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Originally Posted by NI4NI
Most of Twitter seems to share this thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
As I've been saying for a while, this is the scenario that gives us an opening.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
PAC poaches top of MWC, now MWC needs to backfill. It was never going to happen another way.
Also, for all the naysayers, ML will look brilliant if this works out.
I'll take a rebuilt MWC a million times over the garbage that is CUSA, and also over MAC too.
Plus I would much rather travel to the West vs East for the road games.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Fuck no. Hard pass. They can play us in non conference if they are luckyQuote:
Originally Posted by NI4NI
I’d say Jay knows. Odd he would be the one spilling the news but he is tapped in here and isn’t going to spread misinformation.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Freee fucking lakes right fucking now!
Pump it up! !
While I suspect he “knows” we are at least making a full fledge press, uncertain if anything is official or done yet. Lots of moving parts and may take time for the dust to settle, and a formal invite would require the existing MWC schools to vote us in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzled
Also, found his follow up retweet of this one kind of bizarre:
https://x.com/unnecroughness/status/...bQhDgWeqSXZc2w
That suggests to me it isn’t done yet perhaps.
And I know a lot of people would love that scenario, but there is about a 1 in a bazillion chance the PAC go that direction. They will likely look outside both MWC and FCS for additional schools. I’m thinking most likely two top AAC schools will join them initially to get to 8. That would keep PAC alive and give it a strong base to build on later if they choose.
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Originally Posted by BISONBRI53
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This might be the best chance to go FBS, well at least for now lol. The biggest hurdle to overcome is the same it has been forever. Location and media market size. I think media market size being a bigger hurdle. I could see a scenario where the MT West tries and gets into Texas and their media markets. Rice and Texas Southern are in Houston, University of North Texas is just north of Dallas, Texas-San Antonio and even Incarnate Word are in San Antonio. I hope that we can make the case and be looked at as a potential member in f the MT West. Clearly we care about athletics, and especially football with our facilities, ahem…need to upgrade the dome, so come on MT West, do it!
It would be pretty irresponsible of him as an extension of the athletic dept to be tweeting any false information.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
I took it as a bit of a joke to push for more money......but what do I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
You may be right. I expect there have been conversations, and feel like things are close. But there has not been enough time for MWC to make any official decisions yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
Lol at Eastern Washington on that map.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Head of the collective is a bit different than being employed by NDSU. His job is to “pump it up” in a way, and encourage donations to the NIL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzled
Its happening. I want to go tailgating right now and have a jag bomb or three.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzled
I will say Jay is typically pretty careful in comments that could be taken the wrong way.....which is why I started taking more seriously with reading all of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Go outside the conference and eventually come back to other MWC schools when the price tag is lower. UNLV and Nevada seem like obvious picks.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
fwiw it is mentioned here also,Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
so increase those chances to two in a bazillion!
https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/...=BrettMcMurphy
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……Who are the candidates? That’s to be determined, sources told Action Network.
The Pac-12 could pursue two more Mountain West schools — UNLV and Air Force would be at the top of that list, sources said. Or the Pac-12 could hope (and pray) that somehow Cal and Stanford decided to leave the ACC and return to their Pac-12 roots.
Or maybe the Pac-12 could look to grab two schools from the AAC — maybe Memphis and/or Tulane — or from another Group of Six league. Or does it take a chance on an FCS school, such as FCS juggernauts North Dakota State or South Dakota State?…….
is it safe to assume that it doesn't happen now that it'll probably never happen? at least not in the next decade+?
because it feels that way.
Seriously; if you read an article about PAC taking NDSU, not worth the paper written on. The opportunity now is Mountain West or another conference if they raid someone.
Stop trying to act like the NCAA. There is a direct connection between the collection and the athletic dept. Jay knows that and treats it accordingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Yeah MWC is the opportunity here. And they'll need to take FCS programs to avoid folding entirely I'd assume. Where's the crossover from g5 otherwise? the texas teams in the American or CUSA (i can never remember their exact footprints).Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
From everything I'm reading, options for Mountain West are CUSA teams in Texas or going after FCS. They will not get AAC or Sun Belt teams; but possible those teams would consider PAC. However, CUSA teams are generally worse football quality than top level FCS, so keeping my fingers crossed. I really think we have a shot here, provided SDSU get their head out of their ass as we need a travel partner for non-rev.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
Now is certainly the best opportunity we've had in years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
"Now" though could mean another 3-6 months for MWC to formalize and approve their invites.
Also, there is a strong chance FBS will split/reorganize into P4 vs G6 (presuming PAC not allowed back in as a "power" conference) There could be further fallout and reorg that comes out of that. It is likely some additional FCS schools will join the G5/6 within a few years.
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
PAC will pull from some combination of MWC/AAC/SBC. Most likely MWC and AAC for first phase.
MWC will likely not be able to pull from AAC or SBC, though Texas St might be tempted.
FCS options are better geographically and competitively for MWC than most of the CUSA schools. I believe MWC will not want to reach to the east coast.
I think NDSU's main competition for those MWC backfill spots will come from the Big Sky. The Montana schools are obvious replacement candidates but there are others in the Big Sky who could make a push and fit better into the footprint of the schools that the MWC just lost such as Idaho, Sacramento St, and UC Davis.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Sam Herder...couple paragraphs worth a look:
"If MWC presidents do look at FCS additions, they may prefer FCS teams within their footprint with bigger markets, large alumni bases, student enrollment, and revenue potential. If that’s the case, Sac State and UC Davis could be targets. Northern Arizona may also be on the long list of options as well due to the factors above."
"Or if the MWC presidents are smart and just want to add the best pure football teams with cool home fields and passionate fan bases, they could look at NDSU, SDSU, Montana, and Montana State. Small TV markets, location, and budgets could be hurdles for these four programs in making an FBS jump. But if the invite is extended, I bet all four would say yes. The $5 million fee to go from FCS to the FBS won’t be a roadblock for those four. Montana and Montana State have to make the jump together. The board of regents will ensure the two are always in the same conference. NDSU doesn’t necessarily need SDSU to make the jump and vice versa."
https://herosports.com/fcs-pac-12-re...o-effect-bzbz/
The FCS state schools have the highest ceiling and (probably more importantly) the highest floor. Yeah you can add UTEP NM State or Sammy but what trust do you have that they’re going to move your conference forward in any meaningful way? Very likely they function as anchors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
Better to avoid Texas than to broadcast to the world that your conference is now obviously below AAC and Sun Belt. Will have a stronger conference for it and also you’ll likely never worry that another conference swoops in to steal a Dakota school. Instead your best case scenario is that UTEP gets good enough to get the attention of AAC or Sun Belt.
With the Dakotas you get upside, stability, regional domination, better academics and brand power. No brainer.
as posted in the other thread, i sent the following email to leadership:
the PAC12 is where NDSU belongs, and we should go hard for it even if it fails. Fuck the skepticsQuote:
President Cook, Director Larson,
I am writing to you today on behalf of the XXXX family, regarding today's developments in the Mountain West and PAC-12 Conferences.* As you are well aware, this change will open up several spots in the higher division, possibly including the American Athletic Conference as well.* While I and many others would be pleased to join either the Mountain West or American Athletic Conferences, it seems clear to me that NDSU's peers at that level will be in the PAC-12.
I trust that you have done your diligence and spoken with the PAC-12, and I acknowledge that this may be a stretch to convince this conference to admit a lowly member from the FCS over a 'proven' upper division program.* It is better to try and fail than to not try at all, and we all know that an excellent case can be made on the merits: a State-Flagship Land-Grant*university, a peerless football program, tremendous success in olympic*sports, a booming community in a prosperous state, and access to the wildly under recruited upper midwest.
Rumor has reached even us plebeians*that we have nearly been invited to realign in the recent past, but even so I still read in the national press that North Dakota State is content where we are.* While these decisions on conference membership are made in high offices and ivory towers, their decisions are influenced by the press as well.* To that end, I would like to encourage you to publicly declare NDSU's interest in changing our conference affiliation, with an emphasis on joining the PAC-12.* We XXXXs have no great fortune, but we do give to Team Makers and to the Green and Gold Collective, and to this end I will donate $1000 to the*University should*this action occur.* Should the leaders of this school and athletic department make it to ESPN or similar platform to make this pitch to a national audience, I will triple that figure.**
This is a once in a lifetime opportunity*to fulfill the dream of the last 60 years, a spot in a conference of our peers, with direct access to the national championship at its highest level.* On behalf*of four generations and counting of North Dakotans, and nearly a dozen and counting NDSU graduates, please do everything in your power to put NDSU in the conversation and lead this program to the Promised Land.
other than maybe Memphis, name a better program that the PAC 10 could add than NDSU. NDSU is better than CSU or fresnoQuote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
Air Force goes to AAC if theres a spot. I dont see AAC schools leaving for this new MWC. Sun Belt might even be more stable than the MWC is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ndsubison1
I've like Memphis, Tulane, NDSU, and SDSU forming the eastern front of the PAC-12 for a while.
the MWC likely looks at UND, USD, UM, MSU, Idaho, Weber and Illinois State, assuming they lose two more schools to the PAC-12 and Airforce to the AAC
AF -> AAC makes a lot of sense if AAC loses say Memphis and/or Tulane to PAC.Quote:
Originally Posted by ndsubison1
That would give AAC Army, Navy, and AF. Sort of like collecting railroads in monopoly.
My prediction is PAC adds two more to get to 8 and then stops for now. Those two are highly likely to be AAC schools, or possibly an AAC school and one SBC school. Zero chance the PAC who sees themselves as a "power" conference reaches to FCS.
If the PAC12 brings in schools like NDSU, they will not be considered a P4/5 conference. It would be a very good G5/6 conference though and that's not a bad thing. Less likely to get AAC schools and may upset the MWC schools that jumped.Quote:
Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan
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If FBS schools start going to the Fargodome I'll actually go to games. I haven't been to a game in person since 2002
Has anyone with inside knowledge ever said Air Force wants to be with the other service academies? Always seemed like armchair speculation and nothing more to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Already aren’t considered one and never will be again. All they can hope is to be the best G5 conference and with a far western footprint good luck with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndyBison