The media deal is not likely sustainable if fan engagement continues to decline. That doesn't even factor in what they could lose in ticket revenue and donor dollars if fan engagement continues to decline.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
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The media deal is not likely sustainable if fan engagement continues to decline. That doesn't even factor in what they could lose in ticket revenue and donor dollars if fan engagement continues to decline.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
Based on everything I've heard, the only engagement clearly down is attendance. Dom and McFeely have said over and over ratings are excellent, and all the metrics they look at have never really had a drop off.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Will that continue? Who knows, but it is a real risk of taking a crappy conference deal. Again, not defending status quo, but very important consideration.
Maybe. Just think it would be difficult to bet on media engagement remaining strong when attendance is declining as much as it is. Might be slower to decline since there is less asked of the consumer but it will follow.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-ore...180632163.html
For everyone saying we ask MWC for FB only no matter the terms, now we know them. PAC-2 apparently agreed to pay $14M for 6 games each and no share of the media deal.
Apples and Oranges imo. Not saying any conference is willing to give out football only memberships but the PAC2 have $$ and an IMMEDIATE need to have a schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
And they're overpaying in the hopes of not having to be locked into a long term agreement with the MWC in the event that better options become available.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
Exactly. They have the money to buy one years worth of games and see how things play out. They have enough money to buy additional years if needed too.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
What money? PAC media deal ends this summer and nothing else is lined up. That's an instant $30M budget hole they have no hope of filling. CFP has gone to per school instead of per conference payouts, and this MWC deal just ate that up. They're getting somewhere around $20M in MBB credits, but if it took $14M just for a FB schedule, how much will it cost for the rest of their programs? Rose Bowl is a CFP game now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
As of right now they control the remaining PAC12 money.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
https://news.yahoo.com/state-supreme...194923753.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Washington State Supreme Court says otherwise. There's a near zero chance WSU and OSU will get to keep the entire conference's money from this year. All 12 members are in full compliance with the media contract and deserve equal media payouts.
I guess we’ll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
Idk if that means they have a near zero chance. They put it on hold.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
Don’t argue with him. He’s in the know. NDSU is headed to the WAC anyway so this whole thread is moot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
The lower court actually had stated that OSU/WSU were reasonably entitled to spend some of this year's earnings (ballpark $400m?) on efforts to rebuild the conference. There is corporate law that supports this position.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
The other schools who want to maximize their earnings naturally appealed. Just because the lower courts temporary injunction is on hold pending review doesn't mean it will be reversed.
Ultimately, PAC 2 will get control of the conference imo. The real question is how quickly, and how much of the earnings and assets do they get to retain. Second question is do they intend to fold the tent, or rebuild PAC?
A lot of indicators they would like to rebuild. If they succeed, and pull schools from AAC and MWC, there will be openings. And I believe we would be very well positioned for MWC. AAC would likely look elsewhere.
Yes, and in addition the PAC 2 overtures to AAC and SBC were rejected.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
PAC 2 need a schedule just to exist. Scheduling FBS games is not optional to maintain FBS status.
MWC has to be concerned some of their best schools could be poached by PAC after the dust settles.
Given the leverage MWC has at the moment, and current income and assets PAC-2 are about to "inherit", $14m is actually a reasonable ask.
No G5 conference has ever asked something similar of a FCS school that joins.
Dellenger agrees with you. Far from zero indeed. Taper has an agendaQuote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-ore...180632163.html
I'd like to hear this agenda of mine. Didn't know I had that kind of power.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Over the past year or so I've seen the PAC plan, want, and wish many things. None of them worked out. Pretty sure this won't either. That's not an agenda, it's an observation.
Bigger picture, what the “PAC” wanted was payouts matching the B1G and B12. A large number of the PAC member schools achieved that goal. The two left behind are collateral damage to the others achieving their goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
I don’t think PAC is dead yet.
so WE ALL WANTED NDSU TO MOVE 5-6 years ago.
WELL LOOKY HERE.
JAMES MADISON and JACKONSVILLE STATE are playing in Bowl Games in 2023. WOW.
(should be NDSU)
Pac-2 Conference
@pac2conference
we’ve been engaged in aggressive and thorough outreach to the NDSU administration and despite set backs lawsuits and restraining orders we remain undeterred in our attempts to get them to join our beautiful strong illustrious conference
Sounds Legit.
Many of you may think PL/56Bison is blowing smoke when he says there are still many huge donors with lots of $$ still pissed about what happened pregame v. Central Ark in fall of 20. He’s not—guarantee that.
We need those people back in order to make the jump financially, so ML has some work to do and I believe this issue is holding us back a bit and ML knows it. We need $$ to move up, so this is part of the problem right now.
The kneeling nonsense?Quote:
Originally Posted by CAS4127
That account is a riotQuote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
https://x.com/pac2conference/status/...HQPKWSmnUDKjxg
https://x.com/pac2conference/status/...HQPKWSmnUDKjxg
That and the way the admin handled those issues and the back lash involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by NI4NI
Most recently I heard that the Rectum--Spectrum published pro Palestinian propaganda. NDSU is going to lose some money over that as well.
Insane. Won't say more because that's another can of worms.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Yes it is. But its all under the NDSU umbrella.Quote:
Originally Posted by NI4NI
Well, not good.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Universities should stay out of political issues regardless the topic.
Makes me question leadership sometimes when they don't.
Pretty typical and petty response to blame the administration for something published in what is supposed to be an independent student newspaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
And yet we just had the biggest Giving Day ever….Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Just think how much better it could have been.Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
Just one of many issues. They all start adding up.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
It’s so awesome. HahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Speaking of the student-run paper called the Spectrum, Mr. FCS himself shows his true opinion fwiw
https://twitter.com/SamHerderFCS/sta...20424438317503
'Bison, even on a "down" year, have outgrown the FCS. Yes, it's been time for them to go FBS for years now.'
Coastal Carolina will be in Hawaii Bowl Dec 23
9 years ago they were in the FargoDome.
Wow NDSU admin sucks.... we could all be in Hawaii for Christmas!!
Cignetti to IU...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/oth...32524a4d&ei=45
Should be excited for all 400 fans that's for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Hawaii would be tight on short notice, but my wife and kids love it there, so we'd likely make it happen. School's out too, which would make it easier.
Ditto. Got married on top of Diamond Head and went back with our daughter before covid. Awesome trip and one-of-a-kind placeQuote:
Originally Posted by No_Skill
In other FBS news, looks like Indiana has a new coach ...
You hiked up all those stairs in a suit and dress?
Right? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by No_Skill
We're both second-timers so we dressed accordingly, but was still dripping sweat
My wife has an aunt in Honolulu and she and her husband were the only guests (besides all the strangers)
Big Rainbow Warrior fans who would love to see NDSU in the MWC, fwiw