und as well. they are a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
but JMU & JAX ST both have 5 FBS wins!!!
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und as well. they are a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
but JMU & JAX ST both have 5 FBS wins!!!
The teams that JSU has beaten have a Grand total of 1 FBS win between all of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
That ONE win? A 19-17 win by EMU over UMass. YAY! :rofl:
That CUSA schedule is softer than soft. They could go undefeated and few would really care.
I expect them to finish around 8-4, just due to how weak the conference is.
Conference is objectively better than the MVFC. As is their schedule YTD.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
JSU has 4 FBS wins. 1 of their wins is against ETSU, who is FCS.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
JMU has 4 FBS wins. 1 of their wins was against Bucknell.
Believe what you will, I won't change it; Chaves is setting things in place for whatever may come.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
https://www.grandforksherald.com/spo...means-fbs-jump
Not really, when you look at results. CUSA got their asses kicked OOC.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Sagarin gives them a VERY slight edge, only because MVFC is larger and has a couple dregs at the bottom.
Drop the bottom 3 dregs, and MVFC is clearly better. Put our top 9 against the CUSA 9, and we win nearly every matchup.
Even with the dregs its close, and I'm not convinced CUSA will finish above MVFC at season end.
15 CONF-USA (A) = 57.25
16 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 55.13
Lol not the “take out the bottom quarter of our conference” argument again…Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
What's going to happen when UND moves up and we stay in FCS? Yikes.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Massey, today, top nine of each:Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
63 Liberty/SDSU 57
75 WKU/S Ill 79
92 Jacksonville St/NDSU 93
125 Louisiana Tech/USD 118
141 MTSU/UNI 120
143 New Mexico St/UND 129
152 Florida Intl/YSU 157
153 Sam Houston St/MoiSt 160
154 UTEP/IllSt 165
Like Chaves says, strength in staying together. Going as a group makes for more stable, predictable budgets.Quote:
Originally Posted by DePereBisonFan
oh of course he will BEG for that. what a sad pathetic place of delusion up there.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
How about the bottom nine? The top 29.4% of each conference? The middle 90%? Take our best team and multiply their score by 5 and then divide by CUSA’s worst?Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Or just objectively compare them head to head without needlessly manipulating data.
I did pick the bottom nine of CUSA.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
CUSA has ... nine, so I picked nine.
Objectively?
The numbers are Massey ratings.
The "/" denotes nothing but a separator in a side-by-side comparison.
Taking three teams out of one conference because it helps one’s argument is the opposite of objective.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Nope. The facts are the top MVFC teams are better than the top CUSA teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
This vaunted JSU team is now Sagarin #123, and the MTSU team they beat is #129. That’s like UND beating Incarnate Word, only UND is better than JSU.
For FBS, it’s the bottom conference and absolute garbage. It would be a decent FCS conference.
I guess we’re either forgetting or ignoring that Sagarin conference ratings are a central mean?
top and bottom teams get less weight in the average. For a 9 team league it would be 123454321.
I think only two Dakota schools that should move up. Und and USD bring nothing to the tableQuote:
Originally Posted by KSBisonFan
I mean we’re just making stuff up here to shoehorn into a narrative so why care about how the ratings are made?Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
I mean obviously you have something against CUSA. Yes, it’s the worst G5 conference of all time. You still have to remove the worst teams from the best FCS conference to bring their average up to TRY to make the argument that it is better. Tells a person all they need to know about the Valley and FCS.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
If your point is that the two best teams in the valley are better than the two best teams in CUSA, why not just say that? I can agree with that because it’s probably true. The conference as a whole, however, no.
There was a time when the valley was rated as high or higher than the MW and MAC, Sun Belt, etc. I was fully on board then saying that the MVFC was better than those conferences because it probably was. That is no longer the case. The MVFC and most of FCS are way down from those high water mark years.
CUSA is flat out a FCS level conference. The competition is not good. The play is sloppy. I've watched some of those games and MVFC play is often better.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
I think some people here are clinging onto it as a chance to move, and then move again later. First, its a false hope, CUSA won't be inviting us, they have a candidate pool in their own geography already. And yes, they would absolutely take SFA and Tarleton over us due to geography and school demographics. They also have no desire to expand right now, it would reduce their revenue per school. Second, we would not get a quick exit elsewhere, it might actually be harder to move to MWC in 3 years than if we stay put. Third, no team from that conference will get a sniff of the CFP ... they have 5 teams ranked Sagarin 130 or below. At best you are looking at low tier toilet bowls for postseason. Fourth, midweek games suck, and they have a whole month of those.
Beyond all of that ... the PAC/MWC fallout has not settled yet, and there could be real openings there within this next year. And even MAC is better and looks open to expansion. Why anyone would advocate for CUSA blows my mind. Its desperation to gain a label, instead of looking for the best long term home.
I have no idea how the Pac 2/MW thing will play out. However, there are enough schools west of the Rockies to fill a viable conference. I don't think the relegation plan is the path going forward. Schools are simply not going to vote to make less money.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
However, If you go somewhere as football only that is just 4 conference away games. You would not have to be in a region to make that work. You could go to any conference that wanted a football only program. Though the MW the MW and AAC do have football only schools, it seems unlikely they would add another. But you never know. The whole idea behind the relegation plan was to keep olympic sports regional. You don't have to join CUSA to be FBS for football but you might need to be creative.
I don’t disagree that it’s an FCS level conference. But there are people who say that it would be a step down in competition. This year that is demonstrably false. The problem is the trajectory of the conference, which does not look good but that remains to be seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
I didn’t say we should go to CUSA or that they’ll invite us. But I will say, if the reason why the valley is the better conference is because of NDSU and SDSU, that doesn’t provide us very much benefit lol
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Originally Posted by NDSU92
If anything, we will see that Sagarin rating fall further.
SHSU is 0-5
JSU's wins are over teams that don't have FBS wins.
Kennesaw is going to make them better when they join? :rofl:
CUSA is a 5th tier bottom scraping South East conference.
In that region, and in those same markets, you have SEC, ACC, AAC, SBC above them.
An example: In Atlanta market, the pecking order is: UGA, Georgia Tech, Georgia Southern, Georgia St, and now Kennesaw at the bottom.
Another : In Alabama, the order goes Alabama, Auburn, UAB, Troy, South Alabama, and now Jacksonville St.
The leftovers like FIU, La Tech, and MTSU scraped together what they could just to exist.
It could be argued labeling CUSA G5 is almost the same as labeling PAC-2 a P5 conference.
Would it be too much to say that FCS is basically MVFC and Big Sky? Why not merge, trim the fat, and start applying for FBS (Big Missouri Conference, Missouri Mountain Conference)?
Again, I still maintain that NDSU is going to be stuck in FCS in perpetuity until there is a MAJOR change in college football or until Minnesota and Wisconsin get a couple D1 football programs outside of the Gophers and Badgers.
Top half of MVFC combined with top half of Big Sky would be a very competitive G5 conference. The rest of FCS is more average. It's a bit of a travesty honestly that Kennesaw (1-5, Sagarin 191) is moving up. They just lost to freakin Tennessee St. and Tennessee Tech. Only win is over Tusculum. All about the markets, which is silly too, when its the 5th tier team in that market.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sun Bison
Would be tough to get a new conference in the door though. FBS monopoly is tightening thru the CFP, it's why you see schools like Army, UMass, and UConn looking to join an existing conference. When it's all done, Notre Dame may be the only "independent" left, and they aren't truly Indy as an ACC affiliate.
With the current NCAA rules, conferences can't move up. Teams can only move up if they are invited into an existing FBS conference.
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Originally Posted by Sun Bison
How many times do we have to go over this? That's a blatant anti-trust violation that Liberty has already called their bluff on. It'll take time to get bowl tie-ins and CFP access, but if the move ups start winning they'll come. If they don't win they don't belong in FBS so it's a moot point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammerhead
Liberty was a unique case and used the religious persecution angle. No other school has been approved on a waiver. Could get lucky with one or two schools, but a whole conference is unlikely. Hard to prove antitrust, and even if let in, can’t force other schools/conferences to schedule games against you. Liberty spent many many millions to put a schedule together before they decided Indy wasn’t viable long term. Could end up feeling like the SWAC or Ivy League even if it succeeded without CFP access.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...nce/713957001/
Still a chance PAC/MWC opens a door, and that would be the best path.Quote:
For a public college president to (deny) a school as a member of a conference based on religious mission is illegal. It would be like opposing a school because it’s a historically black institution.
Liberty isnt a conference. Plus Liberty had a war chest and a religious angle.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
If you have access to The Athletic - linkQuote:
The University of Washington and the other nine outgoing members of the Pac-12 have struck back at Oregon State and Washington State in a series of briefs and motions filed on Monday and obtained by The Athletic.
On Monday, UW filed a motion to intervene in the litigation between Washington State and Oregon State and the Pac-12 conference, arguing that it is involved in the lawsuit but its interests are not adequately represented by any existing party.
If granted, UW would then ask Whitman County (Wash.) Superior Court to grant a motion to dismiss the lawsuit.
The nine outgoing Pac-12 schools filed a brief to support UW and support its motion to dismiss. They also said they’ve entered into a mediation process with WSU and OSU that is currently ongoing and scheduled through October.
Freakin Delaware to FBS before NDSU?? PATHETIC
https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.3388...000,f8f8f8.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Most I've seen is some rumors they are trying to get into MAC. Doesn't mean it will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Do think we should also talk to MAC if something doesn't pan out with MWC.
Wouldn't excite me as much, but seems like a reasonable path if other doors are closed.
About 39 minutes in the ISU AD talks about how expansion is costing legacy BXII members money. He's not specific on "how" but to say it in public is interesting.
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/487-m...-by-125416022/
To me it sounded like he was referencing the fact that they are now splitting the TV $$ with 4 new schools and therefore "paying" $40m over the next 8 years to have those schools join the BigXII. It's costing them in lost income not payments out.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Another board pointed out the adds were pro-rata (media gives another full share per) under the media contract; it's likely not the media deal. Bowl money conference splits maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
Didn't he say directly in that interview the TV $$ didn't increase with the addition of the schools? He says "There was no new money ..."Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
That doesn't align with the BXII media contract that gives pro-rata (additional full share) to new members. The 4C schools were targets because of the pro-rata; they should "cost" the legacies nothing. That's why it's confusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
At least originally I think that was capped if they went to 14 (they could add 2 and maintain the same payout per team). They ended up adding 4, but I’m not sure if they ended up changing the contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
They’d still see a reduction in non-media conference payouts, which appear to be about 40% of the money paid to schools.
You don't need a war chest or anything, just a valid arguement. The NCAA doesn't give a shit how many teams are in the FBS and neither do the power players. If you want to be an indy and can pay the money to join, nobody is going to stop you.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73