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Matt gets a lot of blame but in my opinion Bresciani basically handcuffed him during the peak of our run, not only by being against the move but also by actively running the school into the ground at the same time. Matt is an easy scapegoat but his work with facilities and raising money has put us on a solid ground despite having a shit president until Cook took over.
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Professor Chaos
Their President is out there making (and quickly deleting) comments about how they'd put up 50 points on South Dakota (
link) after calling the FCS JV level football over the course of the last few months.
Sac State made their version of Lakes the school president.
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https://herosports.com/fcs-plot-twis...pendence-ksks/
This article talks about some dominoes yet to fall in the FCS. TX schools mentioned as going to the ASUN.
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I say we go independent FCS with a scheduling philosophy around taking on contenders. Frame ourselves as the giant who can't be toppled and like a carnival barker shouting from his tent ask who is brave enough to fight the champ! Sort of like we are forever the FCS Champion and every other program can prove themselves by beating the champ. Like a boss level in a video game.
Which after I type that out is pretty much the reality we already live in.
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NDSU1980
I'd like to know what Matt has done to get us even one inch closer to going FBS? Looks like he should have pursued the CUSA possibility when we had the chance. Instead Larsen acted like CUSA was beneath us.
The one article and chatter about CUSA is interesting, and I agree with bighorn, I’m not sure it was a firm offer. Also, in context, times were different. Conferences were still very much regional and the CUSA footprint didn’t make a ton of sense.
But more to the point of your answer, you’d “like to know what Matt has done to get us even one inch closer to going FBS…”
It’s an interesting admission on your part. You don’t know. I don’t either. But you’re assuming that he’s done nothing because we’re not going FBS. Does Matt owe you an explanation of all his actions to position us for FBS? I think it’s very obvious based on his comments over the last couple years that he is actively positioning NDSU as the best FCS candidate for a move to the MW, or other less-geographically-desirable FBS conferences.
You are saying the complete opposite, and the answer you’re giving is “I don’t know.” Stop drawing conclusions from a lack of knowledge.
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TAILG8R
I say we go independent FCS with a scheduling philosophy around taking on contenders. Frame ourselves as the giant who can't be toppled and like a carnival barker shouting from his tent ask who is brave enough to fight the champ! Sort of like we are forever the FCS Champion and every other program can prove themselves by beating the champ. Like a boss level in a video game.
Which after I type that out is pretty much the reality we already live in.
Lol. I agree with your reassessment. We are the boss of the FCS level Nintendo game. Our conference affiliation (or lack thereof) doesn’t really change that.
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Maybe Matt would have wanted to explore CUSA, but if the president doesn't even want to go FBS what is the point? That was where we were at that time.
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WhoRepsTheLurker
If you actually read and listen to the reporting, ML is pissed off because NDSU's collective dwarfs anything that our peers have, and that advantage would be blunted through opting in. However, I have no doubt he will do what it takes to go FBS. Please forgive me for being an optimist lol
Outside collectives are still allowed under the settlement. Nothing is stopping anyone's existing collectives to continue to operate as is. Unless you think athletes are getting above fair market value, it's pay for play and deals won't stand up to ask independent review. Then you might have a valid concern.
Roster limits would be the actual valid concern, which hurts walk-ons. I believe they are looking at being grandfathered and then reduced over time but I have not seen the most recent interpretations.
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abc123
Outside collectives are still allowed under the settlement. Nothing is stopping anyone's existing collectives to continue to operate as is. Unless you think athletes are getting above fair market value, it's pay for play and deals won't stand up to ask independent review. Then you might have a valid concern.
Roster limits would be the actual valid concern, which hurts walk-ons. I believe they are looking at being grandfathered and then reduced over time but I have not seen the most recent interpretations.
I’m just reporting what I read, bro, and it was directed at NDSU fans not you. Hopefully we’ll be in different subdivisions soon, and then we’ll all get along ;)
In all honesty, I’d be curious to see what you guys can do alone in FCS (like NDSU was). I think that would be interesting ...
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NDSUstudent
Maybe Matt would have wanted to explore CUSA, but if the president doesn't even want to go FBS what is the point? That was where we were at that time.
That's a very valid point. However, a $54 million dollar football practice facility with leadership with no desire for FBS probably warrants some criticism. The ROI of that facility without an FBS move is very questionable.
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heffray
Lol. I agree with your reassessment. We are the boss of the FCS level Nintendo game. Our conference affiliation (or lack thereof) doesn’t really change that.
Truth. The challenge with FCS Indy is likely 3/4 of FCS wouldn't want to play us for fear it would be a loss that keeps them out of the playoffs. Didn't JMU chicken out of a proposed regular season matchup over that? Given MVFC has some of the best remaining teams, it might make our schedule even more pud oriented than now. I'd sort of hate to replace SDSU with a Morgan St, Towson or Norfolk St type game.
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BigLakeBison
That's a very valid point. However, a $54 million dollar football practice facility with leadership with no desire for FBS probably warrants some criticism. The ROI of that facility without an FBS move is very questionable.
Do you seriously think when they were fund raising for this facility that donors were told we needed this to stay relevant in the FCS? Or that this is another step to FBS?
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BigHorns
Truth. The challenge with FCS Indy is likely 3/4 of FCS wouldn't want to play us for fear it would be a loss that keeps them out of the playoffs.
A good coach would encourage his AD to schedule the most difficult games as possible.
You can't improve playing against garbage programs.
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NI4NI
A good coach would encourage his AD to schedule the most difficult games as possible.
You can't improve playing against garbage programs.
For a lot of schools, just making the playoffs and possibly winning a game or two is considered success. There's not more than 4-5 that can really challenge us, and they generally want to improve their seeding by posting a better regular season record.
The one great thing about FCS playoffs is the true champion always emerges. If you are good enough, you will continue to advance in playoffs until you meet a superior team. This is why FBS should have more G6 conference autobids, though the odds are a million to one against it due to money and power.
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BigHorns
For a lot of schools, just making the playoffs and possibly winning a game or two is considered success.
That's all fine & good if your aspirations in life peak at living in Greenland's basement and weeding his garden. Winners in life will intentionally choose the more difficult pathway.
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there is nothing great about fcs playoffs....more than not 2nd and 3rd round matchups are worse than the previous rounds bc of regionality....
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skunkapekiller
there is nothing great about fcs playoffs....more than not 2nd and 3rd round matchups are worse than the previous rounds bc of regionality....
First 2 rounds suck but the semi and natty were really good. But most years we play cupcakes before the real games
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skunkapekiller
there is nothing great about fcs playoffs....more than not 2nd and 3rd round matchups are worse than the previous rounds bc of regionality....
I like that it leaves no doubt who the true champion is each year. Any team can theoretically win it all.
Have we outgrown fcs? Yes, but that doesn't make it a bad playoff system. The regionality thing could be fixed if the games generated more revenue to cover expenses.
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BigHorns
I like that it leaves no doubt who the true champion is each year. Any team can theoretically win it all.
Have we outgrown fcs? Yes, but that doesn't make it a bad playoff system. The regionality thing could be fixed if the games generated more revenue to cover expenses.
Regionality is largely fixed with them moving to 16 seeds as of last year.
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BigHorns
I like that it leaves no doubt who the true champion is each year. Any team can theoretically win it all.
Have we outgrown fcs? Yes, but that doesn't make it a bad playoff system. The regionality thing could be fixed if the games generated more revenue to cover expenses.
The NCAA covers the expenses and keeps most of the revenue. So we're end up getting free games and exposure on ABC, ESPN and ESPN plus. Teammakers gets playoff games to do the 50/50. The dome gets free revenue. NDSU not so much
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HerdBot
The NCAA covers the expenses and keeps most of the revenue. So we're end up getting free games and exposure on ABC, ESPN and ESPN plus. Teammakers gets playoff games to do the 50/50. The dome gets free revenue. NDSU not so much
Right, my point was historically FCS playoffs have had negative revenue/profit on NCAA side and been subsidized. That was the driver for regionalization, it was simply a cost containment measure by NCAA. If the NCAA collected revenues supported longer trips for everyone they could end regionalization entirely and fully seed the bracket.
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HerdBot
The NCAA covers the expenses and keeps most of the revenue. So we're end up getting free games and exposure on ABC, ESPN and ESPN plus. Teammakers gets playoff games to do the 50/50. The dome gets free revenue. NDSU not so much
The NCAA loses money on the FCS tournament overall. They probably lose less than most other sports, but they are still underwritten some by the basketball revenue (85% of NCAA revenue). I hear many schools lose money hosting, but I have no idea if that's true for NDSU.
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IndyBison
The NCAA loses money on the FCS tournament overall. They probably lose less than most other sports, but they are still underwritten some by the basketball revenue (85% of NCAA revenue). I hear many schools lose money hosting, but I have no idea if that's true for NDSU.
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So how do you sell TV rights and 15,000 tickets and lose money?
Maybe that's why we're being held captive in the FCS? We're the last big drawing card that they have.
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NI4NI
So how do you sell TV rights and 15,000 tickets and lose money?
Maybe that's why we're being held captive in the FCS? We're the last big drawing card that they have.
The NCAA get what ever the bid was or 70% of ticket sales which ever is greater. If I remember correctly.
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Personally I suspect we are in the last few days before we get our announcement.
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skunkapekiller
what announcement?
lakes got us into the big10.
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https://x.com/TBM_JY/status/19371406...tmlpid20196076
Let the wild-ass speculation begin. I suspect we’ll know something this week, about more than just the PAC. NMSU makes the most sense to me and would qualify as a “bombshell”. I guess we’ll find out this week how tapped in these guys are … they are quite bullish on NDSU to MWC
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WhoRepsTheLurker
https://x.com/TBM_JY/status/19371406...tmlpid20196076
Let the wild-ass speculation begin. I suspect we’ll know something this week, about more than just the PAC. NMSU makes the most sense to me and would qualify as a “bombshell”. I guess we’ll find out this week how tapped in these guys are … they are quite bullish on NDSU to MWC
NMSU seems more like a dud tbh.
back over the winter it was reported that NDSU and MWC had discussions and NDSU was firm on all-sports-only. Assuming that they want to move up, which I think they do, I don't think you play that card unless you have something better than a MWC football-only bid in your pocket.
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WhoRepsTheLurker
https://x.com/TBM_JY/status/19371406...tmlpid20196076
Let the wild-ass speculation begin. I suspect we’ll know something this week, about more than just the PAC. NMSU makes the most sense to me and would qualify as a “bombshell”. I guess we’ll find out this week how tapped in these guys are … they are quite bullish on NDSU to MWC
NMSU to the PAC would make no sense for the PAC.
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reformedUNDfan
Personally I suspect we are in the last few days before we get our announcement.
...Why?
You shouldn't even say stuff like this...
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WhoRepsTheLurker
https://x.com/TBM_JY/status/19371406...tmlpid20196076
Let the wild-ass speculation begin. I suspect we’ll know something this week, about more than just the PAC. NMSU makes the most sense to me and would qualify as a “bombshell”. I guess we’ll find out this week how tapped in these guys are … they are quite bullish on NDSU to MWC
Gonzaga is starting a football program. That would be a bombshell, no?
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nmsu over unm?
really?
get serious.
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Time for me to get my hopes up, only to be crushed again.
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wonder if tarleton state is back in play for mwc
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DePereBisonFan
NMSU to the PAC would make no sense for the PAC.
Gives you a western FBS school for peanuts (PAC may have $$ issues) and it would sure piss some people in the MW off lol … but yeah, hard to imagine UNLV – the obvious candidate – getting out of their agreement with the MWC, and the only other ‘bombshell’ I can think of is NDSU …
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idaho would get a pac12 invite before ndsu...regionally aligned and better academics.
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The silence coming from the NDSU camp is deafening.
Lol
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No_Skill
The silence coming from the NDSU camp is deafening.
Lol
Of course it is. Anything other than total silence requires work, and Matt Larsen doesn't do that.
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Alabama to the PAC would be a bombshell. PAC would be a P5 again, and Alabama would get an annual autobid. No more being the 1st team left out...