A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by NorthernBison

Making a public announcement has two immediate impacts.

First of all, it invites the powers in Bismarck to crawl up the ass of the Administration with the intent to scrutinize and deny any extra funding the University might ask for. For ANYTHING. The reasoning? If you are that flush with cash, don't come knocking on our door.

The second effect is to further destabilize the Summit. Sort of like burning the lifeboats.

So yeah, a public announcement could hurt.

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Ding, ding.

Big 12 :)

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Originally Posted by pucknut9

So lakes needs a messenger boy now? Why the hell can't he do it?

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I cant post, Freedom of Speech or something don't apply here

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

Hey I'm just the messenger. Refer questions to el chapo.

IMO, it can't hurt to make a public announcement IF the school is interested. Maybe it could though idk

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And a public announcement to whom? Only FBS conferences that have a semi close footprint are MWC, MAC, Big Ten. MWC likely has indicated strongly in conversations what intentions are. MAC we might as well stay FCS as we'll be just as irrelevant there as we are here, Big Ten - never. So all we do is irritate our conference mates in the MVFC/Summit league.

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

Well from what I hear from people on the forums... NDSU couldn't possibly get shafted any worse than they already do so seems like a no lose situation.

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First of all, don't believe everything you read or hear. Second, no matter how bad things seem, they can get infinitely worse (true of life in general). Third, very few "No lose" situations exist. You might remember the minor furor raised by the President's comment about AAU as a goal. Words mean something, especially when they come from the President of the University. I think that any specific comment from him about a move would indicate that a deal was already done. The reason for that is because, IMO, while the decision on a move CAN be made by the President, the authority probably isn't absolute and you don't open that discussion unless you have something real to decide.

2.3 million? Let's leave fantasyland for a second and look at the actual numbers. These were reported by the Coloradoan. I have no idea why the money is distributed the way it it, but best case scenario NDSU would receive less than a million for football. As of 2013, the conference was getting about 2 million/year in basketball, or a whopping $167,000/team. Best case scenario, NDSU would receive slightly over a million from the conference in basketball and football payouts combined.

Boise State: $1.6 million
Nevada: $880,000
San Diego State: $880,000
Wyoming: $880,000
Fresno State: $680,000
Utah State: $680,000
AirForce: $580,000
UNLV: $380,000
CSU: $80,000
New Mexico: $80,000
San Jose State: $80,000

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

So now your lakes bitch?

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lakes gave me a negative rep ( only guy to give neg rep to me ) because I asked about his messenger boy. Of course he isn't allowed to post so that tells you everything you need to know about him. Pretty sad one is not allowed to post on his favorite college team's fan site.:facepalm:

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Originally Posted by pucknut9

lakes gave me a negative rep ( only guy to give neg rep me ) because I asked about his messenger boy. Of course he isn't allowed to post so that tells you everything you need to know about him. Pretty sad one is allowed to post on his favorite college team's fan site.:facepalm:

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Did they ban him on Gopherhole?

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Originally Posted by NorthernBison

Did they ban him on Gopherhole?

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:rofl:Green chicklets for you sir. Well played.

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Originally Posted by pucknut9

lakes gave me a negative rep ( only guy to give neg rep to me ) because I asked about his messenger boy. Of course he isn't allowed to post so that tells you everything you need to know about him. Pretty sad one is allowed to post on his favorite college team's fan site.:facepalm:

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Scottie must have left him alone. Not doing your job there Hottie!

There are numbers that suggest many of the lower tier bowls have better viewership tgat the FCS championship game. I wonder what would happen if the NCAA simply made our game a "bowl"? Sell a sponsorship, which would likely get ESPN to advertise a bit more...

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Originally Posted by JMB

There are numbers that suggest many of the lower tier bowls have better viewership tgat the FCS championship game. I wonder what would happen if the NCAA simply made our game a "bowl"? Sell a sponsorship, which would likely get ESPN to advertise a bit more...

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I can see it now--The Peterson Farms Seed Bowl.

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Originally Posted by JMB

There are numbers that suggest many of the lower tier bowls have better viewership tgat the FCS championship game. I wonder what would happen if the NCAA simply made our game a "bowl"? Sell a sponsorship, which would likely get ESPN to advertise a bit more...

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You might be onto something but espn's idea is you are supposed to move up when you get to where we are and then there will be bowl games.

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Originally Posted by perthbison

You might be onto something but espn's idea is you are supposed to move up when you get to where we are and then there will be bowl games.

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Not exactly. See "Celebration Bowl". :)

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Originally Posted by Bisonator98

Not exactly. See "Celebration Bowl". :)

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Honestly that was one of the bowls that crossed my mind. Although it was in front of a relatively empty stadium, I think it had some pretty good ratings. Plus lets be honest, a good portion of people watching those games are just looking for a game to watch. Many of them have very little idea nor care if those teams are FBS or FCS.

ok Naysayers, putting aside your OBVIOUS BIAS AGAINST GOING FBS..... Answer me this:


HOW BIG COULD NDSU GET? seriously, tell me, I'm all ears..




NDSU could be much bigger than where we are at now, if we took the Mountain West by storm , we'd make a huge story nationally on ESPN.
Craig Thompson the commissioner graduated from the U of Minnesota, he would invite us if NDSU admin make a huge push persuading them!

Get into the MWC somehow, hell offer to pay travel vouchers, dominate that league for 4-5 years while building an on campus (practice fields) 45,000 seat stadium for $150 Million. Control all revenue from it, ads, sponsors, suites, etc. *pay fargodome for parking lots like we do now*
Find 4 big sponsors for $1 million year for 25 years.

Lets do this!

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

ok Naysayers, putting aside your OBVIOUS BIAS AGAINST GOING FBS..... Answer me this:


HOW BIG COULD NDSU GET? seriously, tell me, I'm all ears

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Big. I'm talking, like, Ball State BIG.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

ok Naysayers, putting aside your OBVIOUS BIAS AGAINST GOING FBS..... Answer me this:


HOW BIG COULD NDSU GET? seriously, tell me, I'm all ears

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Big 12 big

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

I cant post, Freedom of Speech or something don't apply here

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You are correct.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

ok Naysayers, putting aside your OBVIOUS BIAS AGAINST GOING FBS..... Answer me this:


HOW BIG COULD NDSU GET? seriously, tell me, I'm all ears..




NDSU could be much bigger than where we are at now, if we took the Mountain West by storm , we'd make a huge story nationally on ESPN.
Craig Thompson the commissioner graduated from the U of Minnesota, he would invite us if NDSU admin make a huge push persuading them!

Get into the MWC somehow, hell offer to pay travel vouchers, dominate that league for 4-5 years while building an on campus (practice fields) 45,000 seat stadium for $150 Million. Control all revenue from it, ads, sponsors, suites, etc. *pay fargodome for parking lots like we do now*
Find 4 big sponsors for $1 million year for 25 years.

Lets do this!

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Quit thinking so small.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

ok Naysayers, putting aside your OBVIOUS BIAS AGAINST GOING FBS..... Answer me this:


HOW BIG COULD NDSU GET? seriously, tell me, I'm all ears..




NDSU could be much bigger than where we are at now, if we took the Mountain West by storm , we'd make a huge story nationally on ESPN.
Craig Thompson the commissioner graduated from the U of Minnesota, he would invite us if NDSU admin make a huge push persuading them!

Get into the MWC somehow, hell offer to pay travel vouchers, dominate that league for 4-5 years while building an on campus (practice fields) 45,000 seat stadium for $150 Million. Control all revenue from it, ads, sponsors, suites, etc. *pay fargodome for parking lots like we do now*
Find 4 big sponsors for $1 million year for 25 years.

Lets do this!

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Preach. I'm in.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

ok Naysayers, putting aside your OBVIOUS BIAS AGAINST GOING FBS..... Answer me this:


HOW BIG COULD NDSU GET? seriously, tell me, I'm all ears..




NDSU could be much bigger than where we are at now, if we took the Mountain West by storm , we'd make a huge story nationally on ESPN.
Craig Thompson the commissioner graduated from the U of Minnesota, he would invite us if NDSU admin make a huge push persuading them!

Get into the MWC somehow, hell offer to pay travel vouchers, dominate that league for 4-5 years while building an on campus (practice fields) 45,000 seat stadium for $150 Million. Control all revenue from it, ads, sponsors, suites, etc. *pay fargodome for parking lots like we do now*
Find 4 big sponsors for $1 million year for 25 years.

Lets do this!

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Problem is your never all ears do yours even work buddy your great at flapping your gums but I think you flapped them so much your ears are full of saliva

I'm confused---how can someone complain that they can't post and yet they keep on posting?

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Originally Posted by BisonVet

I'm confused---how can someone complain that they can't post and yet they keep on posting?

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under moderators approval

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Originally Posted by tjbison

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That's hilarious.

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Originally Posted by tjbison

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I know, I should have made myself clearer---in spite of complaints of being silenced the message is coming through loud and clear.

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Originally Posted by tjbison

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Oh, is that what I am supposed to do? My bad.

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Originally Posted by BisonVet

I know, I should have made myself clearer---in spite of complaints of being silenced the message is coming through loud and clear.

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then let me post live! start a petition people!! Carpe Diem! LA Viva la revolution!

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Find 4 big sponsors for $1 million year for 25 years.

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Let us know when you have done this and we can get started...............in 25 years. :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Bisonator98

Let us know when you have done this and we can get started...............in 25 years. :rofl:

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ah you can laugh at yourself.

Scheels commits to $25 million. (pays it at $1 million year for 25 years) this is how big projects get done there skippy.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

ok Naysayers, putting aside your OBVIOUS BIAS AGAINST GOING FBS..... Answer me this:


HOW BIG COULD NDSU GET? seriously, tell me, I'm all ears..





NDSU could be much bigger than where we are at now, if we took the Mountain West by storm , we'd make a huge story nationally on ESPN.
Craig Thompson the commissioner graduated from the U of Minnesota, he would invite us if NDSU admin make a huge push persuading them!

Get into the MWC somehow, hell offer to pay travel vouchers, dominate that league for 4-5 years while building an on campus (practice fields) 45,000 seat stadium for $150 Million. Control all revenue from it, ads, sponsors, suites, etc. *pay fargodome for parking lots like we do now*
Find 4 big sponsors for $1 million year for 25 years.

Lets do this!

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You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension: a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas; you've just crossed over into the Twilight Zone.[17]

I wonder if this is something that could gain some traction and if it did, would it be the reason the P5 breaks away from the NCAA. He doesn't mention that in the article, but it would make for a good reason to just start their own association and create their own rules. I didn't know where else to put this and didn't want to start a new thread.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bdavidri.../#63a616d11e9a

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Originally Posted by td577

I wonder if this is something that could gain some traction and if it did, would it be the reason the P5 breaks away from the NCAA. He doesn't mention that in the article, but it would make for a good reason to just start their own association and create their own rules. I didn't know where else to put this and didn't want to start a new thread.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bdavidri.../#63a616d11e9a

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Many school already have higher eligibility standards than the NCAA. When I was recruited they also had a different standard for athletes. So it looks like they are think of going back to that. Which I dont see as a problem because you still have to meet the NCAA rules of meeting certain levels of courses towards your degree-graduation.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Many school already have higher eligibility standards than the NCAA. When I was recruited they also had a different standard for athletes. So it looks like they are think of going back to that. Which I dont see as a problem because you still have to meet the NCAA rules of meeting certain levels of courses towards your degree-graduation.

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The two things I gathered from the article is: 1. Regardless if a school has a higher eligibility standard, the NCAA is still establishing the acceptance standard across the board. Especially with their newer academic redshirt track, the NCAA shouldn't have any say in who or how an institution accepts students and should only evaluate on the back end if they are meeting GPA requirements when they are eligible. 2. This kind of sounds like a guy like John Crockett, if he would have been a few years younger, would have had 4 years of eligibility with an academic redshirt year if NDSU could have had the freedom to admit him under their own standards and helped him catch up from within.

The author brings up a couple of good points with mainly saying the clearinghouse is a waste of time and money if you are allowing the academic redshirt year anyways. The onus is on the school and opening up the grade books would be a better measure rather than this redundant organization who is wasting time 99% of time when the 1% is being self-reported and managed by the schools themselves. If the system is corrupt, it will be corrupt and the clearinghouse isn't preventing it while having the emphasis on the backend would catch it faster.

I am just wondering if the schools themselves think this is another layer where they are sharing the pot with the NCAA and it is wasteful because it isn't all that effective over the course of a student/athletes college lifespan (it is effective over the long haul when there is institutional failure, but it is still slow), it sets the standard for all of them whether it is congruent with their academic goals or not, and is redundant with the compliance checks within the institutions. This guy is just writing an article about what he thinks about the current system. I don't think it is a manifesto for acceptance challenges by member institutions, but how much of this has been already considered by larger schools outside the Big 12? Is it just another limitation? Who needs who more? DOes the P5 schools need the NCAA or is it the other way around? Does there become a full blown game of chicken or is it already happening and these are the small volleys?

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Originally Posted by td577

The two things I gathered from the article is: 1. Regardless if a school has a higher eligibility standard, the NCAA is still establishing the acceptance standard across the board. Especially with their newer academic redshirt track, the NCAA shouldn't have any say in who or how an institution accepts students and should only evaluate on the back end if they are meeting GPA requirements when they are eligible. 2. This kind of sounds like a guy like John Crockett, if he would have been a few years younger, would have had 4 years of eligibility with an academic redshirt year if NDSU could have had the freedom to admit him under their own standards and helped him catch up from within.



The author brings up a couple of good points with mainly saying the clearinghouse is a waste of time and money if you are allowing the academic redshirt year anyways. The onus is on the school and opening up the grade books would be a better measure rather than this redundant organization who is wasting time 99% of time when the 1% is being self-reported and managed by the schools themselves. If the system is corrupt, it will be corrupt and the clearinghouse isn't preventing it while having the emphasis on the backend would catch it faster.

I am just wondering if the schools themselves think this is another layer where they are sharing the pot with the NCAA and it is wasteful because it isn't all that effective over the course of a student/athletes college lifespan (it is effective over the long haul when there is institutional failure, but it is still slow), it sets the standard for all of them whether it is congruent with their academic goals or not, and is redundant with the compliance checks within the institutions. This guy is just writing an article about what he thinks about the current system. I don't think it is a manifesto for acceptance challenges by member institutions, but how much of this has been already considered by larger schools outside the Big 12? Is it just another limitation? Who needs who more? DOes the P5 schools need the NCAA or is it the other way around? Does there become a full blown game of chicken or is it already happening and these are the small volleys?

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The NCAA can set what ever standard they want. But if the recruit doesnt meet the schools standard they dont get accepted. Or am I misinterpreting your post?

I think the P5 needs the 2a so they dont have to come up with their own organization to administer them. May be further down the line if they truly break away completely then they will have deal with taking care of themselves.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

The NCAA can set what ever standard they want. But if the recruit doesnt meet the schools standard they dont get accepted. Or am I misinterpreting your post?

I think the P5 needs the 2a so they dont have to come up with their own organization to administer them. May be further down the line if they truly break away completely then they will have deal with taking care of themselves.

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If a recruit doesn't meet the ncaa standard a school can't accept him no matter what even though the ncaa now has the academic redshirt track for student/athletes who are in the non-qualified category. It ends up being that a school can't even take a recruit in and use that category if they don't meet the ncaa standards. It ends up being that regardless of the schools requirements for admission because the ncaa sets the standard. In the end, the school is on the hook anyways, so why administrate another level? That is what I am getting from the article. The schools should be able to take who they want and if they aren't meeting standards when they are playing, because the system will be transparent, the problem becomes automatically flagged immediately. Now the system is set up where the ncaa thinks they are being proactive but in reality wasting resources because the problems don't surface until months or years later because data isn't submitted until well after the fact.

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Originally Posted by td577

If a recruit doesn't meet the ncaa standard a school can't accept him no matter what even though the ncaa now has the academic redshirt track for student/athletes who are in the non-qualified category. It ends up being that a school can't even take a recruit in and use that category if they don't meet the ncaa standards. It ends up being that regardless of the schools requirements for admission because the ncaa sets the standard. In the end, the school is on the hook anyways, so why administrate another level? That is what I am getting from the article. The schools should be able to take who they want and if they aren't meeting standards when they are playing, because the system will be transparent, the problem becomes automatically flagged immediately. Now the system is set up where the ncaa thinks they are being proactive but in reality wasting resources because the problems don't surface until months or years later because data isn't submitted until well after the fact.

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I see what you are saying. But if the NCAA standard is below the schools standard hes not going to school there. Thats all Im saying.

Complacency & Malaise has set in with NDSU football.

Winning 5 straight has become repetitive and fans are getting bored.

I see it on social media everyday. NDSU needs to recognize this & be proactive NOW

What do u people want 17 straight titles? The time is now for a full court press by ndsu admin

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

Here we go, off to the Big 12! It's a jubilee year!!

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Originally Posted by runtheoption

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

Here we go, off to the Big 12! It's a jubilee year!!

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Im In. Call them Dean & MATT!! (they wont even call mountain west)