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BigHorns
I'm just saying the best path in is to join MWC or MAC. We should be lobbying the hell out of them, and it does sound like those conversations have been happening.
If someday the doors actually lock, then sure, try whatever we have the funds and support to do. Threatening a lawsuit is easy, but wins you no friends. Actually winning a lawsuit is difficult and expensive. Your statement they all got what they wanted is a bit of a stretch. Liberty was stuck in independent status a very long time, and was losing millions upon millions of dollars buying home games until they finally got a conference invite. JMU didn't get considered for the NY6, and by a lot of metrics should have been in. And nobody else in recent history has been able to join FBS outside a conference invite. It's a last resort path, and not one that has any level of certainty.
MWC is about to add WSU and OSU to get to 14. MAC just added UMass for 13. Neither of those need or want us. That's a fact, unfortunate as it is.
Liberty has made a bowl game every year they've been eligible. Not possible to say they were locked out. All the G5s lose millions and millions of dollars, but that's a different thread.
Again, no lawsuits necessary. NCAA knows they're a walking anti-trust violation and has repeatedly caved rather than risk an even worse court ruling.
My point is the risk of a lockout is zero. It simply won't happen because it's illegal. Also that none of the G5s are interested in us, so our best chance is to do what we've done in the past and make our own way. If you're pro FBS like me, this is the path you should be pushing for, because it's the only realistic one.
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Story today about a possible settlement.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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NI4NI
Is there a path through pairing with SDSU and leveraging our mutual successful histories?
13 championship game appearances in the past 13 seasons. (11 championships)
I cannot understand why a conference would not want us? Sure it's threat to the conference bottom feeders, but winners in life don't view things in that way.
This should be an easy sell. I don't get it.
Fargo has a TV market, Brookings does not. Fargo has a Commercial Airport, Brookings Does Not, Neither of them are making Fargo any more attractive it appears than Brookings and yes Fargo has a greater Value than Brookings, just not enough People it appears.
we will see but I have lost all hope on anything, going to ride off into the sunset watching the NCC 2.0 i guess, or just hanging it up all together at the prices they are charging for the crap we get to watch.. pretty sad when I can go to Boulder for $96 and pay $50 to watch GF U in in Fargo
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taper
MWC is about to add WSU and OSU to get to 14. MAC just added UMass for 13. Neither of those need or want us. That's a fact, unfortunate as it is.
Liberty has made a bowl game every year they've been eligible. Not possible to say they were locked out. All the G5s lose millions and millions of dollars, but that's a different thread.
Again, no lawsuits necessary. NCAA knows they're a walking anti-trust violation and has repeatedly caved rather than risk an even worse court ruling.
My point is the risk of a lockout is zero. It simply won't happen because it's illegal. Also that none of the G5s are interested in us, so our best chance is to do what we've done in the past and make our own way. If you're pro FBS like me, this is the path you should be pushing for, because it's the only realistic one.
I dont see a Future of the MWC as it sits.
Boise
WAzzu
Oregon St
Nevada
SDSU
SJSU
CO St
UNLV
AIR FORCE
UTAH ST
FResno ST
would probably not be too scared to shit away Wyo, NM and Hawaii to get OSU and WAZZU, pretty much re-brand the PAC
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bisonaudit
Story today about a possible settlement.
Well that was certainly informative.
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tjbison
Fargo has a TV market, Brookings does not. Fargo has a Commercial Airport, Brookings Does Not, Neither of them are making Fargo any more attractive it appears than Brookings and yes Fargo has a greater Value than Brookings, just not enough People it appears.
we will see but I have lost all hope on anything, going to ride off into the sunset watching the NCC 2.0 i guess, or just hanging it up all together at the prices they are charging for the crap we get to watch.. pretty sad when I can go to Boulder for $96 and pay $50 to watch GF U in in Fargo
SDSU's TV market isn't Brookings, it eastern SD as well as SW MN.
Opponents can fly into Brookings, the primary runway will handle an A320 or a 737
I imagine SDSU is more attractive than we are to prospective conferences due to their performance other sports as well.
Would be arrogant (and probably wrong) to believe we are more appealing.
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NI4NI
SDSU's TV market isn't Brookings, it eastern SD as well as SW MN.
Opponents can fly into Brookings, the primary runway will handle an A320 or a 737
I imagine SDSU is more attractive than we are to prospective conferences due to their performance other sports as well.
Would be arrogant (and probably wrong) to believe we are more appealing.
^ look at this clown pretending to be a Bison fan
lol
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WhoRepsTheLurker
^ look at this clown pretending to be a Bison fan
lol
Just pointing out reality, sunshine.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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NI4NI
SDSU's TV market isn't Brookings, it eastern SD as well as SW MN.
Opponents can fly into Brookings, the primary runway will handle an A320 or a 737
I imagine SDSU is more attractive than we are to prospective conferences due to their performance other sports as well.
Would be arrogant (and probably wrong) to believe we are more appealing.
lol..ok
if you think anyone is looking at Fucking Brooking SD over Fargo for ease of travel and Eyeballs on TV you are totally ignorant or delusional
i can't even imagine you believe a word you said
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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NI4NI
Just pointing out reality, sunshine.
but ....its not there sunshine
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tjbison
lol..ok
if you think anyone is looking at Fucking Brooking SD over Fargo for ease of travel and Eyeballs on TV you are totally ignorant or delusional
i can't even imagine you believe a word you said
That's not at all what I said, and you know that. The point was/is that SDSU is just as appealing to a prospecting conference as we are, and it would be foolish to not leverage that when brokering a deal.
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NI4NI
SDSU's TV market isn't Brookings, it eastern SD as well as SW MN.
Opponents can fly into Brookings, the primary runway will handle an A320 or a 737
I imagine SDSU is more attractive than we are to prospective conferences due to their performance other sports as well.
Would be arrogant (and probably wrong) to believe we are more appealing.
I have no idea if that is true about the runway, but the bigger issue is the chartered flights used by football teams have all the same security, etc. EVERY team that has to fly to play SDSU comes in and out of Sioux Falls, including SDSU.
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Most anything can be overcome save for geography.
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I thought the same thing until looking into it. I was surprised that their website listed Oklahoma State as a 2023 visitor?
But even so, I would assume that FSD would still be the predominant choice.
https://cityofbrookings-sd.gov/223/Airport
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THEsocalledfan
This 100% is the conundrum and what has me personally worried. I challenged Matt Zimmer on this on Twitter, and he basically is "not concerned." I was thinking, well, you sure as hell should be, but he is a journalist and probably not wanting to ruffle feathers are SDSU.
Matt Zimmer is a journalist in the loosest of terms. SDSU Fanboy or Twitter Troll is more appropriate for he and his boy Zach "Ice" Borg. SD media is absolutely laughable.
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taper
MWC is about to add WSU and OSU to get to 14. MAC just added UMass for 13. Neither of those need or want us. That's a fact, unfortunate as it is.
This is where we disagree.
MAC likely will go to 14. WKU was rumored for that spot, but recent CUSA news that came along with the Missouri St add is that WKU will not be moving anytime soon. So MAC is in the hunt for at least one more.
MWC is not stable. There are still rumblings that PAC2 are going to take some of the MWC teams and reform the PAC. That could take some time though.
Believe ‘92 said here there have been confirmed discussions with MWC, and that we were pretty close/towards the top of the list for an invite.
If ML and company think the MWC door is about to open as the G5 separates from P4, then perhaps that is where they’ve placed their bets. If MWC is not an option, then we should be pushing hard to be #14 in the MAC.
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BisonJD
Matt Zimmer is a journalist in the loosest of terms. SDSU Fanboy or Twitter Troll is more appropriate for he and his boy Zach "Ice" Borg. SD media is absolutely laughable.
Really strange when he is now working for the Forum; you'd think he'd see the writing on the wall. I suppose they will figure it out eventually when the FCS train crashes into the station.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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NI4NI
SDSU's TV market isn't Brookings, it eastern SD as well as SW MN.
Opponents can fly into Brookings, the primary runway will handle an A320 or a 737
I imagine SDSU is more attractive than we are to prospective conferences due to their performance other sports as well.
Would be arrogant (and probably wrong) to believe we are more appealing.
Yeah you clearly don't understand TV markets. Brookings Airport is the size of Jamestown. Fargo is getting a 200 million dollar upgrade and was ten times better before that. Claiming Sioux Falls as Brookings is like Grand Forks or Jamestown claiming Fargo
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HerdBot
Yeah you clearly don't understand
Quite a thread could be started with just this heading...
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HerdBot
Yeah you clearly don't understand TV markets. Brookings Airport is the size of Jamestown. Fargo is getting a 200 million dollar upgrade and was ten times better before that. Claiming Sioux Falls as Brookings is like Grand Forks or Jamestown claiming Fargo
You know those ratings are flawed. They don't take in account households with more then 2 tv sets and other things of that nature.
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The_Sicatoka
That would benefit lower levels of football for sure but getting through season would be difficult. You need pratice squad players
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TransAmBison
Quite a thread could be started with just this heading...
and when you do what will be that ever important initial post?
must spread rep btw.
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HerdBot
Yeah you clearly don't understand TV markets. Brookings Airport is the size of Jamestown. Fargo is getting a 200 million dollar upgrade and was ten times better before that. Claiming Sioux Falls as Brookings is like Grand Forks or Jamestown claiming Fargo
You seem to believe that SDSU will never be FBS simply because Brookings is a smaller city. I on the other hand believe that when an invite is extended to NDSU it will also be extended to SDSU. I could be wrong, time will tell.
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HerdBot
Yeah you clearly don't understand TV markets. Brookings Airport is the size of Jamestown. Fargo is getting a 200 million dollar upgrade and was ten times better before that. Claiming Sioux Falls as Brookings is like Grand Forks or Jamestown claiming Fargo
NDSU's market is North Dakota and a chunk of Minnesota, I think? What is SDSU's? Presumably something similar?
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ByeSonBusiness
NDSU's market is North Dakota and a chunk of Minnesota, I think? What is SDSU's? Presumably something similar?
Agreed. IU's market isn't Bloomington and Purdue's market isn't Lafayette. Both are Indiana plus a good reach regionally in Chicago and other cities. The Dakota schools at definitely statewide plus western Minnesota.
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NDSU's media deal is $2M/yr. SDSU is $1.3M but that ends in 2026 and with their recent success I expect their new contract to be pretty close to ours. SDSU is certainly no slouch in the market.
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taper
NDSU's media deal is $2M/yr. SDSU is $1.3M but that ends in 2026 and with their recent success I expect their new contract to be pretty close to ours. SDSU is certainly no slouch in the market.
NDSU is statewide coverage. Everyone gets it. Midco is a dying Network that is laying off employees and cutting programming because nobody has cable and they need a subscription to stream. I would be surprised if SDSU renews with them
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HerdBot
NDSU is statewide coverage. Everyone gets it. Midco is a dying Network that is laying off employees and cutting programming because nobody has cable and they need a subscription to stream. I would be surprised if SDSU renews with them
The question is would a Sioux Falls station step up. As long as Midco continues to offer something, I'm doubtful they are going anywhere. Only possibilities would be KELO or KSFY if they would step up. If they could get KELO, it would be huge and quick state wide tv coverage.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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NI4NI
You seem to believe that SDSU will never be FBS simply because Brookings is a smaller city. I on the other hand believe that when an invite is extended to NDSU it will also be extended to SDSU. I could be wrong, time will tell.
I tend to agree.
A reasonable scenario is something like NDSU/SDSU/UM/MSU going to MWC as a package deal.
However, if the destination was MAC instead, it could be only one school taking the #14 slot. I don't think they are looking to add more than one school right now.
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ByeSonBusiness
NDSU's market is North Dakota and a chunk of Minnesota, I think? What is SDSU's? Presumably something similar?
yep, same but NDSU is in a small METRO not a 50mile away satellite town.
not at all saying they couldn't join, but for anyone to think Brookings is more attractive is just absurd
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NI4NI
You seem to believe that SDSU will never be FBS simply because Brookings is a smaller city. I on the other hand believe that when an invite is extended to NDSU it will also be extended to SDSU. I could be wrong, time will tell.
I agree with that.
But you implied Brookings is more attractive than Fargo to conferences, which is where most people laughably disagree
Honestly the argument that Fargo (or Brookings) is in the middle of nowhere is stupid. We're both the biggest team in our respective states and fan bases extend to Minneapolis. There is a reason NDSU has a radio affiliate in Minneapolis. There is a reason the Bison drew 22,546 fans vs a mediocre Eastern Washington team in Minneapolis. Minnesota is a 2nd home to us. SDSU has a good sized fan base there too
Fargo population within a 100 mile radius is 697,738. 100 mile radius of Brookings is a tad bigger at 741,251 although it's an hour from Sioux Falls, the major population center and Brookings is only 23,993 and growing at a snails pace. It's actually shrunk since 2019 but the population around it is growing
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HerdBot
I agree with that.
But you implied Brookings is more attractive than Fargo to conferences, which is where most people laughably disagree
No, I was making the point that SDSU is just as viable (being FBS) as NDSU and pursuing a 'joint effort' is worth considering.
You were actually the one making the absurd 'Little Brookings vs Huge Fargo' point.
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SDSU doesn’t want to move up anyway, it appears
https://twitter.com/IceBorg/status/1790773043989471390
Doesn’t bother me, and I got no problem with all future marker games being in Fargo if they choose to stay behind
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NI4NI
No, I was making the point that SDSU is just as viable (being FBS) as NDSU and pursuing a 'joint effort' is worth considering.
You were actually the one making the absurd 'Little Brookings vs Huge Fargo' point.
And it’s absurd,as brookings is in the Sioux Falls tv market which ranks 112
Ndsu is in Fargo the 113th television market
What they want is tv sets
which in turns equals advertising dollars and we both equally suck in this statistic
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unbison
And it’s absurd,as brookings is in the Sioux Falls tv market which ranks 112
Ndsu is in Fargo the 113th television market
What they want is tv sets
which in turns equals advertising dollars and we both equally suck in this statistic
For sure. The appeal of either school has nothing to do with the TV market they bring, we can agree that both schools would already be FBS if they were in larger markets. Their asset is in the competitiveness they offer, that's the only card they have to play. The potential of making the product of a given conference more appealing. People do want to watch good games and we both bring that to the table.
At least that's how I see it.
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WhoRepsTheLurker
The difference is SDSU is just now enjoying their first success and spotlight in FCS that NDSU has had for a decade. Give it a few more years and maybe the novelty will have worn off. If we move to FBS that changes the game regionally.
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BigHorns
The difference is SDSU is just now enjoying their first success and spotlight in FCS that NDSU has had for a decade. Give it a few more years and maybe the novelty will have worn off. If we move to FBS that changes the game regionally.
Their fans will go nuts if NDSU moves up and they don't. LOL
However, that makes future 'Dakota Marker' games kind of a 'must win'. (very embarrassing to lose)
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WhoRepsTheLurker
I wouldn't consider that podcast a source
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unbison
And it’s absurd,as brookings is in the Sioux Falls tv market which ranks 112
Ndsu is in Fargo the 113th television market
What they want is tv sets
which in turns equals advertising dollars and we both equally suck in this statistic
Both teams are much larger than their TV market. NDSU is basically the entire state. SDSU is similar
But Brookings as a standalone town is pretty small time. It's an hour from Sioux Falls. It's like Valley City or Jamestown claiming they are the #113th market
