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You can say that now that Coastal Carolina lost, but that same reasoning could have put CC at #1, UNH at #2, and NDSU at #3 if Coastal finished undefeated.Quote:
Originally Posted by missingnumber7
Completely agree on the bus trip rule being #1 priority though.
New Hampshire's Athletic Director was on the committee. There was an article posted on AGS, he was quoted saying he thought New Hampshire deserved #1.Quote:
Whatever method it is that the selection committee is using, it still puzzles me as to why New Hampshire would be the #1 seed. There's gotta be some bias involved in that decision.
It is all he knows and he has a short memory. That is the only explanation. Since #1 matters a whole lot more come January, they can have it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison4ever56
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Pftttt....sagarin has bison by 12+ on a neutral field and 15+ if we meet on our home field either north or south...plus they are a bunch of east coast pussies who folded like a cheap tent last yearQuote:
Originally Posted by td577
I think that the Coastal loss saved the committee from making a tough decision. But I honestly don't think that they would've place CC over NDSU or UNH. And the guy they interviewed on the show did say that strength of schedule is an issue across FCS and that several teams have improved their schedules over the past 2 years. He really dodged the B-C and Idaho St questions, but I think when you look at it in the long run, I was satisfied with the answers they gave. But in the end there is only 1 thing that matters...take care of our own business and then the committee doesn't have a choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mayville Bison
And really...do you think NDSU would have a problem winning at CC if it had come to that?
Northern kids have never played in such warm weather this time of yearQuote:
Originally Posted by missingnumber7
I'd imagine something like the score of the semifinal against UNH last year. Which would probably mark the last time a 1 loss NDSU wasn't guaranteed home field advantage throughout.Quote:
Originally Posted by missingnumber7
The "cheap tent" analogy is one that every Bison tailgater can relate to, I know I can. Positive rep!Quote:
Originally Posted by westnodak93bison
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Originally Posted by BisonNation11
#buttsouthernheat. ?
Do you really think CC would make it that far? Will be interested to see how they fare against Richmond, who I think will win Saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by missingnumber7
I am still unconvinced that Richmond will beat CC given the chance. They have been up and down this year and have not faired that well against ranked teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by FFBison
I guess my point was more about the inability of CC to make a playoff run that it is about Richmond's chance to do so. I think CC is under a lot of pressure to prove their season and a team that can come in and play solid defense is going to give them trouble. Really looking forward to watching some of the games this weekend while we heal up.Quote:
Originally Posted by BisonNeil
I don't think this is Coastal's year, but I definitely respect them. Didn't even have a football team until 2003, then surprised everyone by beating Montana in the playoffs last year. In the cold. Great coach, they could be trouble in the future. I would love to see them again in the dome and maybe start an occasional long distance rivalry.
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Originally Posted by BisonNeil
How has CC fared against ranked teams?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UqRYM6PP-3...0/seent-it.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Mayville Bison
Team....................... Round 2. Quarters. Semis. Final
#1 New Hampshire ----- 76.3% 35.9% 12.4% 2.2%
Fordham ------------------- 23.7% 6.2% 0.9% 0.1%
#8 Chattanooga -------- 66.8% 39.8% 14.1% 3.5%
Indiana State ------------ 33.2% 18.1% 5.3% 1.3%
#5 Illinois State ------- 60.5% 45.4% 33.9% 13.6%
Northern Iowa ---------- 39.5% 30.9% 22.6% 9.9%
#4 Eastern Washington- 79.4% 22.0% 10.4% 1.9%
Montana ------------------- 20.6% 1.7% 0.4% 0.0%
#3 Jacksonville State -- 85.5% 67.4% 18.0% 9.0%
Sam Houston State ------- 14.5% 6.6% 0.7% 0.2%
#6 Villanova ------------- 65.3% 17.6% 2.3% 0.7%
Liberty --------------------- 34.7% 8.4% 0.9% 0.2%
#7 Coastal Carolina ----- 84.2% 10.9% 4.1% 1.5%
Richmond ----------------- 15.8% 0.7% 0.1% 0.0%
#2 North Dakota State 87.4% 80.6% 69.8% 53.7%
South Dakota State ------- 12.6% 7.8% 4.1% 2.0%
I think Richmond is undervalued and could definitely spring the upset over the beach chickens.
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thebootfitter hasn't been by, so here's the update:
Sagarin's Round 2 Predictions
Sagarin FCS Top-25Code:
Rank Team Sagarin Predict Result Diff
35 North Dakota State 77.72
85 Iowa State 64.57 +10.71 +20.00 +9.29
188 Weber State 39.82 +35.46 +17.00 -18.46
232 Incarnate Word 23.08 +57.08 +58.00 +0.92
128 Montana 54.65 +25.51 +12.00 -13.51
123 Western Illinois 56.12 +19.16 +7.00 -12.16
109 Southern Illinois 58.36 +21.80 +28.00 +6.20
91 Indiana State 63.38 +16.78 +17.00 +0.22
172 South Dakota 44.50 +30.78 +40.00 +9.22
70 South Dakota State 67.27 +12.89 +20.00 +7.11
55 Northern Iowa 72.01 +3.27 -20.00 -23.27
122 Missouri State 56.15 +19.13 +35.00 +15.87
108 Youngstown State 58.40 +21.76 +24.00 +2.24
60 Illinois State 70.55
70 South Dakota State 67.27 +12.89
133 Richmond 53.32 +26.84
96 Coastal Carolina 61.84 +18.32
Total Diff: -16.33
Home Field 2.44
Sagarin Conference RankingCode:
Rank SagRank RATING Team SOS SOSRank Conference
1 35 77.72 North Dakota State 56.09 129 Missouri Valley
2 55 72.01 Northern Iowa 58.35 113 Missouri Valley
3 60 70.55 Illinois State 53.63 139 Missouri Valley
4 70 67.27 South Dakota State 59.99 106 Missouri Valley
5 71 67.26 Jacksonville State 46.69 169 Ohio Valley
6 87 64.18 Chattanooga 47.45 163 Southern
7 91 63.38 Indiana State 60.71 101 Missouri Valley
8 96 61.84 Coastal Carolina 41.66 194 Big South
9 98 60.68 Eastern Washington 47.03 167 Big Sky
10 100 60.49 New Hampshire 41.71 192 Colonial
11 104 58.97 Villanova 42.69 189 Colonial
12 105 58.77 SE Louisiana 42.48 190 Southland
13 106 58.70 Liberty 51.22 143 Big South
14 108 58.40 Youngstown State 55.87 130 Missouri Valley
15 109 58.36 Southern Illinois 60.26 103 Missouri Valley
16 112 58.02 Sam Houston State 46.76 168 Southland
17 113 57.89 Harvard 32.70 227 Ivy League
18 118 56.75 Samford 52.71 140 Southern
19 119 56.23 Idaho State 49.58 153 Big Sky
20 122 56.15 Missouri State 61.20 95 Missouri Valley
21 123 56.12 Western Illinois 62.84 84 Missouri Valley
22 124 55.88 Fordham 36.19 219 Patriot
23 128 54.65 Montana 45.52 173 Big Sky
24 133 53.32 Richmond 43.88 183 Colonial
25 134 53.13 Eastern Illinois 50.24 149 Ohio Valley
Code:
ConfCat Conference CentralMean ConfMax NDSU Rank
P5 SEC 86.93 99.04 12
P5 BIG 12 79.27 95.65 6
P5 PAC-12 78.80 93.88 8
P5 ACC 74.45 86.04 5
P5 BIG TEN 74.37 90.66 6
NA I-A INDEPENDENTS 67.49 77.24 1
G5 MWC 63.73 78.10 2
FCS MISSOURI VALLEY 62.33 77.72 1
G5 CONFERENCE USA 60.16 78.43 2
G5 AMERICAN ATHLETIC 60.13 75.16 1
G5 SUN BELT 55.49 68.74 1
G5 MAC 55.01 66.24 1
FCS BIG SOUTH 48.87 61.84 1
FCS SOUTHERN 46.20 64.18 1
FCS BIG SKY 44.31 60.68 1
FCS OHIO VALLEY 43.81 67.26 1
FCS COLONIAL 43.67 60.49 1
FCS SOUTHLAND 43.55 58.77 1
FCS PATRIOT 38.96 55.88 1
FCS I-AA INDEPENDENTS 38.72 38.72 1
FCS NORTHEAST 37.83 47.68 1
FCS IVY LEAGUE 33.73 57.89 1
FCS MID-EASTERN 31.08 44.36 1
FCS SWAC 25.83 45.28 1
FCS PIONEER 17.76 36.88 1
LOL @ Big Fluffy /obligatory
Sure am glad to see the top 4 teams in the country playing each other in the second round of the playoffs.
Sounds like the good ol' days of the NCC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bisonwinagn
On one hand, this is really shitty. On the other, it gives NDSU an easier path to the title as one other of the best teams will be gone. While I agree it is Mickey Mouse quality stuff, it ends up being okay for NDSU. We all know the MVFC is basically playing for the national title this year with maybe EWU being a thread if Vernon lights it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebootfitter
After beating SDSU, the Bison fall 5 spots to #40 on Sagarin...after losing to the Bison, SDSU also falls 5 spots to #75.
Among the MVFC teams, Illinois State moves up one to #59, and UNI falls six to #61. Despite MVFC being down to two remaining teams, MVFC has the top four FCS teams in Sagarin.
Coastal Carolina moved up five to #91 after yesterday. Bison are 15 point favorites heading into the quarterfinals.
D2 was different. In D2, the MVFC would only get two teams in, and they'd either play non-conference teams on the road or they'd play each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebootfitter
Sagarin's Round 3 Predictions
Sagarin FCS Top-25Code:
Rank Team Sagarin Predict Result Diff
40 North Dakota State 76.21
90 Iowa State 63.29 +10.49 +20.00 +9.51
188 Weber State 40.11 +33.67 +17.00 -16.67
233 Incarnate Word 23.05 +55.59 +58.00 +2.41
129 Montana 53.97 +24.67 +12.00 -12.67
126 Western Illinois 54.78 +19.00 +7.00 -12.00
110 Southern Illinois 57.91 +20.73 +28.00 +7.27
99 Indiana State 61.41 +17.23 +17.00 -0.23
172 South Dakota 44.22 +29.56 +40.00 +10.44
75 South Dakota State 66.71 +11.93 +20.00 +8.07
61 Northern Iowa 70.34 +3.44 -20.00 -23.44
119 Missouri State 56.56 +17.22 +35.00 +17.78
112 Youngstown State 57.62 +21.02 +24.00 +2.98
59 Illinois State 71.55
75 South Dakota State 66.71 +11.93 +3.00 -8.93
91 Coastal Carolina 63.24 +15.40
100 Sam Houston State 61.29 +17.35
104 Villanova 59.92 +18.72
Total Diff: -15.48
Home Field 2.43
Sagarin Conference RankingCode:
Rank SagRank RATING Team SOS SOSRank Conference
1 40 76.21 North Dakota State 56.18 131 Missouri Valley
2 59 71.55 Illinois State 54.42 138 Missouri Valley
3 61 70.34 Northern Iowa 59.15 110 Missouri Valley
4 75 66.71 South Dakota State 61.17 97 Missouri Valley
5 76 66.67 Chattanooga 48.86 159 Southern
6 91 63.24 Coastal Carolina 42.48 191 Big South
7 94 62.48 Jacksonville State 47.37 169 Ohio Valley
8 96 62.20 Eastern Washington 47.89 165 Big Sky
9 97 62.16 New Hampshire 42.32 192 Colonial
10 99 61.41 Indiana State 60.81 102 Missouri Valley
11 100 61.29 Sam Houston State 49.04 157 Southland
12 104 59.92 Villanova 43.42 186 Colonial
13 106 59.18 SE Louisiana 42.69 189 Southland
14 109 58.05 Samford 54.02 140 Southern
15 110 57.91 Southern Illinois 59.46 108 Missouri Valley
16 111 57.76 Liberty 51.96 142 Big South
17 112 57.62 Youngstown State 55.24 134 Missouri Valley
18 117 56.76 Harvard 32.05 228 Ivy League
19 118 56.60 Idaho State 49.92 149 Big Sky
20 119 56.56 Missouri State 60.98 99 Missouri Valley
21 126 54.78 Western Illinois 61.95 90 Missouri Valley
22 127 54.34 Fordham 37.30 213 Patriot
23 129 53.97 Montana 47.25 170 Big Sky
24 134 52.65 Charleston Southern 47.99 164 Big South
25 135 52.62 Eastern Illinois 49.18 155 Ohio Valley
Code:
ConfCat Conference CMean ConfMax NDSU Rank
P5 SEC 86.62 100.49 13
P5 BIG 12 79.38 97.24 7
P5 PAC-12 78.43 96.43 9
P5 ACC 74.42 86.20 6
P5 BIG TEN 74.01 96.05 6
NA I-A INDEPENDENTS 67.72 77.38 2
G5 MWC 63.49 77.87 2
FCS MISSOURI VALLEY 61.59 76.21 1
G5 AMERICAN ATHLETIC 60.41 74.94 1
G5 CONFERENCE USA 60.25 78.47 2
G5 SUN BELT 55.64 68.70 1
G5 MAC 54.69 68.05 1
FCS BIG SOUTH 48.71 63.24 1
FCS SOUTHERN 47.25 66.67 1
FCS BIG SKY 44.52 62.20 1
FCS SOUTHLAND 44.30 61.29 1
FCS COLONIAL 43.39 62.16 1
FCS OHIO VALLEY 42.63 62.48 1
FCS I-AA INDEPENDENTS 39.07 39.07 1
FCS PATRIOT 38.31 54.34 1
FCS NORTHEAST 37.15 47.07 1
FCS IVY LEAGUE 33.05 56.76 1
FCS MID-EASTERN 31.03 44.47 1
FCS SWAC 26.00 45.78 1
FCS PIONEER 17.02 36.18 1
Tony is correct. Comparisons to D2 regionalization are apples and oranges. The SELECTION was regional in D2. In the FCS, the selection is NOT regional. Only the bracketing is affected. The difference is huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebootfitter
My point was simply that many of the top teams in the country then were in our conference, just as today. I may not have made the point very clearly, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernBison
I quoted you simply because of the reference to D2. Your point is valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebootfitter
Kolpack wrote a story last week that bugged me. I hope he's smart enough to know the difference and accept the reasons why the NCAA regionalizes the initial brackets for FCS. One look at the attendance shows why.
End of drift.
Team...................... Quarters. Semis. Final
#1 New Hampshire ---- 43.9% 16.9% 3.8%
#8 Chattanooga -------- 56.1% 21.0% 6.8%
#5 Illinois State ------- 69.6% 48.9% 21.9%
#4 Eastern Washington 30.4% 13.2% 3.0%
Sam Houston State ----- 46.9% 6.3% 2.1%
#6 Villanova ------------ 53.1% 7.1% 2.1%
#7 Coastal Carolina ---- 12.8% 7.3% 2.7%
#2 North Dakota State 87.2% 79.3% 57.6%
Looking forward to getting home after the ndsu game and watching the isu ewu game. That's quite the tilt for a seeded road team
agreed....Quote:
Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10
If I can find a bar in Cheney or Spokane to watch the Bison game from (shouldn't be an issue), then I may get to catch the red carpet in person.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10
Would be fun to see the MVFC kick some Big Sky butt.
Team...................... Semis. Final
#1 New Hampshire ---- 35.9% 9.2%
#5 Illinois State ------- 64.1% 28.9%
Sam Houston State ----- 13.4% 4.3%
#2 North Dakota State 86.6% 57.5%
Sagarin's Round 4 Predictions
Sagarin FCS Top-25Code:
Rank Team Sagarin Predict Result Diff
36 North Dakota State 76.81
97 Iowa State 62.59 +11.57 +20.00 +8.43
193 Weber State 41.37 +32.79 +17.00 -15.79
233 Incarnate Word 25.05 +54.41 +58.00 +3.59
128 Montana 55.25 +24.21 +12.00 -12.21
123 Western Illinois 55.99 +18.17 +7.00 -11.17
110 Southern Illinois 59.41 +20.05 +28.00 +7.95
96 Indiana State 62.65 +16.81 +17.00 +0.19
178 South Dakota 45.18 +28.98 +40.00 +11.02
70 South Dakota State 67.64 +11.82 +20.00 +8.18
60 Northern Iowa 71.39 +2.77 -20.00 -22.77
115 Missouri State 57.64 +16.52 +35.00 +18.48
111 Youngstown State 58.82 +20.64 +24.00 +3.36
49 Illinois State 73.57
70 South Dakota State 67.64 +11.82 +3.00 -8.82
73 Coastal Carolina 66.67 +12.79 +7.00 -5.79
90 Sam Houston State 64.48 +14.98
83 New Hampshire 66.05 +10.76
49 Illinois State 73.57 +3.24
Total Diff: -15.35
Home Field 2.65
Sagarin Conference RankingCode:
Rank SagRank RATING Team SOS SOSRank Conference
1 36 76.81 North Dakota State 57.78 124 Missouri Valley
2 49 73.57 Illinois State 56.61 132 Missouri Valley
3 60 71.39 Northern Iowa 60.25 107 Missouri Valley
4 70 67.64 South Dakota State 62.33 89 Missouri Valley
5 71 67.36 Chattanooga 52.19 148 Southern
6 73 66.67 Coastal Carolina 46.82 181 Big South
7 83 66.05 New Hampshire 46.83 180 Colonial
8 87 64.68 Jacksonville State 49.32 170 Ohio Valley
9 90 64.48 Sam Houston State 52.29 146 Southland
10 93 63.06 Eastern Washington 50.70 159 Big Sky
11 96 62.65 Indiana State 62.08 94 Missouri Valley
12 101 61.64 SE Louisiana 44.76 192 Southland
13 103 61.40 Villanova 47.61 175 Colonial
14 105 60.78 Harvard 36.17 227 Ivy League
15 106 60.44 Liberty 54.30 141 Big South
16 108 60.23 Samford 55.78 135 Southern
17 110 59.41 Southern Illinois 60.66 105 Missouri Valley
18 111 58.82 Youngstown State 56.54 133 Missouri Valley
19 114 58.16 Fordham 40.83 211 Patriot
20 115 57.64 Missouri State 62.28 91 Missouri Valley
21 116 57.55 Idaho State 50.95 156 Big Sky
22 123 55.99 Western Illinois 63.04 86 Missouri Valley
23 128 55.25 Montana 48.34 173 Big Sky
24 129 55.03 Richmond 48.56 172 Colonial
25 130 54.83 Charleston Southern 50.43 163 Big South
Code:
ConfCat Conference CMean ConfMax NDSU Rank
P5 SEC 86.21 100.21 12
P5 BIG 12 78.78 96.92 6
P5 PAC-12 77.70 95.70 8
P5 ACC 74.37 86.00 5
P5 BIG TEN 73.75 95.93 6
NA I-A INDEPENDENTS 67.66 76.97 2
G5 MWC 63.21 77.68 2
FCS MISSOURI VALLEY 62.81 76.81 1
G5 AMERICAN ATHLETIC 60.67 75.34 1
G5 CONFERENCE USA 60.51 79.26 2
G5 SUN BELT 55.93 69.08 1
G5 MAC 55.38 68.70 1
FCS BIG SOUTH 51.19 66.67 1
FCS SOUTHERN 49.33 67.36 1
FCS SOUTHLAND 46.44 64.48 1
FCS COLONIAL 46.25 66.05 1
FCS BIG SKY 45.67 63.06 1
FCS OHIO VALLEY 44.50 64.68 1
FCS I-AA INDEPENDENTS 42.49 42.49 1
FCS PATRIOT 42.09 58.16 1
FCS NORTHEAST 40.53 50.62 1
FCS IVY LEAGUE 37.28 60.78 1
FCS MID-EASTERN 34.03 47.81 1
FCS SWAC 29.51 48.76 1
FCS PIONEER 21.48 40.84 1
Southland and Colonial should be ahead of Big Fluffy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammersmith
LOL@Big Fluffy.
Impressive that the MFVC has the top 4 spots and 9 in the top 25 and 8 in the top 20.
Red Birds have a new offensive weapon Marshan Coprich that changes the odds significantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
Wait, what? A new weapon? He's been there all year...I don't follow...Quote:
Originally Posted by GOBISON123
Oops. Forgot to re-sort the conference list. Fixing original post now.
I'm going to try to include a macro in the Excel file that does the sort automatically. If I get that to work, I'll let you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammersmith
Really what would be cool is to employ a screen scraper to pull the data directly from Sagarin's site and then automate all of the formulas against that data pull. Just not sure I have enough komputer skilz to figure that out beginning to end.
Thanks for sticking with it, Hammer!