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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos

I think additional poaching from the MWC is off the table for the PAC. On top of them squeezing pretty much all the juice out of that orange (they clearly viewed Utah St as a Plan B/C option) the remaining MWC schools signed a grant-of-rights agreement that keeps them together through 2032 I believe.

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The 7 members in place before adding UTEP and GCU signed a memorandum of understanding to establish a GOR on July 1st 2026. That GOR will replace exit fees. However until then there will be exit fees and any school willing and able to pay that can still be poached. It seems unlikely but these are crazy times. After the GOR is put in place any MW school that gets poached to a P4 conference has their GOR waived.

This article presents a nice overview of the contract and the contract itself.

https://nevadasportsnet.com/news/rep...rence-together

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

"Consequences of publicly advocating for a spot in a new athletic conference are that it raises expectations prematurely, severs relationships with your existing conference, and historically reduces your chance for acceptance." -- Clif Smart, former president, Missouri State University

Source: https://sgfcitizen.org/voices-opinio...onference-usa/

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As someone who has advocated for a higher profile for NDSU's potential to move up, this makes sense. Doesn't necessarily satisfy, but it's good perspective.

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Originally Posted by SoCalBison

As someone who has advocated for a higher profile for NDSU's potential to move up, this makes sense. Doesn't necessarily satisfy, but it's good perspective.

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I’m not sure you understand his quote.

That said, MSU IS moving up, so the gist of his quote really doesn’t apply well to the very school he is referencing.

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

I’m not sure you understand his quote.

That said, MSU IS moving up, so the gist of his quote really doesn’t apply well to the very school he is referencing.

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Did MSU publicly advocate for that move in advance? Not in terms of leaks occurring, but the AD and President saying they wanted to move before the deal was done?

Most of the time, these things leak thru third parties. Cases like Sac St lobbying publicly are actually not the norm, and I do think it could work against them.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

Did MSU publicly advocate for that move in advance? Not in terms of leaks occurring, but the AD and President saying they wanted to move before the deal was done?

Most of the time, these things leak thru third parties. Cases like Sac St lobbying publicly are actually not the norm, and I do think it could work against them.

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Kind of an odd story because a) MSU announced their intentions of moving up before doing so b) when they weren’t selected the first time it wasn’t because they had loose lips it’s because they were fucking terrible in football and c) the only reason why they’re moving up now is because CUSA offered every school with a soft pulse.

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

I’m not sure you understand his quote.

That said, MSU IS moving up, so the gist of his quote really doesn’t apply well to the very school he is referencing.

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Well if you think I didn't understand his quote, you must be right and I must be just another moron with a keyboard. Thanks for the feedback.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

Did MSU publicly advocate for that move in advance? Not in terms of leaks occurring, but the AD and President saying they wanted to move before the deal was done?

Most of the time, these things leak thru third parties. Cases like Sac St lobbying publicly are actually not the norm, and I do think it could work against them.

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Yes. An entire year before CUSA invited Missouri State their president declared their FBS intents via a university scheduled interview with their equivalent of jeff kolpack.

Smart was the president in 2023 and he is the one in that quote saying don't do exactly what we did, successfully. Lol.

Eat up the slop.

The interview was published may 9th 2023. They were invited may 10th 2024.

Missouri State was maybe more tactful than sac st has been, but its still a pot and a kettle lol.

Sac st has said "we have money to go fbs".

Missouri state said "give us money so we can go fbs"

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

Did MSU publicly advocate for that move in advance? Not in terms of leaks occurring, but the AD and President saying they wanted to move before the deal was done?

Most of the time, these things leak thru third parties. Cases like Sac St lobbying publicly are actually not the norm, and I do think it could work against them.

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Their Brass has quietly but very publicly been ringing the FBS bell for the last 5+ years.

I'm not sure this has been posted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bu2Qso4B4s

One note: I'm not sure about why NDSU's FCS budget matters except that it's really healthy for an FCS program. NDSU's budget was under $5 million in D2, and NDSU ramped things up, so history shows that NDSU is pretty good at meeting new challenges.

BTW, I haven't heard much about NDSU's athletic endowment growth lately, but I believe that Matt Larson and the athletic department are doing really good work on that front.

JY
@TBM_JY
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This IS NOT imminent.

McMurphy has backtracked on, or clarified his statements regarding
@NDSUfootball
to the
@MountainWest


NO ONE knows if there have even been discussions, including him. His comments were about FIT, NOT real discussions or MWC interest.
Mostly smoke here. ��

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Originally Posted by MWC

NO ONE knows if there have even been discussions, including him. His comments were about FIT, NOT real discussions or MWC interest.
Mostly smoke here.

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That's why I don't get that too excited or too down about these things. All NDSU can control is the strength of its position. For example, by the time NDSU gets an FBS invitation, I bet every scholarship will be funded by proceeds of the athletic scholarship endowment.

Regardless, McMurphy didn't do any harm because he got people talking and thinking about going FBS.

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Originally Posted by MWC

JY
@TBM_JY
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5h
This IS NOT imminent.

McMurphy has backtracked on, or clarified his statements regarding
@NDSUfootball
to the
@MountainWest


NO ONE knows if there have even been discussions, including him. His comments were about FIT, NOT real discussions or MWC interest.
Mostly smoke here. ��

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McMurphy was just on the radio in Fargo the other day, he said the same thing exact thing he said the week prior.

It is a fluid situation for sure.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

McMurphy was just on the radio in Fargo the other day, he said the same thing exact thing he said the week prior.

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Yeah, I'm curious where this "back tracking" is. He has stated twice on two different Fargo media outlets the same thing he tweeted in the last week.

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

Yeah, I'm curious where this "back tracking" is. He has stated twice on two different Fargo media outlets the same thing he tweeted in the last week.

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He was even asked if anything had changed and his source that was within the MWC said no.

All he ever said that NDSU was being discussed, which came from his sources not himself. I don't really get that tweet unless there was some other tweet or interview from McMuprhy that I don't know about.

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

Yeah, I'm curious where this "back tracking" is. He has stated twice on two different Fargo media outlets the same thing he tweeted in the last week.

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This is a case of "Party A says that Party B said something" when there's no evidence that Party B said anything of the sort. That's one of the reasons that firsthand reports are better than secondhand interpretations.

That said, it's all just talk until NDSU receives/accepts an invitation.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

McMurphy was just on the radio in Fargo the other day, he said the same thing exact thing he said the week prior.

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He was just on Doms show on Wednesday? Nothing has changed.

Book it.....

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Originally Posted by MWC

JY
@TBM_JY
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5h
This IS NOT imminent.

McMurphy has backtracked on, or clarified his statements regarding
@NDSUfootball
to the
@MountainWest


NO ONE knows if there have even been discussions, including him. His comments were about FIT, NOT real discussions or MWC interest.
Mostly smoke here. ��

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I listened to a mcmurphy interview 3or so days ago and he did not backtrack then, where did he backtrack? Do you have a source on that one?

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Originally Posted by Twentysix

I listened to a mcmurphy interview 3or so days ago and he did not backtrack then, where did he backtrack? Do you have a source on that one?

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Guy who’s posting that is just as big of a rube as lakes lol I’ll trust the actual reporter instead

Look at the rest of his tweets. MWC just likes to come here to shit on NDSU so he had to stir the pot

If NDSU to the MWC ever does become "imminent" I'll trust McMurphy to report it over the Blue Mountain State podcast guy 100% of the time. He never said it was imminent anyway... the only people who are doing that are us wishful thinking Bisonville rubes.

I did not see the press conference, but some Bvillers mentioned Coach P had an interesting look/demeanor.

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Originally Posted by Twentysix

I listened to a mcmurphy interview 3or so days ago and he did not backtrack then, where did he backtrack? Do you have a source on that one?

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Just the Big Mountain guy who did the deep dive on NDSU posted earlier today.

I don't know McMurphy said to the guys in Fargo but if you look at his tweet he just says NDSU is a "possibility". When he said the MW was looking for one more football school, he closed with sources said. I do think NDSU has been a "possibility" all along. So is the case for several other schools.

As for the adding at least one more football school, according to sources : That is hardly a scoop. The MW has been talking to everybody.

I do believe the Big Mountain guy is likely correct that nothing is imminent. I don't think the MW will do anything until early next spring. They will be continually vetting a lot of different scenarios and that will be during the exclusive bidding period with Fox,CBS and TNT/TruTv. Those folks will be very much in the proceedings. They will tell the MW exactly what they thing every candidate is worth to them. The presidents will then weigh every thing and make a decision.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Guy who’s posting that is just as big of a rube as lakes lol I’ll trust the actual reporter instead

Look at the rest of his tweets. MWC just likes to come here to shit on NDSU so he had to stir the pot

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Actually, not true. I have a great deal of respect for NDSU and would be supportive of their addition as football only. I don't believe an all sports invitation makes much sense for you or the MW, though.

He has seemed to want other schools than NDSU(talking about the guy on twitter and not MWC), I am not going to argue with him because there isn't much to argue about until we get more news but it is dishonest to act like things have changed when literally nothing has.

McMurphy never said it imminent or that an invite was happening, just that NDSU was being considered per his sources. That is straight from his tweet and every interview he has given with local media, he even gave a timeline that no team may get added until the spring in his last interview.

Brett McMurphy
@Brett_McMurphy
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W/Northern Illinois' interest in Mountain West as football-only member "waning," FCS power North Dakota State is possibility for MW, sources told
@ActionNetworkHQ
. MW will have 8 football members in 2026, but still seeking at least 1 more, source said

https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/...=BrettMcMurphy

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Northern Illinois’ interest in joining the Mountain West as a football-only member is “waning,” so the Mountain West is now considering FCS member North Dakota State, sources told Action Network.

If NIU remains in the MAC, it also guarantees Toledo will stay in the MAC, a source said. In September, Action Network first reported the Mountain West had initiated discussions with NIU and Toledo as potential football-only members.

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https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/...=BrettMcMurphy

I do believe NDSU has been under consideration all along. Whether or not NIU and Toledo has 'waning' interest has not been confirmed by any other national reporter that I have seen. It could be true, though.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Guy who’s posting that is just as big of a rube as lakes lol I’ll trust the actual reporter instead

Look at the rest of his tweets. MWC just likes to come here to shit on NDSU so he had to stir the pot

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Of course that's why MWC comes here. He's nothing but a troll. I wish Tony would give him the deep six and get rid of him. He contributes NOTHING to getting NDSU into an FBS conference.

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Originally Posted by NDSU1980

Of course that's why MWC comes here. He's nothing but a troll. I wish Tony would give him the deep six and get rid of him. He contributes NOTHING to getting NDSU into an FBS conference.

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I agree. Throw the bum out!

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Originally Posted by NDSU1980

Of course that's why MWC comes here. He's nothing but a troll. I wish Tony would give him the deep six and get rid of him. He contributes NOTHING to getting NDSU into an FBS conference.

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So he’s exactly like every other poster here?

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Originally Posted by heffray

So he’s exactly like every other poster here?

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And I took that personally...


But yes.

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Originally Posted by MWC

I agree. Throw the bum out!

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The rest of us have a positive outlook on going FBS.

Meh, MWC isn’t any worse than any other poster it’s just some on here assume he knows more than anyone else.


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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

Meh, MWC isn’t any worse than any other poster it’s just some on here assume he knows more than anyone else.


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You mean MWC is not the Mountain West Conference? Wth I thought that was the actual conference that joined BV.....:irslow:

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Originally Posted by Bisonator98

You mean MWC is not the Mountain West Conference? Wth I thought that was the actual conference that joined BV.....:irslow:

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Can you just join Bv eh? I received an invitation and accepted. Like my Aunt Jemima’s maple syrup the pancakes were calling from da leafs eh!?!

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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos

If NDSU to the MWC ever does become "imminent" I'll trust McMurphy to report it over the Blue Mountain State podcast guy 100% of the time. He never said it was imminent anyway... the only people who are doing that are us wishful thinking Bisonville rubes.

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I agree with you, though also think McMurphy was reporting some buzz from his sources more so than knowing anything is imminent. There is probably some grains of truth to what “MWC” posts here too.

I believe we absolutely are being considered, but don’t think it will happen quickly. McMurphy himself said on Izzo it could be Spring until something gets done. I also believe there are likely other candidates, and the MW will have to reach consensus on an invite. Might not happen until after PAC makes their move, which could drag out to January. Mid to late December is the very soonest I expect us to hear any type of news or announcement.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

I agree with you, though also think McMurphy was reporting some buzz from his sources more so than knowing anything is imminent. There is probably some grains of truth to what “MWC” posts here too.

I believe we absolutely are being considered, but don’t think it will happen quickly. McMurphy himself said on Izzo it could be Spring until something gets done. I also believe there are likely other candidates, and the MW will have to reach consensus on an invite. Might not happen until after PAC makes their move, which could drag out to January. Mid to late December is the very soonest I expect us to hear any type of news or announcement.

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This is the kind of thing someone says the day before the invite is announced.

Lol

I have to concur that I absolutely don't know more than anybody else on this board. I am just trying to make sense of all of this..Just like you folks.