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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
I believe so. Plus scholarship requirements.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
That's club level.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottietohottie
how many sports does NDSU have?
7 men's and 7 women's. So, likely need 2 more. I've always thought some equestrian things for women would make sense, but I'm from the back woods where horses are huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gully
8 men and 8 women. Indoor and outdoor track and field count as two sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
Air Force now linked to the AAC
https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1835757632793296985Quote:
Sources: Air Force has emerged as a serious target to be added to the American Athletic Conference. Air Force had emerged in conversations as a potential AAC add in recent months, prior to the Pac-12 taking four Mountain West schools last week.
Good to know!Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU_grad
I think there is a very good chance this happens..On an interesting side note...AFA may just go football only and place their olympic sports in the Summit. There has been discussion of this in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
ESPN is reporting it is known that the AAC and Air Force are in discussions about Air Force joining the conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
I am starting to wonder how long the MWC can stan still and not make some moves to settle the nerves of the remaining members.
Hard for the MWC to announce anything when El Chapo and AD ML keep them answering phone calls all day.*Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
*hopefully both are calling, but probably only 1 is.
Kolpack said sources are telling him that MWC only has NDSU and SDSU on radar, not the Montana's.
The wrong one. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by KSBisonFan
People forget that ML works for and represents the viewpoint of the school's president and the last president was not a FBS fan so he had to polish the FCS turd. Fortunately Cook has a different vision and for the first time in a while I feel like we really are working to move up behind the scenes.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Montana’s leadership sounds like ours 10 years ago. FCS is #1 spinner hat includedQuote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
Is there a linky to Kolpack statement? Or is this one of those “I got the text” lol
https://youtu.be/ruBrwXvsFrQ?si=eumnwS8JoZ69XH5XQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
19:50 mark
It was mentioned on Kolpack and Izzo on WDAY XtaQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
I guess I’m not surprised by that at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
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I guess I’m not as well but id love to play both those schools regularly.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
Their fans give a shit. Makes it fun. But if they wanna stay in the fcs... Fuck em, we out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
Cool stadiums too. Beats playing in the shacks of UXD.Quote:
Originally Posted by EC8CH
I think my oft stated opinion that the montana's are scrubs and XDSU deserve better is ringing pretty true.
Ambitionless scrub programs
1) Where would those remaining members go? Some aren't wanted by PAC or AAC. They might lose both Air Force and UNLV, but probably not much more. Nevada could potentially go as a package deal with UNLV.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
2) The remaining members are the ones that have to vote on who to add.
These things always get a little messy (see implosions and rebuild of CUSA and PAC). I don't know that they will make any decisions or official invites until its clear who is staying and who is leaving. At least that's been the pattern elsewhere.
https://frontofficesports.com/whats-...-12-expansion/
Best article (by a sports business publication, to boot) that summarizes the PAC/MW remaining financial situation. Like I’d mentioned before, the PAC is running out of money to pay the MW for more schools. PAC says they want to add 2-4 more schools, but it’s looking increasingly unlikely that they will come from the MW.
The PAC wants to move fast they say, but I don’t see how they can until they get a media deal at least agreed upon in principle. No AAC school is moving to the PAC without a serious bump in revenue. Again, in addition to terrible travel, they would be flipping their footprint from east coast to west coast - away from alumni, recruits, regional peers, and (most of all) large media markets.
If you’re the president of Tulsa, Memphis, Tulane, etc. are you really wanting to abandon the safe, comfy confines of the AAC for a wild ass question mark of a conference on the west coast?
My wild ass theory remains that no one from the AAC defects, PAC is left either looking at UNLV and Nevada (which was their backup plan all along) or… …FCS.
so you're saying there's a chance....
Sam Houston St would be an interesting add for MWC. Wont be surprised if theyre a candidate.
How insane would it be if after years of being left out of the FBS discussion NDSU is suddenly wanted by two FBS conferences at the same time???Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
<ok now the BS is getting deep :D>
Would be ultimate dumpster diving. The school is vacant on weekends. Commuter teacher’s college. Words told to me by someone who worked there for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ndsubison1
There is another path. The Pac and the AAC take at least 9 MW schools between them who would then vote to dissolve the conference. No exit fees, no poaching fees.. No MWCQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Sure, but they left the MW in the first place to get away from those schools and now they’d need to take 10 total because the four that left no longer have a vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
Going to be the same litigation that the PAC went through. Hard to prove the AAC and PAC didn’t collude in your scenario. They would absolutely have to collude to make it happen. Prisoner’s dilemma.
Yeah don’t think it’ll happen, just trying to highlight the quagmire all parties are in. PAC much more likely to just let it ride for 12 months than panic-add the XDSUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
This would be driven solely by the MW schools who wish to avoid exit fees. The AAC and the Pac would not have to be working together to make this happen. AFA has wanted to go to the AAC for years. UNLV is not tied to Nevada and will be added to the Pac, maybe as soon as this week.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
That leaves just 5 full members of the MW and football only Hawaii.
Wyoming
New Mexico
USU
Nevada
SJSU
Say the Pac grabs 4 from the AAC who then backfills with Wyoming, New Mexico and maybe USU.
That leaves NV, SJSU and Hawaii. The departing schools vote to dissolve. Nobody has to collude to get to that point.
I think this may be the most likely outcome.
It's more about the conference avoiding dissolving imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
As both CUSA and PAC-2 demonstrated, it is extremely unlikely for a conference to dissolve unless there are homes for all the members. Just existing as a FBS conference carries a good bit of value. The remaining members will be better off rebuilding than trying to go Indy.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
The only real risk at play is that all the “valuable” schools could be picked off, leaving a far lower media payout. That was really the whole motivation with the PAC rebuild/MWC split - the higher value teams won’t need to share their media payout with the lower valued teams. For the PAC, it was addition thru subtraction and why they didn’t want to just merge with MWC.
I feel like the MVFC schools that are also MVC basketball schools pushed to accept Murray St knowing they would lose a top 1-2 school in the future and proactively backfilled to prep for this scenario.
I think UNLV (Pac) and AFA (AAC) will be gone soon. The leftovers would be at 6 football schools but only 5 full time members. They have 4 years to figure something out. The departing schools will still be here until fall of 26. Whatever is left can get a 2 year grace period to rebuild to 8 if they choose. They will have pretty much milked the poaching and exit fees dry by then. But.....Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Would any school want to join that? Would FCS schools want to pay the 5 million, plus the additional costs to join that? NMSU and UTEP are in a far more stable situation. Why would they give that up for a dead man walking conference?
There can't be two G5 level conferences in the West. It just doesn't work.
I think the MVC schools in the MVFC were more worried about getting a good MBB program like Murray St into the conference after all the defections they've had recently like Creighton, Wichita St, and Loyola-Chicago so getting their football program into the MVFC was just a carrot to get them to join the MVC in other sports. Football definitely takes a backseat to MBB at most of the MVFC/MVC schools (appears that Missouri St may have been the exception since their MBB program just took a step down to help out their football program).Quote:
Originally Posted by Son of a Bison
You sure the AAC wants all those schools?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
No I am not. If they want AFA badly enough, and I think they do, it may well have to come as a package deal with the other Rocky Mountain schools. Or maybe not. If the MW tries to rebuild it will be a few years before invitations go out. The schools leaving aren't going until 2026.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gully
I very much guess that they don’t, USF and FAU, Temple, ECU, Charlotte, UAB, etc. are going to choke on Wyoming, USU, etc. Hell I think they probably choke on Air Force too. All the travel of the ACC/B10, without the tv revenue.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
Similar to the PAC savior schools, AFA would be leaving the MW to try to get away from those schools, so what benefit is there for them?
I would guess invitations go out this FY for schools to join MW in fall 2026. What happened to the PAC has got to be weighing on the minds of Nevarez and the remaining MW presidents. Either CUSA schools or FCS. Clock is ticking…