun Belt. They are committed to football and they can compete in the Sun Belt. They really should be asking themselves if they want to. CC could keep building their program and contend for a FCS championship and find a better conference when the dust settles. CC immediately makes the top half of the Sun Belt heavy with schools that were FCS within the past few years. I don't know if that speaks more for the FCS or the Sun Belt.

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Originally Posted by td577

I really know nothing about Eastern Kentucky. Coastal Carolina would fit in the Sun Belt. They are committed to football and they can compete in the Sun Belt. They really should be asking themselves if they want to. CC could keep building their program and contend for a FCS championship and find a better conference when the dust settles. CC immediately makes the top half of the Sun Belt heavy with schools that were FCS within the past few years. I don't know if that speaks more for the FCS or the Sun Belt.

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EKU, aka the Colonels, is a frequent playoff team that plays in a place that resembles (at least on TV) a slightly nicer version of SDSU's former stadium. I think it's under renovation or has recently been renovated.

http://www.championshipsubdivision.c...tadium/eku.jpg

For that part of the world (on the western edge of one of the poorest regions in the country. 1/4 of the population of the city is under the poverty line, and the median income is about 1/2 of what it is in Fargo) it's not too shabby. Will be interesting to see how the OVC responds for basketball, etc, if they end up leaving. do they try to court the ooey pooey and/or Fort Wayne?

Richmond KY is in the shadow of Lexington, so UK pretty much dominates the local scene.

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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

I hope the MVFC continues to be the 6th best football conference in the country until they and the top of the FCS can come together with the G5 (minus a couple of teams at the top?)

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We only have computer rankings right now but NDSU has been right there with the top G5 programs over the past few years.

2014
Marshall 23
NDSU 32
Louisiana Tech 34
Boise State 36
Memphis 39
ISUr 41
Utah State 52

2013 NDSU 17 and Louisville was next at 20. 2012 NDSU was 35 and 3rd among G5 schools with San Jose State at 29. 2011 NDSU was 7 spots behind Cincinnati at 37. 2010 Delaware was 52, right in the middle of the top ranked G5 schools.

I am sure I am missing some. I almost included Louisville at 30 in 2014, but they moved up to the ACC last year. Of course, the top G5 schools would probably round out the P5 conferences at 14 or 16 schools each for those conferences not there.

The top FCS programs would most likely be in the top of the G5 conferences without changing a whole lot other than recruiting a little more depth with the extra full scholarships.

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Originally Posted by Tatanka

EKU, aka the Colonels, is a frequent playoff team that plays in a place that resembles (at least on TV) a slightly nicer version of SDSU's former stadium. I think it's under renovation or has recently been renovated.

http://www.championshipsubdivision.c...tadium/eku.jpg

For that part of the world (on the western edge of one of the poorest regions in the country. 1/4 of the population of the city is under the poverty line, and the median income is about 1/2 of what it is in Fargo) it's not too shabby. Will be interesting to see how the OVC responds for basketball, etc, if they end up leaving. do they try to court the ooey pooey and/or Fort Wayne?

Richmond KY is in the shadow of Lexington, so UK pretty much dominates the local scene.

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Jesus. Dacotah Field was nicer than that. Actually it still may be lol!

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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

I hope the MVFC continues to be the 6th best football conference in the country until they and the top of the FCS can come together with the G5 (minus a couple of teams at the top?)

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this.....like our core teams as is, would love if the MvFC could be the next level all together

EKU outbid JMU for a home playoff game and then had 2,338 fans show up.

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Originally Posted by tony

EKU outbid JMU for a home playoff game and then had 2,338 fans show up.

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So JMU travels well.

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Originally Posted by td577

So JMU travels well.

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if NDSU did a h and h with JMU I would go there, want to see their stadium

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Originally Posted by tjbison

if NDSU did a h and h with JMU I would go there, want to see their stadium

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It's a beautiful town, and looks like a kickass stadium.

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Originally Posted by Tatanka

It's a beautiful town, and looks like a kickass stadium.

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Thy art a solid futbol program. 'tis marry a solid stadium and a great city. thy would enjoy a match with them in thy future.

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

Thy art a solid futbol program. 'tis marry a solid stadium and a great city. thy would enjoy a match with them in thy future.

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Will their be a translation in the margin of the page or?

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

Thy art a solid futbol program. 'tis marry a solid stadium and a great city. thy would enjoy a match with them in thy future.

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This is one of your more well thought out, articulate posts. Nice work!

Sun Belt is going to be getting at lot of Big Ten games now.

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Originally Posted by North Side

Sun Belt is going to be getting at lot of Big Ten games now.

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I dont think so, SBC SOS is not good

MWC, CUSA and AAC are loving it, SBC is still on an island i think

Sounds like an SBC visit to CCU is in the works.

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/spo...e29775115.html

I believe the Sun Belt also visited EKU sometime in the last year. I'm not sure if EKU is currently the number one choice and CCU the backup, or vice versa. Seems like the general thought is a non-FB invite to start, then a likely FB invite a few years later. Not all that different than the WKU situation a decade ago.

CCU would be a good fit in football talent-wise, but they rarely fill up there 9210 set stadium. They have to average 15k to stay FBS. So they need 6000 more seats and they have to fill them every game. It is too bad because they have a very good program moving in the right direction. What would the investment look like to expand to a 16k seat stadium and average 15k per game? They have to bump their spending up around $5m per year anyways and then add in a stadium expansion in a conference with around a $1M per year payout. That is the crux of the Sun Belt. The newspaper article student provided didn't take into account the difference in revenue vs. expenditure it only looked at what they are bringing in now vs. what they could bring in with the SBC. The current difference is much lower. They are one of the FCS schools in a better position being FCS than in the SBC.

On a side note, NDSU doesn't have to do anything stadium-wise to move into a G5 conference until later. We can average the 15k minimum required. That is a multi-million dollar expense off the books until the right time to make the move towards a new stadium. If it was the MW, the added expenditures would be a zero-sum difference compared to conference payouts compared to now. The move in the long run would not cost NDSU tens of millions of dollars like it would CCU. On top of that, the dome gets replaces at the end of its life cycle, not out of a specific need. It will be an expense regardless, so it will have to work out regardless of tier affiliation. It is kind of sad that CCU is considering this move when it might mark the end of their program rather than some exciting new era unless the school and its alumni are willing to shell out 2 to 3 times as much to play football with less to gain. The long term payoff will be CCU guarantees they will be in the second tier, but when it all shakes out, they will anyways and the G5 conferences will have to restructure to find some balance among its conferences. Being in the SBC now costs money. In two to three years, it might be profitable. They would lose nothing by waiting. There is no reason to force anything.

CCU has a pretty solid basketball program. They would compete in the S*** Belt. But that's not saying much.

CCU will accept if the Sun Belt offers an invite.....

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/spo...e30466269.html

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

CCU will accept if the Sun Belt offers an invite.....

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/spo...e30466269.html

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I'm sure it's just formalities now, cc is as good as gone, funny thing is, App St and GSU would have never let CCU into the Socon but all of a sudden they will be a worthy addition to FBS

Well if you can't beat the Bison you better just get out of the fcs. How many nattys do we have to win before the other schools left in the fcs pay our way to the next level. Big 12 here we come!

Still it is interesting that the Sun Belt is going to visit a third mystery school but I do agree that CCU seems to be the leader in the clubhouse. I have no idea why they would want EKU. CCU is a much better addition.

Another 1 gone from Fcs.

Coastal players on twitter calling Fcs D3 as in the 3rd tier .

NDSU needed to be in 2nd tier like all of you have been saying!!!

Crap.

10 char

Looks CCU is the Belt's choice....

from Coastal Fans....

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BREAKING: Sources have confirmed that a "historic press conference" will occur @ 1:00pm tomorrow in the HTC Center. Open to the public.

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https://twitter.com/coastalfans/stat...90616326844416

And we're getting left behind like Division 2 all over again.

Fuck me. Fuck me.

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Originally Posted by IBleedYellow

And we're getting left behind like Division 2 all over again.

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Yeah, it isn't good. FCS in the Southeast has more or less been gutted, sure there are some good private schools but I am not sure they really move the needle much.

Now a major college football sports writer has confirmed it....

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Coastal Carolina will join Sun Belt in football in 2017-18, all other sports in 2016-17 sources told @ESPN

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https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/sta...14844841414656

CCU better hope the ncaa doesn't all of a sudden enforce attendance they need 7k more to reach the 15



and yes I know that don't mean shit

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Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10

Fuck me. Fuck me.

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I thought that was El chapos job.