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WhoRepsTheLurker
https://x.com/TBM_JY/status/19371406...tmlpid20196076
Let the wild-ass speculation begin. I suspect we’ll know something this week, about more than just the PAC. NMSU makes the most sense to me and would qualify as a “bombshell”. I guess we’ll find out this week how tapped in these guys are … they are quite bullish on NDSU to MWC
Total baitcasting, and nothing new posted here, outside the possibility of a 9th PAC member add, which is logical.
8 is necessary for survival, 9 is good for FBS scheduling.
Texas St is already well known, and he just says that is going to happen, with a possible rumor of a 9th.
The 9th member he claims fits one of the following
"UNLV
Memphis
Tulane
1 of the Texas AAC schools.
Any school that is so far East that folks haven't considered.."
Thats a pretty broad and logical shortlist.
The potential "surprise" from the East would be UConn, and wouldn't be a surprise at all. Alternatively, there's a chance USF moves from AAC.
UNT and UTSA from AAC could be in play for PAC.
Without naming the specific school, and being correct on that school getting named as #9, anyone could have come up with this.
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The Big Mountain guy has been adamant that NDSU is coming to the MW as a football only add. He mentions it twice in that very thread you just referenced.
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MWC
The Big Mountain guy has been adamant that NDSU is coming to the MW as a football only add. He mentions it twice in that very thread you just referenced.
He's a fan for sure. I guess we'll see. I know some of our fans are getting edgy
I guess “bombshell” means different things to different people. Sorry to troll the Aggies, poor Aggies …
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reformedUNDfan
NMSU seems more like a dud tbh.
back over the winter it was reported that NDSU and MWC had discussions and NDSU was firm on all-sports-only. Assuming that they want to move up, which I think they do, I don't think you play that card unless you have something better than a MWC football-only bid in your pocket.
Where did you see the bold part reported? Back when McMurphy was saying that the MWC had "interest" in NDSU it was as a football-only member and, in my opinion, that is the perfect scenario for an athletic department that need to be very cost conscientious overall but has a football program that has greatly outgrown its current subdivision.
I seem to recall Matt Larsen give a very matter-of-fact one word "No" answer when Dom asked him if he had any financial concerns about NDSU making a football-only move to an FBS conference. I'm not saying that rules out what you said but I've don't ever remember hearing that was NDSU pushing for an all-sports MWC invite vs football only - in fact I'd guess they would've pushed for the opposite if given their preference.
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He did say he has NDSU going to MWC and not PAC-12 so that seems to eliminate NDSU as the bombshell since the bombshell is PAC-12 related.
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some are saying that whole post was triggered by this X post, who is a notoriously bad source and generally just pulls stuff out his arse. He is known for spreading bullcrap.
https://x.com/ramblinroundup/status/...28tYPqkQw&s=19
Sorry, but the TBM guys don't come across as all that credible to me, more of an echo chamber of other well known rumors. If they thought they had something, they should be naming specific schools, right now they can just go "told you so, that was the rumor" if *any* 9th school is added, which is an obvious play for the PAC. This reminds me of the same tricks fortune tellers use to fool their clients. Ambiguity that gives a lot of opportunity to appear correct.
Nine members is considered a good stable size for a conference, and it won't be a shock at all if they add 2 shortly.
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Professor Chaos
Where did you see the bold part reported? Back when McMurphy was saying that the MWC had "interest" in NDSU it was as a football-only member and, in my opinion, that is the perfect scenario for an athletic department that need to be very cost conscientious overall but has a football program that has greatly outgrown its current subdivision.
I seem to recall Matt Larsen give a very matter-of-fact one word "No" answer when Dom asked him if he had any financial concerns about NDSU making a football-only move to an FBS conference. I'm not saying that rules out what you said but I've don't ever remember hearing that was NDSU pushing for an all-sports MWC invite vs football only - in fact I'd guess they would've pushed for the opposite if given their preference.
I believe that is from a McFeely appearance on Izzo's show
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D1 council voted to formally reject Sac St bid for FBS transition without conference invite
https://x.com/ChrisVannini/status/1937649466833551585
No shock to anyone who has followed transition waiver requests the past few years in NCAA.
Our best path is if PAC poaches additional MW members, or MW decides to expand. Expansion via FCS teams is also unfortunately not easy in current environment where P2 wish to shrink FBS membership rather than grow it.
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BigHorns
Committee voted to formally reject Sac St bid for FBS transition without conference invite
https://x.com/ChrisVannini/status/1937649466833551585
No shock to anyone who has followed transition waiver requests the past few years in NCAA.
Our best path is if PAC poaches additional MW members, or MW decides to expand. Expansion via FCS teams is also unfortunately not easy in current environment where P2 wish to shrink FBS membership rather than grow it.
The power 2 wanting to shrink membership is a myth. Reality is every conference will have the ability to go up to 105 full rides scholarships
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reformedUNDfan
I believe that is from a McFeely appearance on Izzo's show
Possibly, though never heard/saw that myself outside of Lakes posting it everywhere.
Would be rather shocked if we turned down football only invite to MW, insisting it be all sports or nothing.
All sports members are generally desirable for FBS conferences, as they give a buffer if you lose members. To retain status, an FBS conference must have 8 all sports members.
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HerdBot
The power 2 wanting to shrink membership is a myth. Reality is every conference will have the ability to go up to 105 full rides scholarships
Their actions say otherwise. Likelihood of eventual split of P2 or P4 persists. They made an attempt already towards establishing a third subdivision in D1 football. Not speaking about scholarships here, but rather the ability to fully participate in top tier of football and playoffs.
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BigHorns
Possibly, though never heard/saw that myself outside of Lakes posting it everywhere.
Would be rather shocked if we turned down football only invite to MW, insisting it be all sports or nothing.
All sports members are generally desirable for FBS conferences, as they give a buffer if you lose members. To retain status, an FBS conference must have 8 all sports members.
My read has been that the pro-NDSU faction in the MWC is now all in the PAC, where we bring alot of football value but don't offer anything outside of track in the olympic sports. At the time that the MWC split we appeared to have a shift in rhetoric from the AD and some high level people seemed excited including our own Mr Burgundy. I also feel like NDSU would want to get a full season under Coach P before announcing and give them a season to leave on top and at full strength. It made sense at the time that we would get an invite and sit on it.
Being able to bring in high-mid-major opponents for basketball (UNLV, UNM, etc) would probably be a big deal, so the adminstration would take an all-sports invitation and full revenue cut from the MWC over the football only and partial revenue from the PAC. I could also be seeing ghosts. In any case I think we will have an announcement for either conference within the next month, there are no better opportunities for either conference.
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reformedUNDfan
My read has been that the pro-NDSU faction in the MWC is now all in the PAC, where we bring alot of football value but don't offer anything outside of track in the olympic sports. At the time that the MWC split we appeared to have a shift in rhetoric from the AD and some high level people seemed excited including our own Mr Burgundy. I also feel like NDSU would want to get a full season under Coach P before announcing and give them a season to leave on top and at full strength. It made sense at the time that we would get an invite and sit on it.
Being able to bring in high-mid-major opponents for basketball (UNLV, UNM, etc) would probably be a big deal, so the adminstration would take an all-sports invitation and full revenue cut from the MWC over the football only and partial revenue from the PAC. I could also be seeing ghosts. In any case I think we will have an announcement for either conference within the next month, there are no better opportunities for either conference.
I'm quite skeptical we get a breakthru announcement that soon, but certainly hope you are right.
Texas St is nearly 100% PAC's #8, and it feels very unlikely they will add a FCS school. It feels like they may even consider holding at 8 for a year or so if that helps them land another MW or AAC school (exit fees would be lower). If they poach a MW school, that certainly feels like it would leave few other good options for them. They can't pull from AAC, and would have to look towards MAC again or CUSA if they want to avoid FCS teams.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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MWC
The Big Mountain guy has been adamant that NDSU is coming to the MW as a football only add. He mentions it twice in that very thread you just referenced.
Is he right?
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WhoRepsTheLurker
Is he right?
Well, he certainly believes he is. I have no idea.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
BigHorns
D1 council voted to formally reject Sac St bid for FBS transition without conference invite
https://x.com/ChrisVannini/status/1937649466833551585
No shock to anyone who has followed transition waiver requests the past few years in NCAA.
Our best path is if PAC poaches additional MW members, or MW decides to expand. Expansion via FCS teams is also unfortunately not easy in current environment where P2 wish to shrink FBS membership rather than grow it.
Is there any chance Sacramento State can be eligible for the FCS playoffs?
They sure put together an interesting Transfer Portal class, but did they blow through FCS scholarship limits on the way?
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yes...would need an at large bid.
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Texas St invite to PAC now seems imminent. Assuming they accept, pressure is off PAC to make further moves quickly.
https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1937...-page-134.html
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Crazy to me that Texas St is seen as a valuable enough program to add to the PAC.
But we’ve hashed and rehashed the stupidity of conference additions before.
*Sent from my iPhone where autocorrect is definitely not my friend*
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TAILG8R
Crazy to me that Texas St is seen as a valuable enough program to add to the PAC.
But we’ve hashed and rehashed the stupidity of conference additions before.
*Sent from my iPhone where autocorrect is definitely not my friend*
Well the alternative appears to be New Mexico State.
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Sacramento State is a proven FCS powerhouse. But It’s not ready for FBS
No, I'm not buying you a new monitor after you spit your drink all over this one.
FWIW Sacramento St notified the Big Sky that they plan to depart on June 30th 2026. So they may still be eligible for the Big Sky auto this upcoming season although I think that depends on what the remaining Big Sky schools want to do with them.
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TAILG8R
Crazy to me that Texas St is seen as a valuable enough program to add to the PAC.
But we’ve hashed and rehashed the stupidity of conference additions before.
*Sent from my iPhone where autocorrect is definitely not my friend*
Texas St was the least worst add.
PAC2 tried to get a P4 invite. That failed.
PAC2 tried to poach the top AAC members to form the top G5 conference. That failed.
PAC2 tried to survive by adding the top MWC programs. Mostly successful but they ended up 1 short.
PAC7 required a football and baseball member to remain a valid NCAA conference. There weren't a lot of options.
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KSBisonFan
"Sacramento State has met every meaningful benchmark for FBS membership, and we believe our university, our students, and the entire Sacramento region deserve major college football," Wood wrote in a statement posted to X. "We're full steam ahead and we still plan to be playing FBS football in 2026."
Wood did not provide details of potential next steps. Boise State law professor Sam Ehrlich said on X that legal action could be an option.
"This will lead to litigation. Forcing a school to rely on the whims of conferences (to) let them compete for the economic benefits of a higher division is just the sort of arbitrary gatekeeping that draws harsh antitrust scrutiny," Ehrlich wrote.
Interesting lawsuit there...
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DePereBisonFan
"Sacramento State has met every meaningful benchmark for FBS membership, and we believe our university, our students, and the entire Sacramento region deserve major college football," Wood wrote in a statement posted to X. "We're full steam ahead and we still plan to be playing FBS football in 2026."
Wood did not provide details of potential next steps. Boise State law professor Sam Ehrlich said on X that legal action could be an option.
"This will lead to litigation. Forcing a school to rely on the whims of conferences (to) let them compete for the economic benefits of a higher division is just the sort of arbitrary gatekeeping that draws harsh antitrust scrutiny," Ehrlich wrote.
Interesting lawsuit there...
It will be interesting to see if they follow thru on that. Litigation can be expensive, but do they have backing of state AG? If so, what type of money/budget for that case? Won't be made public, so could become a game of poker if NCAA fights them. Court cases often are won by deeper pockets.
JMU threatened a lawsuit against NCAA during transition because they thought they had a shot at NY6/CFP, but ultimately backed down. Legal argument being posed was essentially the same as the one here. They had state legislators and AG backing it for a while. Suspect it was largely sabre rattling for their constituency. A real court case would have been expensive.
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PAC offers Texas St, expected to be finalized/accepted Monday.
This move has been obvious for months now, it just got to the point where PAC exhausted any better options (eg: Memphis, Tulane or UNLV) for #8 this year. They could add those schools later with lower exit fees, say 1-2 years from now. FCS callup was not going to happen with PAC, they are trying to poach from "lower" FBS conferences only. There is a hierarchy/tiering of FBS conferences, even inside the G6.
https://x.com/ChrisVannini/status/19...88-page-6.html
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BigHorns
It will be interesting to see if they follow thru on that. Litigation can be expensive, but do they have backing of state AG? If so, what type of money/budget for that case? Won't be made public, so could become a game of poker if NCAA fights them. Court cases often are won by deeper pockets.
JMU threatened a lawsuit against NCAA during transition because they thought they had a shot at NY6/CFP, but ultimately backed down. Legal argument being posed was essentially the same as the one here. They had state legislators and AG backing it for a while. Suspect it was largely sabre rattling for their constituency. A real court case would have been expensive.
Regardless of who wins or loses a suit, the NCAA could make Sac State wish the never heard of FBS. Undesirable time slots or not televised at all for not just football, but all their sports could bankrupt an athletic dept.
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NI4NI
Regardless of who wins or loses a suit, the NCAA could make Sac State wish the never heard of FBS. Undesirable time slots or not televised at all for not just football, but all their sports could bankrupt an athletic dept.
Indeed, that is the real risk with suing NCAA, you can become effectively blackballed by the system, and lose even if you win on paper. I suspect that is also part of why the JMU lawsuit thing quietly went away.
Beyond figuring out timeslots, no conference has to accept you. Good luck lining up a full FBS schedule these days outside of a conference, its nearly impossible. And thats just the start of the headaches, because there is also no guaranteed access to the CFP, etc. FBS Indy is extremely risky path, and even more so if you got there by suing NCAA. If you can't line up a FBS schedule because teams won't play you, you still lose status. Could win on paper, and still be locked out.
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BigHorns
Indeed, that is the real risk with suing NCAA, you can become effectively blackballed by the system, and lose even if you win on paper. I suspect that is also part of why the JMU lawsuit thing quietly went away.
Beyond figuring out timeslots, no conference has to accept you. Good luck lining up a full FBS schedule these days outside of a conference, its nearly impossible. And thats just the start of the headaches, because there is also no guaranteed access to the CFP, etc. FBS Indy is extremely risky path, and even more so if you got there by suing NCAA. If you can't line up a FBS schedule because teams won't play you, you still lose status. Could win on paper, and still be locked out.
And at the end of the day the P2 control the NCAA, so if it doesn't sparkle with them it ain't happening.
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NI4NI
Regardless of who wins or loses a suit, the NCAA could make Sac State wish the never heard of FBS. Undesirable time slots or not televised at all for not just football, but all their sports could bankrupt an athletic dept.
NCAA has no teeth. They have lost every law suit as of late. Plus truth be known I think every school would love to see the NCAA lose again so they can control their own destiny.
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56BISON73
NCAA has no teeth. They have lost every law suit as of late. Plus truth be known I think every school would love to see the NCAA lose again so they can control their own destiny.
But the schools are the NCAA?
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56BISON73
NCAA has no teeth. They have lost every law suit as of late. Plus truth be known I think every school would love to see the NCAA lose again so they can control their own destiny.
Just my gut but I think there will be pending congressional action that will effectively shield the NCAA from this type of lawsuit going forward. I also think sac state has no realistic shot at FBS any time soon and their president will be working elsewhere. Again, just my gut reading the tea leaves ...
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abc123
But the schools are the NCAA?
And they have taken a beating. Which is good. The BIG schools via the NCAA rules have stifled the movement of lower tier schools. The courts will get their shot.
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56BISON73
And they have taken a beating. Which is good. The BIG schools via the NCAA rules have stifled the movement of lower tier schools. The courts will get their shot.
This ^^^^^ The NCAA is what ever some fucking federal judge says it is and nothing more.
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southcliffbison
This ^^^^^ The NCAA is what ever some fucking federal judge says it is and nothing more.
The point remains that winning a lawsuit against the NCAA is the equivalent of pissing off the person that prepares your food. Do you want snot in every meal?
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NI4NI
The point remains that winning a lawsuit against the NCAA is the equivalent of pissing off the person that prepares your food. Do you want snot in every meal?
As to your comparison, I say the federal judge is the chef and the NCAA is the fat, bald, hairy, ugly waiter that serves you the meal.
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southcliffbison
As to your comparison, I say the federal judge is the chef and the NCAA is the fat, bald, hairy, ugly waiter that serves you the meal.
Yeah, after he puts snot on it. LOL
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NI4NI
The point remains that winning a lawsuit against the NCAA is the equivalent of pissing off the person that prepares your food. Do you want snot in every meal?
Not close. If you havent noticed the NCAA is not in any position for retribution. They are too busy trying to save their jobs and stay relevant.
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Could the Bison just skip FBS and go straight to the pro's?
https://www.inforum.com/sports/new-p...-up-in-the-air
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SoCalBison
Interesting concept to try to play on Sundays. No way that can be during the NFL season as even states without a NFL team have NFL teams people are fans of.
Maybe if they play into their brand … MLFs
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