SDSU clearly likes where they are at, in a similar spot that we once were in but that can change in a hurry.
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SDSU clearly likes where they are at, in a similar spot that we once were in but that can change in a hurry.
Clemson is a satellite the size of Jamestown. Is Fargo more attractive than Clemson? Perhaps we should call the ACC.Quote:
Originally Posted by tjbison
Clemson is part of the Greenville–Spartanburg–Anderson metro, which has 1.5 million peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
Have you been? Its not a metro lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
According to the Census Bureau it is....Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
Census Bureau also says Casselton, Kindred, and Barnesville are part of the FM metro.Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
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Originally Posted by GCWaters
It is not if he is referring to 1.5 million people. It's a combined statistical area of ten(!!!) counties. Do you know what is included in the Fargo CSA? Wahpeton. A town an hour away.
You win, CSA and MSA are different.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
I've been stuck on I-85 at different times of the day between Greenville and Spartanburg. It's especially bad when Michelin and BMW are having a shift change. I've also been at stoplights for 3-4 cycles in Greer and Duncan on multiple occasions before getting through it. It seemed pretty damn metro to me. Greenville County has 558,000. It's a metro. Clemson is only 30 miles from Greenville.
I'm confused....Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson is the CSA, but Greenville-Anderson-Greer, which includes Clemson, is in the MSA....or am I missing something?Quote:
Originally Posted by runtheoption
I have no idea if Clemson is in the MSA or the CSA. I just know it is only 30'ish miles from Greenville and Greenville County has a population of 558,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
It should be in both....I believe the MSA's are nested within the CSA's....there are five MSA's inside the G-S-A CSA.....Quote:
Originally Posted by runtheoption
It doesn't really matter I was trying to rebut the idea Clemson is a little hick town. The region is huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by runtheoption
Wekl they are in Cass and Clay county. Difference is the 10 counties around Clemson are densely populated. FM Metro is surrounded by farmlandQuote:
Originally Posted by taper
How many counties are in the Twin Cities metro? Hint its more than 10
FYT Town and region are different. Just saying. :biggrin: With a population of 17k doesnt scream big.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Point is, neither NDSU or SDSU bring enough current viewership to add much television rights value.
OK.
El Chapo, you are one stupid sonofabitch.
I was one of the VERY DAMN FEW saying to allow you back on here.
And you've neg repped me twice in a week because you disagree with me? Everyone else is right...you're just a fucking tool.
And don't forget to neg rep me for this post too you dillweed.
He lives for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by NI4NI
I positive repped youQuote:
Originally Posted by NI4NI
Compared to who in the G5? We get better ratings than your average MAC, Conference USA or Sunbelt team right now vs FCS competitionQuote:
Originally Posted by NI4NI
Thanks brother.
What is the point of a forum if you can't have different opinions?
Which is why we get $2M a year while MAC gets $670k, CUSA $750k, and Sunbelt an undisclosed sum greater than their previous $100k.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Rumor: Pac-12 anticipated to pursue expansion very soon
https://flywareagle.com/posts/rumor-...sion-very-soon
What do you think this means for MWC?Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
The MWC has those pesky (predatory?) buy-outs.Quote:
Originally Posted by NI4NI
Same link has WasSU and OrSU heading to the BXII.
They're all guessing.
lol, they've been pursing expansion ever since USC and UCLA left. How'd that go for them?Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Not good with high buyouts in the Mountain West, but the buyouts get smaller with advance noticeQuote:
Originally Posted by taper
I think it's a long shot but if the top FCS schools like Montana, Montana State, NDSU and SDSU want to launch the FBS era under the Pac 12 banner, that's tough to say no to
lol……lol…..lolQuote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
More like the PAC 12 raids the AAC and MWC and then we team up with the scraps that are left. Which at this point seems like our only real path forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
The total NDUS D1 athletic budget is around $60M, which fits right in with SDSU, UNLV, CSU, and Boise. So, no doubt, a nonredundant NDUS D1 model would be in discussion for the PAC rebuild. Maybe that’s what he meant …
With the 2 Montana schools and NDSU/SDSU any combination of existing AAC/MW/Pac2 teams is a solid conferenceQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
You had me confused a second then I re-read: NDUS ... total system, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
NDSUStudent has it right. If there is an opportunity it will come as backfill for MWC after PAC takes who they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
PAC actually has the money to do this. The PAC assets are nontrivial, and PAC-2 are only allowed to use them to rebuild.
I'm curious what assets you think the PAC has. They lost almost everything in the breakup.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
2PAC
Need 7 to be an FBS conference; 8 for scheduling
Get six from MWC
MWC buyout is $17M with two year notice; $34M with one year notice
6 * $17M = $102M <-- after revenue split, and paying off the misbilling of the PAC12 network deal, the 2PAC has that to hand over to the MWC remnants?
Also, look into WasSU and OrSU athletic budgets today. They were bleeding red ink in the PAC12; this "newPAC" won't have better revenues.
Not what I saw.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
Believe they won:
- control of PAC assets
- north of $120m in exit fees from departing schools
- CFP revenues, NCAA tourney shares
There were some restrictions placed on how they use the funds, believe the judgement giving them control said funds not distributed need to be used to rebuild.
This article puts the PAC 2 rebuild cash warchest at over $200m ... it just took a while for them to gain control.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2024/03/...he-conference/
This article on final settlement sure doesn't sound like a loss for PAC-2:
- $400m in PAC assets.
- departing schools agreed to forfeit some revenue, and additionally provide guarantees against future liabilities (eg: the PAC12 network deal)
https://sports.yahoo.com/oregon-stat...014834788.html
How does any of this equate to "lost almost everything" ?
Article is paywalled so I can't comment on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
PAC assets - what does that mean? PAC Network media equipment, office furniture, laptops, etc that will sell for pennies on the dollar if liquidated?
PAC has no exit fees. $0. Anyone saying otherwise is completely wrong and has no credibility at all. The departing schools agreed to some hold backs, but that was basically to pay the Comcast debt that they owed.
CFP went to per school payouts instead of per conference. The PAC2 are sending every penny of that to the MWC to buy a schedule the next 2 years. NCAAT shares won't even remotely fund conference head office expenses, much less anything distributed to the schools.
That $200M war chest is a joke. Can't read the paywalled article, but if you post excerpts I'll be happy to explain how they're wrong. My guess is they're still counting the per conference CFP payout and the Rose Bowl, both of which have disappeared.
Holy shit that's a lot of revenue. Way better than the Valley. We really need to team up with the Montana schools and SDSU because something will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
The xDSUs and the Montanas ain't USC, UCLA, UW, UO when it comes to revenue generation.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Frank reality: Most of the MWC is in better fiscal shape than the 2PAC.
https://dailyevergreen.com/168036/sp...wsu-athletics/
https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2...t-by-2025.html
WasSU and OrSU were not "left with", they were "left behind".
The article while interesting, also says WSU just approved building a new $27m IPF building, and that they will get control of “hundreds of millions” in assets the PAC has. $30m is a serious shortfall, and their own athletic department may face some cutbacks. They were operating on a P5 budget though, which are much larger than what G5 programs typically have.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
PAC 2 were told during the hearings they couldn’t simply pocket the PAC assets and must either distribute them or use them to rebuild. They have a large incentive to rebuild now, and funds to do it with. Rumors are floating they will announce something later this summer.
This story moved fast with a lot of questionable "journalism". Both articles above are from fall 2023. This one is March 2024 has direct on the record quotes.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/...exiting-pac-12
The $5Mx10 is basically the Comcast repayment. That was going to be withheld no matter what.Quote:
The departing schools will have $5 million withheld during the 2024 fiscal year for a total of $50 million under the deal announced Monday. The departing schools also will each pay a $1.5 million "supplemental contribution" to the conference that will be used by the remaining schools to navigate an uncertain future.
$1.5Mx10 is chump change at this level. It probably doesn't even pay the legal fees and staff buyouts.
PAC has no warchest. They're a financial basketcase.