For sure. .NDSU just took it and it seems like half the people who care were more than OK with the decision.Quote:
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For sure. .NDSU just took it and it seems like half the people who care were more than OK with the decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
Yes, it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
We saw a lot of people on here crying because we have a difficult path. At least we have a path.
JMU to Fort Worth bowl vs Air Force academy.
That JMU team will be totally different than the regular season version. Coaches and how many players leaving?Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
AF not too bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Legit game there.
Huh? Isn’t Liberty playing Oregon in the Fiesta Bowl?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Yes, not sure how this threat went off track. Liberty (from the CUSA) is the G5 representative in the NY6 bowl. So for all of those out there that hate on CUSA, they did accomplish something this year that no other G5 conference did.Quote:
Originally Posted by GRAFTONBISON
Bighorns won’t let facts get in the way of his anti-CUSA narrative. Awesome for Liberty and CUSA.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
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Here is the schedule for the Mountain West teams playing in Bowls. It includes the game time (Pacific Time) and TV channel.
December 16th
New Mexico Bowl
Fresno State vs New Mexico State 2:45 PM ESPN
Los Angeles Bowl
Boise State vs UCLA 4:45 PM ABC
December 23rd
Armed Forces Bowl
Air Force vs James Madison 12:30 PM ABC
Idaho Potato Bowl
Utah State vs Georgia State 12:30 PM ESPN
Hawaii Bowl
San Jose State vs Costal Carolina 7:30 PM ESPN
December 26th
Guatantee Rate Bowl
UNLV vs Kansas 6 PM ESPN
December 30th
Arizona Bowl
Wyoming vs Toledo 1:30 PM CW network.
Go Mountain West Teams
CUSA it is!! Time to move up and see if they want us.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
In that order.
Maybe they shouldn't have played the easiest schedule in the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
I was foolishly putting too much trust in McMurphy, who is considered a very reputable reporter on these things. A few other analysts were all predicting the same outcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
He prematurely announced that SMU was in, and turned out to be wrong. I should have verified before posting in response to his tweet.
Having said that:
1) Congratulations to Liberty. This will be a great experience for them.
2) It's beyond baffling what the committee did with FSU and Liberty. The logic they applied showed this is completely subjective. Penalized FSU because they were winning with a backup QB instead of a starter, while rewarding Liberty for winning the weakest schedule (#133 SOS) in all of FBS.
3) It took every other top G5 conference champion losing 2 games, and JMU being ineligible to produce this result. Tulane gets the spot with a win over SMU.
4) Sagarin ratings: #2 Oregon, #21 SMU, #47 Liberty.
I expect the Ducks to win in a landslide. Hope Liberty keeps things close.
Charlie Baker proposing a new subdivision for "high resource" teams/conferences.
This is the split between P4 and G5 that has been rumored coming to fruition.
https://x.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/...350242747?s=20
I could have shortened that by simply taking 5-6 of the bullet points and writing "pay your athletes as much as you can, however you want"Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
It's coming straight from the NCAA, which is a little different, no? Almost has a preemptive feel. Hate to lose those cash cows after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Plus this split - if indeed it were to happen - would likely occur within the P4 imo
Is he giving any specific monetary metrics for division?
It's what TAILG8R said above, essentially unlimited spending on pay to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Minimum is around $6m/year, on top of all other FBS costs and requirements.
What I suspect we will see is largely a split by conference, with nearly all the P4 members joining, and the G5 left behind.
This is the split between those schools with $50-100m budgets and those that don't have it.
Preemptive? I’m not sure what’s preemptive about finally doing something only after you’ve lost in court and no doubt will only continue to lose in court until you compensate your employees for their work.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Keep the big $$ schools from leaving the NCAA banner (which would knock the NCAA down a few pegs for sure, eh?). Paying the athletes is already here and the NCAA has accepted thatQuote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
Seems to be targeting most of the P4 (~70 schools), but hard to say without details
So P4 finally get a playoff and the G5 get to keep the bowls ... lol
Not that this would happen but could NDSU if it had funding in place choose to opt into the highest level? Dellinger has stated that ANY d1 school could opt in.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
P4 will take the major bowls with them, and the NY6 will be part of the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
The smaller bowls like Frisco may keep their G5 tie-ins.
I'd expect a P4 conference invite would still be required, at least to feasibly put a schedule together.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
We won't have the cash to buy those home games like Liberty did, and P4 aren't likely to give us enough home and away games.
This is a move to lock the gates of upper tier football, and let them spend as many millions as they please on players.
The more interesting question is what happens with G5 now, and how do they restructure.
The more they expand the playoffs the more likely we'll see the end of the use of bowls or neutral sites. You won't see fans travel 3-4 weeks in enough numbers to see their team play. Add in the conference championship game for some of the teams and it could be as many as 5 straight neutral site games. Plus the bowl games are much more than just the games. Will those organizations invest their time, money, and energy for a quarter final week?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
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What about the other 98% of college athletes who don’t generate any revenue? Should they have their scholarships revoked since many sports don’t generate enough revenue to even cover that cost?Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
I'm not sure how many of the G5 Bowls will survive. Some of those like Frisco bowl aren't always well attended.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndyBison
I think nearly all the P4 ones do though, either as playoff games, or essentially holiday exhibitions. Those schools have huge fanbases that travel well, and its good for the cities and fills television slots.
Maybe we see 5-10 bowls disappear, but the vast majority stick around is my prediction. All about the television, travel, and money involved.
G5 Bowls are largely junk.
Now a G5 playoff would be awesome.
Will the Rose Bowl be interested in hosting the 13th and 18th ranked teams (or 26th and 29th if they expand to 24 teams)? It won't have the same cache, especially since it will be happening around the time of playoff games getting all the hype.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
The G5 bowls may still exist if they go that route but I don't know how successful they'll be. A similar number of fans may still travel to them but they likely have a smaller viewing audience and broadcast fees. There are some D2 conferences that play bowl games between teams that don't make the playoffs. The G5 could become similar, but I don't know if they would sustain them.
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Rose Bowl will BE one of the quarterfinal or semifinal playoff games every year, as will the other NY6 bowls.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndyBison
This is already worked out and agreed to. The major bowls are in no danger. They will be hosting the hype.
What happens to the smaller G5 bowls when the P4 and G5 split is a bit more up in the air.
That will not be successful. 3-4 consecutive neutral site games will not be supported. Many fans already choose between either the conference championship game and a bowl game. Two fanbases now have to choose between 3 neutral and that may be the maximum. Plus the NY6 games being a quarterfinal greatly reduces everything else around them that generate revenue. They will need to go to hosted sites for round 1 and quarterfinals at least. If they stay neutral for semifinal, they'll put them up for bid like the championship game.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
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Yep. There is maybe a handful of teams with the requisite fanbases to routinely support such a team through several neutral site games.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndyBison
I guess the alternative is local football fans buy up the remaining balance of tickets?
Yeah, probably somewhat similar to March MadnessQuote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
They've wasted decades not figuring that one out.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU_grad
That's a good point. It seems like they want it both ways. If they're 'employees' who should be fairly compensated because schools are raking in 'millions', then shouldn't the 'employees' who aren't driving the revenue be fired? Or now are they students again? LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU_grad
I have no idea how of if they restructured G5 but I do think it is likely the conferences would strive to be more regional.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
I agree that most Bowl games are primarily only interesting to the fans of the schools participating. I might catch a bowl games with a conference mates in the mix but I certainly don't care about any of the other bowl games..Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
As for a G5 playoff, I just don't see the appeal. It would be like selecting the 12 best AAA baseball teams. Winning the breakaway P4 playoff would be big and incredibly lucrative..Duking it out to see who is the 60th best college team is a massive yawner.
I think a playoff does work for FCS because they are a pretty self contained unit overall. Just not seeing as viable for schools not going to the breakaway leagues.
Guess what, those handful of teams are the ones that will be there: OSU, UGA, Penn St, Alabama, Michigan, Clemson, Oregon, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
These will be major events, hosted in big cities. The college football equivalent of NFL Conference titles and Superbowl.
The G5 will be gone from the picture. There's no problem for the top of P4 filling those bowls.
We're talking about teams that draw 75-100k+ to every game.
They draw those fans for home games. Let's use Penn State as an example. Their fans would have to travel to Indy for the B1G championship. Then as the #5 seed they have to play a first round game and they'll play the #12 seed in the Cotton Bowl in Dallas. For arguments sake, let's say that's Boise State. Not an exciting opponent for them so maybe a lot of alumni opt not to go. Their quarterfinal is the weekend before Christmas and they play at the Rose Bowl against #4 seed Oregon. This is the 3rd straight weekend their fans have had to travel.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
They pull off the upset and advance to the Fiesta Bowl in Phoenix against #8 Virginia Tech, who also had an upset in the quarters. They win as the favorite to advance to the finals against #2 Texas. They have a shorter trip to Atlanta for the championship game. To get their though, they had to ask their alumni to travel on consecutive weeks to Indy, Dallas, LA (Christmas week), Phoenix, and Atlanta.
With the holidays and multiple trips these games won't have the attendance they do today. The energy around the game at the other bowls will go away. They'll be TV darlings, but the organizations that plan the bowls and related events will struggle to sustain with a lot of lost revenue.
The Cotton Bowl wouldn't be happy going that early and likely getting a blowout game. They would go to hosted sites fairly quickly making the Coton Bowl a bowl between non playoff teams and will struggle even more. The Rose Bowl would only make the semifinal host every other year and rather than being a NY6 Bowl of top teams would host non playoff teams that have players opt out to prepare for the draft. And it would be played during the week to avoid conflict with the playoffs or NFL.
They will eventually expand to 24 or 32 games adding another week. Maybe that's when we lose conference championship games, too. I think 8 is the breaking point between meaningful bowls and a full playoff.
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I don't see the field growing nearly that large when the P4/G5 split happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndyBison
They may stay at 12, or grow it to 16 at most. There's roughly 70 teams in the P4.
Four teams from each conference on average seems more than sufficient.
Give the rest of the P4 teams with winning records a bowl game, same as today. Done.
Fargodome Fail
Time for NDSU STADIUM—
Hope you got $500m in cartel money for the cause Chapo.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
If that does happen I see less interest in those other bowls and they go away. Maybe to a G5 playoff or G5 and FCS merge into one playoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
I've said for several years they should either have a bowl system with no national champion or a playoff to determine a champion. They made both with 2 or 4 teams, but as the last few years have shown, many teams lose players either to transfers or the draft. And now we have 5 win teams in bowls. I still love watching the bowls regardless, but I also watch D2, D3, and NAIA playoff games!
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