A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Already aren’t considered one and never will be again. All they can hope is to be the best G5 conference and with a far western footprint good luck with that.

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Yep. Never will be a P5 again. PAC is just gonna be the new MWC...which was just a new WAC

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Originally Posted by Kevin

is it safe to assume that it doesn't happen now that it'll probably never happen? at least not in the next decade+?

because it feels that way.

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I don’t think so. Hell, look at what conferences looked like a year ago, or 3 years ago! Conference realignment will always be happening. Now, I do agree, like I stated before, that this might be the best opportunity.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Already aren’t considered one and never will be again. All they can hope is to be the best G5 conference and with a far western footprint good luck with that.

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They will do everything possible to create that "best of G5" conference, and put themselves at least back on the edge of being considered a power conference. The 4 schools they added are a very big step that direction, and something our MWC friend didn't seem to think would happen (due to exit fees).

Presuming they've got the money to do so, they will pull a couple from AAC next.

Honestly my biggest fear is that SDSU isn’t interested and/or ready for a move up. Auto relegates us to a football only option at best and probably even that would be too much for MW to stomach.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Has anyone with inside knowledge ever said Air Force wants to be with the other service academies? Always seemed like armchair speculation and nothing more to me.

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Long been known that Air Force almost moved (with CSU and Boise) to the AAC years ago. The only reason Air Force stayed, the other two backed out and they saw their relationship with CSU as important to maintain membership in the MWC. Minus the big 4 (especially CSU) who are leaving, there is no reason for Air Force to stay and both Navy, and Army would love to have them in the AAC. I would not be surprised if the MWC could lose another 2 or 3 additional teams to either the new PAC, or to the AAC with Air Force being one. No, that is not just speculation, I've heard it from West Point alums.

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Originally Posted by Kevin

is it safe to assume that it doesn't happen now that it'll probably never happen? at least not in the next decade+?

because it feels that way.

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I lost hope after the last one. If this one doesn’t do it I will have come to grips with the fact that our only chance at G5 is Sicatoka’s weenie hut jr Big Sky/MVFC mashup pipe dream.

*shudders*

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

I lost hope after the last one. If this one doesn’t do it I will have come to grips with the fact that our only chance at G5 is Sicatoka’s weenie hut jr Big Sky/MVFC mashup pipe dream.

*shudders*

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I have hope. I'm ready to be hurt again.

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Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan

From everything I'm reading, options for Mountain West are CUSA teams in Texas or going after FCS. They will not get AAC or Sun Belt teams; but possible those teams would consider PAC. However, CUSA teams are generally worse football quality than top level FCS, so keeping my fingers crossed. I really think we have a shot here, provided SDSU get their head out of their ass as we need a travel partner for non-rev.

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SDSU has never said they weren't interested in moving. What Sell has said, they would be prepared to move if the right opportunity arose. No way SDSU stays in FCS if they get an invite along with NDSU to leave for the MWC, especially if the Montana schools are involved.

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Originally Posted by jacksfan29!

Long been known that Air Force almost moved (with CSU and Boise) to the AAC years ago. The only reason Air Force stayed, the other two backed out and they saw their relationship with CSU as important to maintain membership in the MWC. Minus the big 4 (especially CSU) who are leaving, there is no reason for Air Force to stay and both Navy, and Army would love to have them in the AAC. I would not be surprised if the MWC could lose another 2 or 3 additional teams to either the new PAC, or to the AAC with Air Force being one. No, that is not just speculation, I've heard it from West Point alums.

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1. Army and navy are football only members
1a. Doubt Air Force goes football only to AAC
1b. How much pull do two bottom dweller football only members have in the AAC?
2. What does Air Force bring the rest of the conference? What makes SE teams want to fly cross country for a mediocre program to be added?

I could be wrong but it always just seemed like people wanting to group them together because it seems to make sense. That’s not how conferences work lol

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

I lost hope after the last one. If this one doesn’t do it I will have come to grips with the fact that our only chance at G5 is Sicatoka’s weenie hut jr Big Sky/MVFC mashup pipe dream.

*shudders*

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:rofl:

Honestly, thats what some of those proposed PAC tweets look like. And what the MWC is more likely to evolve to.

MWC will most likely backfill with some "mashup" of Big Sky/MVFC, and I hope we are part of it.
It will likely be the remainder of MWC combining with "best of FCS"

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Originally Posted by jacksfan29!

SDSU has never said they weren't interested in moving. What Sell has said, they would be prepared to move if the right opportunity arose. No way SDSU stays in FCS if they get an invite along with NDSU to leave for the MWC, especially if the Montana schools are involved.

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Good info, thanks. Both posts

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Originally Posted by IndyBison

If the PAC12 brings in schools like NDSU, they will not be considered a P4/5 conference. It would be a very good G5/6 conference though and that's not a bad thing. Less likely to get AAC schools and may upset the MWC schools that jumped.

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they already aren't a power4 conference.

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Originally Posted by jacksfan29!

SDSU has never said they weren't interested in moving. What Sell has said, they would be prepared to move if the right opportunity arose. No way SDSU stays in FCS if they get an invite along with NDSU to leave for the MWC, especially if the Montana schools are involved.

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Just snuck over to your forum to see what folks are saying. What thread would that be over there? BTW, I've heard Sell's comments and agree. But small time thinking media members like Zimmer have colored my perception. He thinks having Augie in a for a game is a great thing....LOL

xdsu's and the montana sheep fuckers have to be a pretty attractive quad to a g5 conference that's trying to add legitimacy in terms of competition

unfortunately it's everything else that seems to carry weight

I've said this before and I'll repeat it now. It sure would be nice at times like this if our administration and coach would have tried to elevate our men's basketball profile.

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Originally Posted by KSBisonFan

I've said this before and I'll repeat it now. It sure would be nice at times like this if our administration and coach would have tried to elevate our men's basketball profile.

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i agree 10000% but mostly because i'd really like to enjoy watching basketball again.

but at least we have a resume from a decade ago that implies we can do it again.

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Originally Posted by KSBisonFan

I've said this before and I'll repeat it now. It sure would be nice at times like this if our administration and coach would have tried to elevate our men's basketball profile.

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Agree, that may be one of our downsides if MW is as focused on basketball as our MW friend states. Basketball has been woefully neglected, and that is on ML and co. We really should invest more in that sport. But it seems like a chicken and egg thing with fan support lacking as well.

Still think we’ve got a good shot at this. MW backfilling with Montana/MSU/NDSU/SDSU would be a great move. There’s a chance MW loses one or two more, but right now they just need 4.

When the fuck did we get basketball eh?

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

Agree, that may be one of our downsides if MW is as focused on basketball as our MW friend states. Basketball has been woefully neglected, and that is on ML and co. We really should invest more in that sport. But it seems like a chicken and egg thing with fan support lacking as well.

Still think we’ve got a good shot at this. MW backfilling with Montana/MSU/NDSU/SDSU would be a great move. There’s a chance MW loses one or two more, but right now they just need 4.

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Imagine the FCS if the XDSUs and Montanas leave.....I guess there will be parity, so there's that.

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Originally Posted by EC8CH

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Must spread rep!!!!

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

Must spread rep!!!!

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He'll share the details in two weeks.

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Originally Posted by KSBisonFan

Imagine the FCS if the XDSUs and Montanas leave.....I guess there will be parity, so there's that.

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CAA might be relevant again?

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Originally Posted by EC8CH

CAA might be relevant again?

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socon would dominate when murray state lands in their conf.

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Originally Posted by Kevin

socon would dominate when murray state lands in their conf.

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UND might win a playoff game or two.

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Originally Posted by EC8CH

UND might win a playoff game or two.

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probably not tbh

SDSU has a
1) newer football stadium that can be expanded if need be
2) newish indoor practice facility/indoor track
3) brand new wrestling complex
4) totally redone basketball/volleyball arena
5) wrapping up upgrades to the baseball and softball fields

What exactly has NDSU done to make yourselves attractive to an FBS conference? Neither state has enough people to be attractive. The Fargo dome, while you are proud of it and should be, looks like the old arena in Sioux Falls. It is dated and can't be expanded. Your basketball program has needed investment for years. FBS doesn't care how many championships you have won. They want eyeballs to sell advertising and facilities to show that you give a shit and are capable of keeping up with the Jones's. Hopefully SDSU's investment in their facilities including football is enough that a conference will consider allowing NDSU to follow SDSU into the next level.

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Originally Posted by ringthebells

SDSU has a
1) newer football stadium that can be expanded if need be
2) newish indoor practice facility/indoor track
3) brand new wrestling complex
4) totally redone basketball/volleyball arena
5) wrapping up upgrades to the baseball and softball fields

What exactly has NDSU done to make yourselves attractive to an FBS conference? Neither state has enough people to be attractive. The Fargo dome, while you are proud of it and should be, looks like the old arena in Sioux Falls. It is dated and can't be expanded. Your basketball program has needed investment for years. FBS doesn't care how many championships you have won. They want eyeballs to sell advertising and facilities to show that you give a shit and are capable of keeping up with the Jones's. Hopefully SDSU's investment in their facilities including football is enough that a conference will consider allowing NDSU to follow SDSU into the next level.

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Thanks rabbit

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Originally Posted by ringthebells

SDSU has a
1) newer football stadium that can be expanded if need be
2) newish indoor practice facility/indoor track
3) brand new wrestling complex
4) totally redone basketball/volleyball arena
5) wrapping up upgrades to the baseball and softball fields

What exactly has NDSU done to make yourselves attractive to an FBS conference? Neither state has enough people to be attractive. The Fargo dome, while you are proud of it and should be, looks like the old arena in Sioux Falls. It is dated and can't be expanded. Your basketball program has needed investment for years. FBS doesn't care how many championships you have won. They want eyeballs to sell advertising and facilities to show that you give a shit and are capable of keeping up with the Jones's. Hopefully SDSU's investment in their facilities including football is enough that a conference will consider allowing NDSU to follow SDSU into the next level.

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NDSU is a brand that brings eyeballs and ratings. That's why our games are on the mothership and SDSU plays on the Ocho.

sdsu has fat chicks too.

Good news is that if nothing pans out we still got a game with Oregon in 4 years lol

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Originally Posted by WestCoastBison

Good news is that if nothing pans out we still got a game with Oregon in 4 years lol

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cam miller will be like an 11th year senior by then i like our odds

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Originally Posted by EC8CH

CAA might be relevant again?

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:rofl:

Actually, I’d bet Big Fluffy still kicks their arse in the playoffs. Probably MVFC teams like UNI and YSU as well.

More interesting question is who does MVFC backfill with next? Hope we aren’t around long enough to find out.

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Originally Posted by Kevin

sdsu has fat chicks too.

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And we're not playing a D2 school Saturday.

I've already blown through my initial excitement today and breezed through the 5 stages of grief for when the dust settles and we're still in FCS. Landed on acceptance about 30 minutes ago.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

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Actually, I’d bet Big Fluffy still kicks their arse in the playoffs. Probably MVFC teams like UNI and YSU as well.

More interesting question is who does MVFC backfill with next? Hope we aren’t around long enough to find out.

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make southern speed great again

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Originally Posted by KSBisonFan

And we're not playing a D2 school Saturday.

I've already blown through my initial excitement today and breezed through the 5 stages of grief for when the dust settles and we're still in FCS. Landed on acceptance about 30 minutes ago.

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Holy shit they’re playing Auggie LMFAO who’s doing their scheduling, dave Richman? Lol

Imagine us playing UMary

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

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Actually, I’d bet Big Fluffy still kicks their arse in the playoffs. Probably MVFC teams like UNI and YSU as well.

More interesting question is who does MVFC backfill with next? Hope we aren’t around long enough to find out.

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Villanova would be the best program left in the division

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Originally Posted by ringthebells

SDSU has a
1) newer football stadium that can be expanded if need be
2) newish indoor practice facility/indoor track
3) brand new wrestling complex
4) totally redone basketball/volleyball arena
5) wrapping up upgrades to the baseball and softball fields

What exactly has NDSU done to make yourselves attractive to an FBS conference? Neither state has enough people to be attractive. The Fargo dome, while you are proud of it and should be, looks like the old arena in Sioux Falls. It is dated and can't be expanded. Your basketball program has needed investment for years. FBS doesn't care how many championships you have won. They want eyeballs to sell advertising and facilities to show that you give a shit and are capable of keeping up with the Jones's. Hopefully SDSU's investment in their facilities including football is enough that a conference will consider allowing NDSU to follow SDSU into the next level.

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That could essentially read like a list of things NDSU has already done and to your last point all things that have zero to do with eyeballs. LOL

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Originally Posted by ringthebells

SDSU has a
1) newer football stadium that can be expanded if need be
2) newish indoor practice facility/indoor track
3) brand new wrestling complex
4) totally redone basketball/volleyball arena
5) wrapping up upgrades to the baseball and softball fields

What exactly has NDSU done to make yourselves attractive to an FBS conference? Neither state has enough people to be attractive. The Fargo dome, while you are proud of it and should be, looks like the old arena in Sioux Falls. It is dated and can't be expanded. Your basketball program has needed investment for years. FBS doesn't care how many championships you have won. They want eyeballs to sell advertising and facilities to show that you give a shit and are capable of keeping up with the Jones's. Hopefully SDSU's investment in their facilities including football is enough that a conference will consider allowing NDSU to follow SDSU into the next level.

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This is one of the dumbest posts I've read in years.

Let me destroy your arguments:

1. I live in Sioux Falls; the Fargodome is WAY nicer than the Sioux Falls arena, but does need a facelift.
2. We have a nicer indoor practice facility.
3. We also have a pretty darn new bball facility, and more up to date than Frost until just now. That was a huge investment.
4. We already have excellent bball facility and softball facility. You are the behind school on facilities.....

Nice troll job. You got me.

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Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan

This is one of the dumbest posts I've read in years.

Let me destroy your arguments:

1. I live in Sioux Falls; the Fargodome is WAY nicer than the Sioux Falls arena, but does need a facelift.
2. We have a nicer indoor practice facility.
3. We also have a pretty darn new bball facility, and more up to date than Frost until just now. That was a huge investment.
4. We already have excellent bball facility and softball facility. You are the behind school on facilities.....

Nice troll job. You got me.

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Fargo has a Target.