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So maybe if after everything falls into place and it appears we need to move up...maybe it will seem the same to peer institutions like Montana, SDSU, etc. Maybe then it would be time to form a new conference in FBS? This would only work if we could still keep our yearly deal with St Cloud St.*
*Now that this game has been mentioned I don't want to jeopardize it!
Again, you are correct in regards to the SHAC, but lets face it, basketball isn't exactly a high priority in Fargo. Football is king and will be able to raise a heck of lot more money and a lot faster than BB. A new stadium isn't an immediate concern if we move to a G5 conference. That can come later and maybe with a creative funding mechanism. Again, there are real obsticles, but nothing that can't be overcome in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life
I want to be clear, I'm not pushing for an immediate move up at all costs. I just think that if FBS games dry up and we end up having to schedule D2 teams, we will have no choice but to move on from FCS. It never hurts to have a plan in place just in case. See the school to the north for a reference as to no plan.
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Originally Posted by TransAmBison
This could be a very real possibility, but it doesn't hurt to start making plans. I really don't want us to be playing D2 teams on a regular basis and I don't think a majority of our fans want to see that either.
I agree it's harder to raise money for basketball infrastructure than football but it may be a better investment because of the March Madness gravy train.
A FBS conference will never look at NDSU with a 19k stadium, period. The Chicken would have to come before the egg here.Quote:
Originally Posted by LITTLEGUYSINGREEN
As for FBS teams, they aren't absolutely necessary. There are 125 teams in FCS, with proper planning there should be no problems filling out a schedule. Montana is the same size and geographic isolation and they are just fine where they are.
Visiting team ticket allotment. Carry on.
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I'm not saying you're wrong about this but I am saying it's ridiculous. Just check out the weekly MACtion tweets commenting on empty stadiums from Dom and Jeff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life
Another reason this whole idea is stupid. There is a disconnect between expectation and fulfillment of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
NDSU right now beats the attendance figures for a ton of G5 teams. Unfortunately, they have an incredibly outsized idea of their own importance so they will still insist on a much loftier number.
You don't know for sure that a FBS conference would never look at us with a 19,000 seat stadium. Our stadium size meets the NCAA minimum requirement for size. As for Montana, they end up scheduling D2 teams quite frenquently. If we want 6 home games a year, we need a team to come here with no return. Out of the 125 FCS teams, that list gets narrowed to a short few who will take that arrangement and we aren't the only team looking for this same arrangement, hence the D2 scheduling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life
There are only 3 teams who use a stadium smaller than the Fargodome.Quote:
Originally Posted by LITTLEGUYSINGREEN
Idaho's Kibbie Dome (they might drop football or go back to FCS)
UMass on campus stadium, even though they regularly use Gillette Stadium
UNCC Richardson Stadium.
Only one team, UNCC, built their stadium to the minimum FBS requirement and they have a media market Fargo couldn't touch.
Do we really want to be at the bottom of this list? I still don't see any material benefit to any of this.
It's not the size of the boat it's the motion of the ocean. But having said that, I'm not in favor of moving up now, I'm a monitor and be prepared guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life
The material benefit would be the ability to play FBS teams vs. D2. Personally, I have zero interest in seeing us play the Incarnate Word's of the football world and I know I am not alone in this thinking. This is a wasted game on the schedule. The media interest generated by FBS games can't be matched by any other game all season. Fan interest in FBS games is only equaled by the playoffs and national championship, also playing (and beating) FBS teams is a feather in our cap when it comes to recruiting. The move to FBS would create more fan and media interest in the Bison. Georgia Southern has seen an increase in donor money since they made the move to FBS, I don't see why the same wouldn't hold true for us. It would be a plus for the entire athletic department and the university as a whole, much like the initial move to D1 was a plus for the entire university.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life
Are there obstacles to moving up? Yes, some larger than others, but I don't think any of them are impossible to overcome. Do we need to move right now? No, not at all, but eventually we will have ridden this horse as long as we can and it will be time to find a new horse. When will be that time? I have no idea, but it will come eventually.
If the FBS games go away our exposure and recruiting will suffer, maybe suffer immensely in regards to exposure.
I think the FCS is turning into more of a D2+ and I think the new scholarship rules might just accelerate it since the gap between the haves and have nots will grow larger. Wouldn't be shocked if scholarship cuts talks heat up, the Socon has already threw it around if FBS games become more scarce.
NDSU belongs with G5 schools....hard part though is getting in that group. I don't sit here and pound my fist saying we need to jump, but it isn't because I don't think it is a good idea it is 100% because I don't see where we would go.
I ask people who think that we would be hurt having to schedule a D2 team, like Montana does.
Do you have a ticket to the Montana game yet? Is it going to be easy to do so?
LOL at you for responding to to my requote at 8am.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10
Nah dude. Frisco all the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
Heading to Frisco. New Frisco zip code is 58103 and the new area code is 701 lollolololol.
Conversations behind the scenes dont need to be made public because the speculative bullshit would be much worse than it is now. This administration knows what needs to be done. They have already said that they are waiting for the shake out to happen and the dust to settle. They have already said its going to take about 5 years for it all to come about and we need to be in position to make a move when the opportunity arises. What more do people need to know?Quote:
Originally Posted by LITTLEGUYSINGREEN
I agree. G5 conferences have no incentive to expand past 12 programs.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
The P5 already has broken off . Now the only question is who from the G5 drops out and will they entertain their own playoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
They'll have to. With no chance for any P5 teams participating, the bowl sponsorships are going to dry up pretty quickly. I'd be surprised if any remain.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
I always thought any "Shake-up" would really be more of a gradual progression. The post you quoted above makes me even more convinced that it will be GRADUAL and might not even happen. That $60 Million for the G5 is chump change. Heck, even the larger amounts for the P5 conferences isn't really all that much money. Consider that the B1G will probably distribute $25-30 Million to each school from their TV network (That's about $400 Million for the conference as a whole). The money is staggering and $60 Million to keep some cupcakes hanging around to beef up the W/L records doesn't seem like such a bad deal for the P5.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Doesn't ESPN own a ton of the small bowls? It may take some time. They've got broadcast hours to fill and even a big playoff would constrain when they could air games. The whole bowl thing makes it easy for them to program because they can play the games more or less whenever they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life
Whats the deal? How many tickets do we get. Will they pay travel expenses. Will gameday be there? What about tailgating? Will they charge for it? How much? Where will the alumni tent be?Quote:
Originally Posted by TransAmBison
This year, seven of the 35 college football bowl games played are owned and operated by ESPN Regional Television: the BBVA Compass Bowl, Beef ‘O’ Brady’s Bowl, Bell Helicopters Bowl, MAACO Bowl Las Vegas, Gildan New Mexico Bowl, Meineke Car Care Bowl of Texas and Sheraton Hawai’i Bowl. Each of the seven bowls is broadcast on either ESPN or ESPN2.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
Only 2 of those bowls, the New Mexico and Hawaii Bowls didn't have P5 schools in them. They still need the P5 to keep the system going to generate any interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
I heard we have to go there twice with no return visits. The buyout is North Dakota has to cede the oil fields to Minnesota.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Just take it out of the student section...they never show up anyway. PurpleQuote:
Originally Posted by Tatanka
Watching espnu this morning and Auburn is thinking cost of attendance for them will be around $6,000. This will ruin college athletics if it becomes that much. But NCAA has allowed the p5 to put college sports on a slippery slope.
In 2013 the Auburn football team generated $75 million in revenue. Paying these athletes to got to school, guaranteeing them the opportunity to get an education and health care in the event they're injured generating that money for the institution and the people who run it is not going to ruin college athletics. It just may save college athletics from itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Meaty
Interesting read "The big 2015 Georgia Southern football guide: Could've moved up years ago"
http://www.sbnation.com/college-foot...chedule-roster
I'm convinced NDSU shouldve went up during the Walker/Mays days!!!
GSU dominated the Sunbelt but did they really gain anything? I didn't hear anymore about them then when they were in FCS. Did they gain a lot more financial wise? More donors?? I honestly would like to see the numbers from 2012 compared to 2014.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mayville Bison
There is no doubt NDSU or any of the top 10 FCS schools would be very competitive in the MAC or Sun Belt. Did GSU get any additional TV exposure and if so, did they have to play games on weeknights?
Most were on Gameplan, 2 on ESPNU (both on Thur), 1 on CBSSN.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammerhead
We've had what like 100 games on the mothership.
FBS is for suckers.
I live 2 hours away from Southern and this is the most TV exposure I have ever seen locally. I only recall seeing an App/GSU game on PBS (not kidding) and the Florida game on Sun Sports (obscure Florida sports network).Quote:
Originally Posted by ndsubison1
I work with a guy that is a big appy fan. He was against the move up and says they've lost their momentum. That doesn't necessarily say anything about NDSU, until something changes I don't see SU moving up. When/if there is another shakeup, I'm sure the admin will be ready to pounce.
EKU to FBS if new pres gets his way #EKU AD Steve Lochmueller says goal is to move football from FCS to FBS soon. http://t.co/053LPVdrUs http://t.co/dGVETWjAyZ" CMON NDSU !!!
Also. TARLETON STATE is moving up to FCS.
2 more reasons for NDSU. Not 1 fargo media member has questioned ndsu admin about this or asked them why haven't they "marketed or sold NDSU to a fbs conference yet?"
So 3 months since our 4th straight title and NDSU admin. Can't even get NDSU a mention at a conference meeting? Or a site visit? Cmon dudes FBS is needed we are at the pinnacle time to move up. What do some of you want 23 straight titles?
Right now, I am focused on 5. However, twenty three does sound like a solid longer term goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo