NDSU and SDSU are the top 2 teams in thr Summit, consistently for 15 years. How many times have the 2 schools made the big dance?Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Competition makes you up your game
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NDSU and SDSU are the top 2 teams in thr Summit, consistently for 15 years. How many times have the 2 schools made the big dance?Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Competition makes you up your game
As a 16 seed? Lmao the summit is fucking terrible. They look at us like we look at Auggie.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
The one caveat I will add to this, is that the MW breakup fees are super prohibitive for what I would guess is everyone not named UNLV. If Nevada BOR won’t let UNLV leave Nevada, UNLV might legit be stuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
If that’s the case, the PAC is literally left looking at only FCS programs as options… and there’s only two that would make an ounce of sense…
PAC is sitting on a hoard of cash. Those teams leaving are not the ones paying the exit fees...PAC is.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
How much more are they willing or able to pay though? And for what, Nevada and UNLV? Air Force? Each school is ~$30M.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
These are the schools the four savior schools are trying to get away from. Why would they pay tens of millions of dollars each to be stuck back in a new conference with them?
They don’t know the value of their new TV deal yet and that’s going to kill them in trying to recruit schools. And also from knowing that they can spend down their cash hoard, confident they can build it back up.
What hoard of cash? They went from ~$30M/year with ESPN to a chump change 1 year contract with the CW. PAC had no exit fees, and the relatively small amount the departing schools agreed to give up is already spoken for.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
Living beyond your means is the American way though.
I think the PAC has about 250 million war chest right now. But the do owe MWC around 40 million in poaching feesQuote:
Originally Posted by taper
The Nevada Board of Regents will not keep UNLV from leaving Nevada and going to another conference alone. Out of their entire history Nevada and UNLV have only been in the same football conference once. 12 years in the MW. There were a couple years in the non football WCC in the early 70's. That's it. It is a non issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
What might hold UNLV is the 18 million dollar exit fees.. In addition the Pac would have to give the MW another 11 million bucks for poaching them.
That $250M number came from people absurdly thinking WSU and OSU would get to keep the entire 2023-24 media payout with nothing going to the 10 that left, AND they'd still get the $80M conference payout from the CFP. Neither of those things happened. The PAC's finances are a mess. I'm very curious how they plan to make these buyout payments work.Quote:
Originally Posted by WestCoastBison
Form the
Assets/Debt
Total Assets $158,066,674
Total Liabilities $55,387,067
Net Assets $102,679,607
Per the PAC 12's IRS filing end of 12/31/2023
full 990 info
https://projects.propublica.org/nonp...ions/941459048
Pac 12 filing. $40 million of salary on $600 million of revenue. Seems like a good place to work.
MVFC in comparisionQuote:
Originally Posted by kab1one
Assets/Debt
Total Assets $1,297,480
Total Liabilities $261,491
Net Assets $1,035,989
Compensation
Key Employees and Officers Compensation Related Other
Patty Viverito (Secretary/Treasurer) $67,982 $0 $29,835
Terri Goss Kinzy (President (Thru 2/15/2023)) $0 $0 $0
Aondover Tarhule (President (Effective 2/15/2023)) $0 $0 $0
UC davis' operating budget is 7.1 billion dollars annually. UC Davis could be a big ten program if they just spent the money. Any slight against uc davis that could be fixed with money is not an issue at all, if the uc leadership decides they want to elevate athletics.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
billion???????????Quote:
Originally Posted by twentysix
Yeah it’s wild. In that same vein tho, they have had an ongoing budget shortfall, and D2 facilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
To my knowledge a lot of their revenue/expense comes from operating a fully functioning hospital system. Not like they’re able to start siphoning money from that to their football program.
In regards to UC Davis, it's a whole lot easier to make an AAU school into a power football team than to make a power football team into AAU. Academics matter.
Where do you see this going? You're Nevada fan, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
Yea. Uc davis' budget runs laps around the entire ndus budget. Which is 2.84B.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
The UC is a machine, even at davis which is the 6th tier campus.
I believe UC Davis' research budget is twice the size of ndsu's whole operating budget
If I remember right UV Davis is a "Public Ivy"
I don't know at all. I think the Pac2 are trying to add some AAC schools but I don't know how interested any of them would be to pay an exit fee and have conference mates thousands of miles away. One theory I have seen that makes some sense, is the new Pac 6 along with Stanford and Cal to merge with the leftover ACC schools should that conference break up. Who knows? They could grab a few more MW schools if nothing else works or actually do a merger with the whole MW which would save everybody millions of bucks..Quote:
Originally Posted by KSBisonFan
Just more of the wierd world of college sports now that it is a professional business.
oops double postQuote:
Originally Posted by KSBisonFan
I hope the MWC isn't watching today ;)
The MW has a number of schools who do these body bag games..No real surprises today.
https://duckswire.usatoday.com/lists...Wt9RMoUqRkrvXQ
NDSU keeps getting listed as a top option for the PAC 12 but who knows
Dear Matt
Last week would have been way better eh. Fuck.
Yours truly,
Scottietohottie
Ps. Fuck it let's fucking go!!!
Seeing “great location fit” behind “NDSU -“ is a new one for me lolQuote:
Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan
Hes also saying utep and utsa are solid travel partners.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
El paso is like 600 miles from san antonio lol
Its similar to the distance between fargo and kansas city lol.
Is this real? If so, too late, lol. They should have stopped CUSA from filling their conference with crap when they had the chance.
https://x.com/MattBrownEP/status/1835380697042723171
Glad to see the Bison pull that out yesterday. I had ETSU as my major trap game.
Matt just wildly speculates these days. Even if they were, I’m sure the MW and PAC couldn’t give two fucks about what the B10 and SEC say regarding how they handle realignment lolQuote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Yeah, this smells like an idea someone came up with and decided it must be true. Why the hell would those schools give a rat's ass if 2-3 more FCS teams go FBS? It's going to take what, .00000001% of the total pot away from the big boys?Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Not sure what to think yet. Matt Brown has a lot of deep connections and is often on the money on these things. FBS is becoming a money grab, and those at the top want to consolidate. They will likely be kicking G5 to the curb either way in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
Flip side is how can the power conferences keep poaching from those below them, and then expect them not to backfill? Should the lower conferences just surrender and fold? The proposition seems absurd on the surface.
If Matt publishes an in depth story on this topic, it will be worth a read. All his prior stuff on NIL, etc has played out the way he projected.
If that was the plan, zero chance they are leaking it out to anyone because it is grounds for a massive lawsuit that will cost far more money than keeping anyone out would save.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Any school/conference that cares enough about how many FBS schools there are isn't making any real decisions to begin with. The Big 10 and the SEC could give two shits if NDSU or Montana or Sac State jumps up, the money involved is a rounding error to them.
Perhaps they are starting a list of grievances against the G5/6 so that when they leave, they have "reasons" besides greed to point to for their discontent. It’s laughable to say this after what CUSA did to survive. Total fing joke. Too little too lateQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
IMHO there absolutely should be non-financial considerations to move up such as number of FCS titles/appearances, facilities, brand, research status, etc, but logic and realignment appear to have become immiscible
I’m a little surprised nobody here has linked the Forum article where ML basically says, "yes, we want to move up and the time is now". I guess that flies in the face of the narrative on here that so many have pushed for so long …
Agree with this. If anything it helps the B10/SEC in their crusade to separate. “Look at all the FCS teams that have jumped, it’s untenable now” is much better PR than “yeah, but I want fuck you money”Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Am I missing something here or what? What direct effect on money distribution would this have? Aren’t payouts based on conference and then redistributed therein? Or is it actually based on number of teams in the conference? If it just goes to each conference, what does the P2 care if the MW waters itself down? It’s to their advantage…
I guess that article though is proof that nothing is hurt by saying what he said. I read it and lol’d to myself “there you go Matt, was that so fucking difficult?”Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
That said im guessing the difference in answer has more to do with President Cook than Matt L changing tact.
I do think something is in the works. 1660 last Thursday spent 10 minutes talking about how this was the right time, the right move. They even went into how FCS has become a bad product. Such FCS bashing has never, ever happened on 1660. And of course they’ve never allowed us to fill our silly little heads with thoughts of something better than status quo.
My guess is this has been in the works since Cook arrived. ML's choice of words sort of give it away, imo. To paraphrase ... "some want to see lakes flying a cropduster with the MWC banner in the sky, but doing this can derail the process. I'm talking about it now because its safe"Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
We'll see. Last week was bad luck so time for me to go silent on realignment. Wrt to ETSU, Colorado when into Ft Collins and totally wrangled the sheep, and yet Bison defense kept them in that game in Boulder. In Johnson City, it seems we were simply out coached and unready. Their QB rungame was an unexpected twist, and what's puzzling is why it took so long to adjust
Wasnt that the point of raising the FBS entry fee to $5 mil?Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
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Originally Posted by NDSU92
This. Anything that ML did or didn't do before Cook was at Bresciano's direction. If there's a change now, it's a Bresciani to Cook change...
Is "16 DI sports" still the rule? If so, the Montanas only have 15 each.