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If Notre Dame joins... Big if... They'll probably go to the ACC. They'll go to whatever conference they want though. We'll see. Notre Dame has some really bad blood with Michigan so I don't see the B1G happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by td577
Would be great to see NDSU get in with the Mountain West though.
Agree. Notre Dame would go to the ACC if they were to join a conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
I would agree, as well, if the ACC didn't already have 14 schools. Now the next scenario of 16 schools each would be really nice because it give every conference two 8 school divisions with 7 division games, 3 OOC games, and a couple OOD inter-conference games. It also really breaks up the AAC and CUSA as it would start adding Memphis, Tulane, Marshall and some MW schools like Fresno and Nevada to the mix. The bonus to approaching 80 schools in the top tier is schools like NDSU start making more sense to add to the discussion. In the 80 school scenario, that locks down the top tier as not playing football with the second tier. They wouldn't share with anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
Wouldn't there be a pretty good chance NDSU would never make 1st tier in that 80 team scenario. The thought of never being able to play those teams doesn't thrill me so muchQuote:
Originally Posted by td577
I thing the True Cost of Attendance thing will really start accelerating some change. It will especially cause issues in the FCS where you will have a few that will do it but the majority won't be able to afford it. Since the entire point of the divisions is to provide a (somewhat) level playing field that will cause some action.
It would depend on what model someone wants to use to determine 80 schools. Right now game attendance for NDSU would be around 100 of all D1 schools and that is limited at the moment by the size of the stadium. The FM TV market is sitting at 116. The adjacent markets like Bismarck is 142 and Sioux Falls is 112. Combined it starts looking like the San Antonio market which is at 36. That isn't including much of outstate MN. All the computer rankings put NDSU at 33 for the past 5 years and 67 for the past 10 years. Academically, NDSU certainly stands on its own with its Carnegie Commission rankings in a very objective ranking system and not too bad in other subjective reports. The FM area is projected to hit a half million people in the next 15 years. If the state were to publicly back a move, there is money to make it happen. In other sports, NDSU has proven competitiveness.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZHerd
So depending on what model and how anyone wants to look at NDSU as being a long term asset as being in their tier of athletics, especially football, we are at the very least a fringe school that should seriously be considered as a top 80 program. As far as jumping a dozen G5 schools, that would be the rub. So probably the best scenario is still the P5 model with 14 schools in each conference and they open up play to the second tier. I think there would be enough movement that NDSU is a shoe in for the second tier where they would certainly be competitive and still get games against the P5 schools. The 80 school model is only attractive if NDSU is considered an option and I don't know if ESPN can make that happen.
ESPN article has NDSU a possible fit in Big 12--down the road. However, the big problem is the stadium. IF it is 80 elite teams vs. "have nots," we cannot be a viable option in the top 80 until or unless a 30,000 to 35,000 seat (minimum) stadium is built. Per the Forum's article today, Fargo's population growth (and the metro) continues to meet or exceed projections.
Clearly, NDSU is not ready to be one of the "top 80" right now. However, factors would appear to indicate that NDSU would have the chance to in the next ten or 15 years. The problem is that there does not appear to be realistic chance of a new stadium being built in the next decade or so. Don't get me wrong, the Fargodome is clearly suffice for the Mountain West, Sun Belt, etc. But if there is gong to be a split, the elite conferences are going to require a much larger stadium.
Of course, critics are going to say that Fargo could never sell out or get 90% + capacity in a 30,000 to 35,000 stadium. I disagree. In 2020, the Fargo Metro area will be at 250,000. That is 100,000 more than when the FargoDome opened.
CCU is now FBS.
NDSU/Montana SHOULD BE IN THE MOUNTAIN WEST! If their presidents were watching ESPN sat, why would they say NO?
Revenue wise, you tell me: MWC attendance was DOWN 14% in 2014 http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... yearsMajor
would MWC like full houses of 6 games at 28,000 & 20,000 for 300,000 total for Montana/NDSU?
Instead of UNLV San Jose with 6 games at 15,000/game? for 180,000 total?
at $40/ticket thats' almost $5 Million in revenue!!
TV wise, NDSU has shown it gets ratings in Minneapolis market & Montana gets some colorado/wyoming/western states.... PLUS the share & % of actual people viewing the games are much higher than CSU/Air Force or San Jose in Denver/San Fran, thats a FACT!
NDSU & Montana Presidents should gather & put together a formal proposal asking for invitation!
I know this is the only thread tony wants me to post about FBS. so here goes.
as seen today, FCS = D2 period, end of story. its the exact same thing we all wanted to leave D2 for, so why wont you all wake up and get on board the move up ?
I mean seriously, this was a joke, the entire FCS is full of POOR's. watch the attendences next week other than montana it'll be pathetic.
NDSU & Montana should put together a package to solicit the Mountain West!
Serious discussion time. Not going FBS is hurting recruiting!
lost 2 COMMITS to U of Minnesota & Iowa Staate
Lost at least 10 offerees to FBS schools like Wyoming, mac schools and eastern Kentucky just today.
NDSU is basically subsidizing the Fcs with $300k/playoff game plus 15,000 at frisco for 4, 5? Years.
NDSU with 18500 each game while the Fcs averages 5500
NDSU is 21-1 in Fcs playoffs. 69-5 in last 74
Add this all up and read the tea leaves, it's hurting recruiting and stunting the programs into stagnation.
Yes we can always dominate this league , but why subsidize it and remain status quo?
1st time weighing in on this beaten horse. I didn't think this until this post season, but with NDSU now going after our 5th straight title, I do think we have entered an unfortunate no man's land between FBS and FCS. The reasons to not go FBS are well discussed - NCAA budget requirements, stadium size, lack of real playoff football, growing inequity and problems between P5 and G5 schools. But after seeing our team and current underclassmen beat up on a Richmond team, there is a real possibility of us going to 7 or 8 straight championship games, even if we may not win them all. We've clearly outgrown FCS as a program, but the FBS requirements and landscape are just not any better at present.
When I think of Laramie, WY, or Lawrence, KS, I see schools and communities we should absolutely be peers to level wise. I think it may actually be a good thing if P5 permanently detaches from G5, with revised NCAA requirements for the G5 schools, hopefully along with a G5 playoff system, that would entice and allow us to be in a tier with MWC, AAC, etc.
We got beat by USD this year.
End of discussion?
Cmon guys. It's TIME. 5 straight how many do u want 31?
Ndsu brand has peaked, watching twitter nationally yesterday EVERYONE was like. "These guys look fbs, the fanbase is fbs it's time"
Mountain West can have 21000 sold out at fargodome for 5 games or Wyoming with 12,000 in a 36,000 stadium.
Tv wise we could get FSN behind it, we would improve ALL our sports not just football. Basketball would bring in millions with big dance money.
It's time people, time to put the big boy pants on
shit happens. both of NDSU's losses came at the final play. theyre 2 plays away from being 14-0. let that one sink inQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSUSR
No - did Minnesota and Kansas State reconsider FCS because they lost to us? Of course not. It's about the long term trend, level of fan support, recruiting base, land grant status, and other metrics of the university. Of course we won't win every game we should, and won't win the championship every year. But it is becoming clear we are not peers to schools that have 5000 students, and bring 1000 people to their home playoff games.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUSR
To repeat, FBS is not suitable to join with its current requirements and state, but that is the level our program has clearly achieved.
Good grief. As long as there are 40 bowl games funneling millions of dollars to every FBS Conference, there will never be a "split".
It's good for the P5 to keep the G5s around for scheduling and to fill bowl spots that also benefit the P5 conferences. So, financially it costs the P5 NOTHING.
The G5s are fine with the current structure because they know that the Give A Shit for their programs is not much different than FCS. Translation: There is no money in a playoff level for them as it would be a glorified FCS Tournament.
We all know the reasons why no G5 Conference is likely to consider us and there isn't much that can be done about it.
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Originally Posted by NorthernBison
Disagree that the g5 are "fine" with current state of affairs. They're merely putting up with it because the only option is to bring in top teams from FCS if they separate from P5. Means less money for them.
Eventually the p5 will want more and more power/money and likely will cause a split or they will just leave g5 behind. The top 80 without splitting the money could survive without the G5 I believe as most of these schools have nearly limitless resources for money.
I'd rethink your first paragraph. If the G5 split the money doesn't just become less. It goes to Damn near ZERO. Holy crap. How much money do we get from the FCS playoff system? Do you think it would be much different? Hell No.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1998braves64
Nobody would give a shit nationally and all of the current bowl money could flow directly to the P5. Sorry, the G5 is not going to rock the boat.
I'm beginning to think a shakeup is a LONG way down the road and probably won't be something I live to see.
I expect the playoff to go to 8 and probably guaranty access to G5 under some very strict criteria. That will be enough to keep the G5 at the trough looking for a few crumbs as they really have no other alternative.
Yeah but G5 isn't "happy" with it either, they're settling for whatever P5 gives them. In other words my post is stating they're at the mercy of whatever P5 decides to give them. Was trying to say G5 will never do that because they want the money as you stated.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernBison
I think we will see something, P5 got appeased a bit but don't think they can keep changing things to make it better for them.
NDSU/Minnesota @ the vikings stadium would be tits.
Please read (post) my TOP 10 Reasons for NDSU to the MWC!
the Twin Cities, they WANT NDSU to stay FCS because they know once we go FBS we will over take their gophers. #FACT!
Josh Swanson Bison Illustrated twitter feed is blowing up about NDSU to FBS so something might be starting to happen.
NDSU to the Mountain West is a possibility. Commisioner Craig Thompson wants to add a team and perhaps drop Hawaii or San Jose. NDSU would be that ideal member.
#1 - MWC schools are NDSU's peer institutions! not mvfc schools.
#2 - MWC averaged 23,500 fans. IF NDSU could add 3000- 4000 seats somehow, someway, theyd be in middle of the pack.
Boise State – 33,612
San Diego State – 29,066
Fresno State – 29,036
Air Force – 26,026
Colorado State – 24,917
Hawaii – 23,433
New Mexico – 22,562
Nevada – 22,170
Utah State – 21,362
UNLV – 19,371
Wyoming – 18,060
San Jose State – 15,312
#3 NDSU didn't complain about football travel in the Great West with minimal resources, NDSU has more money now!
#4 MWC has a ESPN TV deal, each team gets $2.3 Million, They got $10 million for college football Playoffs and $8-10 million for Big Dance. that's $5 Million/yearly for NDSU by just joining.
#5 MWC Elevates ALL OF OUR SPORTS PROGRAMS substantially!
#6 Bowl Games in WARM locales
Las Vegas Bowl versus Pac-12
The Hawaii Bowl versus The American
The Poinsettia Bowl versus Army or MAC
The New Mexico Bowl versus Conference USA
The Famous Idaho Potato Bowl versus MAC
The Arizona Bowl versus Conference USA
The Armed Forces Bowl versus Big Ten
#7 More National Press for NDSU, FBS conferences have every score in every paper!
#8 NDSU football would get 22 more scholarships (could steal top 4-5 recruits from UNI, SDSU, UND , USD, etc)
#9 NDSU sports would finally take on a "REGIONAL" Feel, ala Boise State and encompass more of the Midwest
#10 NDSU sports could use the Mountain West as a 5 years springboard to a new NDSU owned stadium on campus , into a BIG 12 INVITE!
2017 NDSU Schedule could be:
At Illinois (a local big 10)
H UNI/SDSU (local fbs)
H Central Mich/Western Mich (easy MAC win)
A Utah State
H Wyoming
H Nevada
A Colorado State
A San Diego State
H Air Force
H New Mexico
A UNLV
^^^ How awesome would that be?
Our favorite drug cartel warlord has asked me to pump it up. I will oblige on his behalf.
10 Reasons for NDSU to the Mountain West!: (its a long read)
#1 - MWC schools are NDSU's peer institutions! not mvfc schools.
#2 - MWC averaged 23,500 fans. NDSU at 19,500 would work easily. IF NDSU could add 3000- 4000 seats somehow, someway, theyd be in middle of the pack.
Boise State – 33,612
San Diego State – 29,066
Fresno State – 29,036
Air Force – 26,026
Colorado State – 24,917
Hawaii – 23,433
New Mexico – 22,562
Nevada – 22,170
Utah State – 21,362
UNLV – 19,371
Wyoming – 18,060
San Jose State – 15,312
#3 NDSU didn't complain about football travel in the Great West with minimal resources, NDSU has more money now!
#4 MWC has a ESPN TV deal, each team gets $2.3 Million, MWC got $10 million for college football Playoffs and $8-10 million for Big Dance. that's $5 Million/yearly for NDSU by just joining.
#5 MWC Elevates ALL OF OUR SPORTS PROGRAMS substantially! (Basketball for sure!)
#6 Bowl Games in WARM locales
Las Vegas Bowl versus Pac-12
The Hawaii Bowl versus The American
The Poinsettia Bowl (San Diego) versus Army or MAC
The New Mexico Bowl versus Conference USA
The Famous Idaho Potato Bowl versus MAC
The Arizona Bowl versus Conference USA
The Armed Forces Bowl (Dallas TX) versus Big Ten
#7 More National Press for NDSU, FBS conferences have every score in every paper & every ESPN Sportscenter, FOX sports, etc
#8 NDSU football would get 22 more scholarships (could steal top 4-5 recruits from UNI, SDSU, UND , USD, etc)
#9 NDSU sports would finally take on a "REGIONAL" Feel, ala Boise State and encompass more of the Midwest
#10 NDSU sports could use the Mountain West as a 5 years springboard to a new NDSU owned stadium on campus , into a BIG 12 INVITE!
2017 NDSU Schedule could be:
At Illinois (a local big 10)
H UNI/SDSU (local fbs)
H Central Mich/Western Mich (easy MAC win)
A Utah State
H Wyoming
H Nevada
A Colorado State
A San Diego State
H Air Force
H New Mexico
A UNLV
^^^ How awesome would that be?
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Don't agree with Reusse much but he is on the spot with this article.Quote:
Originally Posted by natstar1
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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
Where is the conference invite?? Did I miss that news tidbit??!
Hey I'm just the messenger. Refer questions to el chapo.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1998braves64
IMO, it can't hurt to make a public announcement IF the school is interested. Maybe it could though idk
I would be shocked/ disappointed if we did not win at least 6 out of 10 against the Gophers. Winners win and the Gophers lose.
When NDSU joined other conferences (MVC etc.) in the past was it because we just suddenly out of the blue received this awesome invite that we just couldn't turn down or because we had a desire to move and other conferences were aware and we're discussing things behind the scenes. I'm just curious because this "moving is unrealistic, we have received no invite" argument seems lame to me...almost feels like a cop out :hide:
Been living in the Twin Cities since 'SU graduation. It would be great to see a green and gold invasion (again!) to the ridiculous purple dome for the RIGHT reason and the RIGHT team.Quote:
Originally Posted by natstar1
Guy at the tailgate at the last meeting at the Bank "graciously" offered me a Bison burger which I of course declined. He had no rodent pate.
Annual border battle would be awesome. I'm IN !!!!
Why the hell would you turn down a Byeson burger? They are basically hamburgers but betterQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenfieldBison
Strictly contextual. I will eat Bison every day and twice on Sunday - but not when a twitt from Gopherville is trying to get my goat. It was very likely beef anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
Making a public announcement has two immediate impacts.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
First of all, it invites the powers in Bismarck to crawl up the ass of the Administration with the intent to scrutinize and deny any extra funding the University might ask for. For ANYTHING. The reasoning? If you are that flush with cash, don't come knocking on our door.
The second effect is to further destabilize the Summit. Sort of like burning the lifeboats.
So yeah, a public announcement could hurt.
So the state will suddenly take money away from the school if it days we are open to a potential move?Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernBison
I don't buy it. Take off the tin foil hat
So posters are channeling someone else now?
So now your lakes bitch?Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
I know you're young and idealistic. Apparently you don't understand politics and money.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
Sending a signal that we have tens of millions of dollars to direct toward a move will definitely result in even chillier responses to funding requests.
In case you missed it, we are in the process of mending some broken relationships in Bismarck. You also might consider the economic news. I thought you studied business.
Already got my tramp stamp.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Well from what I hear from people on the forums... NDSU couldn't possibly get shafted any worse than they already do so seems like a no lose situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernBison
NDSU already gets screwed by the State who cares
NDSU needs to SOLICIT the Mountain West. Dean/Matt needs to take 4-5 people out there (Burgum, Hoeven, Scheels, Sanford) and Pop in a 10 minute video of our gamedays, our gametime atmosphere, our talent in ALL sports.
CMON people... this is the TIME! it is NOW!
So lakes needs a messenger boy now? Why the hell can't he do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness