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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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MWC
You are banging on about something that won't happen. The Boise plan is DOA. The Pac 2 poaching teams is a nice dream but neither OSU or Wazzu is a draw. And the exit fees are steep.
The Pac2 is going to sue to get all the remaining assets. I don't know if they will win or not but if they do; They get the entire Pac 12 Network. They get all the basketball credits. They get the Pac 12 stake in the Rose Bowl. Those are sellable assets and they would hope to use that to get into the Big 12. They could live off the funds and offer to play for no tv money in the Big 12 ala the SMU plan. Will it work? Who knows. The Pac 2 will not feel good about any of this even if they get to be in the top tier of a mid major conference.
It takes 9 votes to dissolve the MW. If schools want to breakaway to form what would still be a G5 playing under a small tv deal, they can. If the conference is dissolved, groovy. If not the exit fee is 17 million per school with 2 years notice. It is 34 million with 1 year's notice. SDSU and Boise don't want to form a new conference. Like all G5's they would like an invitation to a Power conference. Those slots are dwindling. A best of the rest is still G5 and not particularly valuable.
As I said before, with or without the Pac 2, the MW is heading towards a performance based tv deal. Have a good year, you get a bigger slice. Fall off, you get a smaller cut. There's a quasi relegation plan right there.
As for NDSU. If the MW/Pac/whatever wants you they will invite you. But, Fargo is not regional to the schools out west at all. You are fairly close to some MW mountain schools. If, as you say, the idea is to be regional that hurts your chances. The original idea was for 3 separate conferences and 3 tiers. By it's very existence it does away with 'regional' because it would be far flung. Say Hawaii was in tier two and got relegated to tier 3. Does that make any sense on any level? You could have the primo tier 3 matchup in the south east somewhere against some school from that area. No one is watching that game. Unworkable..
Come on...you've been here long enough to know that logic and rationale thought have no place on this board, especially when we're talking about FBS....
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GCWaters
Come on...you've been here long enough to know that logic and rationale thought have no place on this board, especially when we're talking about FBS....
Nobody ever accuses me of being rational or logical either..The lack of logic and rationality is the best feature on message boards.
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The answer: a DBA!
Welcome to the Mountain West Conference, doing business as "The PAC 14"!
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The_Sicatoka
The answer: a DBA!
Welcome to the Mountain West Conference, doing business as "The PAC 14"!
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I'm trying to figure out if you learned that at UND's Law School or Business School? Either way it was pretty fhawking funny.
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tjamz
I'm trying to figure out if you learned that at UND's Law School or Business School? Either way it was pretty fhawking funny.
I work for a DBA subsidiary of a company you've still never heard of. :facepalm:
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This is the thread that needs to be locked eh. Just worry about fcs bros eh.
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scottietohottie
This is the thread that needs to be locked eh. Just worry about fcs bros eh.
when's the last time NDSU pulled an 0fer against the Dakota Schools?
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daddy daycare
when's the last time NDSU pulled an 0fer against the Dakota Schools?
2002. Before that 1962, then a bunch of years in the 40's and 50's. Tony's fanguide is pretty useful.
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daddy daycare
when's the last time NDSU pulled an 0fer against the Dakota Schools?
That's definitely in the cards this year.
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WYOBISONMAN
That's definitely in the cards this year.
Used to think we belonged in a top G5 conference like AAC. After yesterday, not sure we'd look much better than SHSU. Need to get our shit together again.
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BigHorns
Used to think we belonged in a top G5 conference like AAC. After yesterday, not sure we'd look much better than SHSU. Need to get our shit together again.
WE (Bresciani and Stony Brook) REALLY FUCKED UP BY NOT GOING FBS in 2018 2019 AND DOING A FULL SCALE MARKETING PITCH TO MWC OR AAC.................... ARGH!!!
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El_Chapo
WE (Bresciani and Stony Brook) REALLY FUCKED UP BY NOT GOING FBS in 2018 2019 AND DOING A FULL SCALE MARKETING PITCH TO MWC OR AAC.................... ARGH!!!
That wouldn’t have solved shit.
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El_Chapo
WE (Bresciani and Stony Brook) REALLY FUCKED UP BY NOT GOING FBS in 2018 2019 AND DOING A FULL SCALE MARKETING PITCH TO MWC OR AAC.................... ARGH!!!
Nobody wanted us. The geography is a problem as well as the media market. Sam, it isn't gonna happen.
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daddy daycare
when's the last time NDSU pulled an 0fer against the Dakota Schools?
Based on UND @ SDSU Saturday, we're not there yet. :paperbag:
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El_Chapo
WE (Bresciani and Stony Brook) REALLY FUCKED UP BY NOT GOING FBS in 2018 2019 AND DOING A FULL SCALE MARKETING PITCH TO MWC OR AAC.................... ARGH!!!
Disagree. More like 2015 would've been hottest iron to strike.
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The_Sicatoka
Based on UND @ SDSU Saturday, we're not there yet. :paperbag:
how TF are you ranked #15 or 16 still?
Boise is awful
you beat drake and nau. like wtf.
and yes 2015 or 2017 was probably the best time for NDSU to go FBS
JAMES MADISON IS GETTING AP VOTES THIS WEEK!!!
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El_Chapo
how TF are you ranked #15 or 16 still?
Boise is awful
you beat drake and nau. like wtf.
and yes 2015 or 2017 was probably the best time for NDSU to go FBS
JAMES MADISON IS GETTING AP VOTES THIS WEEK!!!
Bc teams are generally not gonna be penalized for losing to FBS teams or the consensus #1 team in FCS on the road.
Didn't UNI used to routinely be ranked despite having like 3-4 records?
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they got their $hit pushed in. that's why
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El_Chapo
they got their $hit pushed in. that's why
Why you put a dollar sign on shit?
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Just passed ...
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Division I membership requirements
The council also adopted changes to membership requirements for Football Bowl Subdivision schools that:
Eliminate attendance requirements at FBS schools (effective immediately).
Increase the application fee for transitioning from FCS to FBS from $5,000 to $5 million (effective immediately).
Require all FBS programs to provide 90% of the total number of allowable scholarships over a two-year rolling period across 16 sports, including football. FBS schools will also be required to fund 210 scholarships each year, amounting to no less than $6 million annually (effective August 2027).
For schools that begin transitioning to FBS in 2024-25 or later, requirements must be met by the conclusion of the transition process.
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2023/10/4/...r-windows.aspx
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Nice, wouldn’t affect us and probably stops some of our FCS move-up competition from getting in our way.
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Stolen from myself when these new rules were just proposals:
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I looked more deeply into the proposed FBS rules (16 sports, 90% grants given, $6M, 210 grants) to move up and UND and NDSU's situations ... observations ...
UND and NDSU,
- in the sports UND plays they can offer 115.6 mens and 85 womens grants (per NCAA limits). That's 200.6 and 57.6% male. UND's EADA data says they're giving out 199.9 grants. That's so close to 200.6 that dare we say "fully funded". And Knight says that's $5.94M in grants ($29.7k per).
- in the sports NDSU plays they can offer 114.7 mens and 78 womens grants (per NCAA limits). That's 192.7 and 59.8% male. NDSU fans say they're fully funded and for this analysis we accept that as fact, 191.7 grants. And Knight says that's $5M in grants ($26k per).
Both offer at least 16 sports (UND is 17). All good.
Fully funded at 90%. All good.
$6M?
UND is there, and with Alston is way over. If UND added 22 FBS grants their balance would go 61.8% male. Workable but would get scrutiny.
For NDSU just add the FBS grants to get to $6M, yes? Um, no. 22 grants for FBS means 22*$26k for about $575k. But that totals to still under $6M ($5.575M). And 22 FB makes for a 64% male grant dollars split. That'll get some notice. So, just add women's grants, right? Where? They're fully funded. To add women's grants they'd have to add a women's sport. So, $1M more on grants and women's grants to fund (i.e. add a women's sport).
One more, SDSU:
- In the sports SDSU plays they can offer 124.6 mens and 106 womens grants (per NCAA limits). That's 230.6 and 54% male. SDSU fans say they're fully funded and for this analysis we accept that as fact, 230.6 grants. And Knight says that's just $4.26M in grants ($18.5k per). Those are small numbers.
More importantly, that's 19 sports. Not sustainable and be FBS for them, but may be dollars for grants if you cut programs. (SDSU's normal budget is very tight. SD doesn't give USD/SDSU near the resources compared to ND.) If I were SDSU AD I'd drop S&D both sides and keep WEquest but I don't know their books.
SDSU summary: Find almost $2M(!) annual budget and reshuffle the sports lineup down.
And Alerus Center capacity is no longer an issue (no more attendance requirement).
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NDSU92
Nice, wouldn’t affect us and probably stops some of our FCS move-up competition from getting in our way.
Yeah, any school that can't come up with that shouldn't be FBS anyhow. If it stops UND cool. But I doubt it is a real issue for anyone.
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The_Sicatoka
Stolen from myself when these new rules were just proposals:
Funny that you didn't include the many posts from many people explaining how we can easily meet these requirements.
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taper
Funny that you didn't include the many posts from many people explaining how we can easily meet these requirements.
I laid out the challenges for each; I never said "insurmountable".
Frankly making WEquest NCAA level would be good PR for NDSU right about now given the recent press about dismissing women.
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When you’re a hammer, everything looks like a reason NDSU can’t be successful
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The_Sicatoka
Stolen from myself when these new rules were just proposals:
And Alerus Center capacity is no longer an issue (no more attendance requirement).
NDSU needs to add Women's Wrestling ASAP so that the program can be up and running before an FBS invite is announced. I don't necessarily hate the new rules but wish we were on the right side of the 5,000,000 application fee.
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AKBison
NDSU needs to add Women's Wrestling ASAP so that the program can be up and running before an FBS invite is announced. I don't necessarily hate the new rules but wish we were on the right side of the 5,000,000 application fee.
Geolocation and wrestling history at NDSU makes this a no brainer, imo.
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AKBison
NDSU needs to add Women's Wrestling ASAP so that the program can be up and running before an FBS invite is announced. I don't necessarily hate the new rules but wish we were on the right side of the 5,000,000 application fee.
It's like building a new facility: the cost to build; the cost to own and maintain.
I'm willing to bet your Athletics staff is less worried about the one-time buy-in than the on-going cost. FBS is a $1M bump in grant dollars annually plus support of a (projected) additional women's sport.
That assumption is based on this: https://www.extrapointsmb.com/p/recl...ive-soon-heres
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AKBison
NDSU needs to add Women's Wrestling ASAP so that the program can be up and running before an FBS invite is announced. I don't necessarily hate the new rules but wish we were on the right side of the 5,000,000 application fee.
I want outdoor winter Women's beach volleyball. :D
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Ok FBS fans, here's how we do it. With the attendance requirement dropped the $5M fee is a lot cheaper than stadium renovations to add empty seats. The WAC has stated they plan to return to FBS football and the recent UAC is a step towards that. They have 11 members but not all will likely make it, they could use a few more. When they jump, the 4 Dakotas could join as a solid northern pod. Probably looking at a 5-10 year timeframe but this is far more realistic than a fantasy AAC or MWC invite.
Or am I still FCS Forever?
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taper
Ok FBS fans, here's how we do it. With the attendance requirement dropped the $5M fee is a lot cheaper than stadium renovations to add empty seats. The WAC has stated they plan to return to FBS football and the recent UAC is a step towards that. They have 11 members but not all will likely make it, they could use a few more. When they jump, the 4 Dakotas could join as a solid northern pod. Probably looking at a 5-10 year timeframe but this is far more realistic than a fantasy AAC or MWC invite.
Or am I still FCS Forever?
Some will bitch because it's not a move directly to a P5 conference.
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taper
Ok FBS fans, here's how we do it. With the attendance requirement dropped the $5M fee is a lot cheaper than stadium renovations to add empty seats. The WAC has stated they plan to return to FBS football and the recent UAC is a step towards that. They have 11 members but not all will likely make it, they could use a few more. When they jump, the 4 Dakotas could join as a solid northern pod. Probably looking at a 5-10 year timeframe but this is far more realistic than a fantasy AAC or MWC invite.
Or am I still FCS Forever?
I still think we've got a shot at MWC depending how things play out.
No objection to your plan, but I really don't think the UAC thing is gonna fly. Would almost certainly require waivers, and the FBS committee has been denying those recently. NCAA even denied UAC the waiver to officially be a FCS conference.
FBS currently doesn't allow football only conferences. Plus you need 8 FBS members to be a FBS conference. And teams can't be FBS without an invite from an existing FBS conference. Waivers galore required from a committee that is very stingy handing them out.
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BigHorns
I still think we've got a shot at MWC depending how things play out.
No objection to your plan, but I really don't think the UAC thing is gonna fly. Would almost certainly require waivers, and the FBS committee has been denying those recently. NCAA even denied UAC the waiver to officially be a FCS conference.
FBS currently doesn't allow football only conferences. Plus you need 8 FBS members to be a FBS conference. And teams can't be FBS without an invite from an existing FBS conference. Waivers galore required from a committee that is very stingy handing them out.
NCAA hands out waivers like candy and basically ignores anybody that does what they feel like anyway. The UAC waiver was denied because the ban on new single sport conferences was going to expire a month later. The UAC exists right now and is playing football, no waiver needed. When they go FBS it'll be an all sport conference with whatever WAC, ASUN, and hopefully Summit teams are ready. Liberty went FBS without an invite. 8+ teams meet the new FBS requirements but the NCAA tries to block them? Hello open and shut anti-trust lawsuit. It might take some time to get bowl tie-ins and CFP access, but as long as this group starts winning that'll all come. If they can't win they don't belong anyway so that's the least of my worries.
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BigHorns
I still think we've got a shot at MWC depending how things play out.
No objection to your plan, but I really don't think the UAC thing is gonna fly. Would almost certainly require waivers, and the FBS committee has been denying those recently. NCAA even denied UAC the waiver to officially be a FCS conference.
FBS currently doesn't allow football only conferences. Plus you need 8 FBS members to be a FBS conference. And teams can't be FBS without an invite from an existing FBS conference. Waivers galore required from a committee that is very stingy handing them out.
Here in Wyoming there is zero interest in having FCS schools join the MWC. They are salivating over the possibility of snagging either or both of the remaining PAC teams.
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taper
NCAA hands out waivers like candy and basically ignores anybody that does what they feel like anyway. The UAC waiver was denied because the ban on new single sport conferences was going to expire a month later. The UAC exists right now and is playing football, no waiver needed. When they go FBS it'll be an all sport conference with whatever WAC, ASUN, and hopefully Summit teams are ready. Liberty went FBS without an invite. 8+ teams meet the new FBS requirements but the NCAA tries to block them? Hello open and shut anti-trust lawsuit. It might take some time to get bowl tie-ins and CFP access, but as long as this group starts winning that'll all come. If they can't win they don't belong anyway so that's the least of my worries.
How is this better than CUSA? How are people who are militantly against CUSA going to now sign up for the …checks notes… UAC?
Oh my god I just looked at the teams. Lmfao
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NDSU92
How is this better than CUSA? How are people who are militantly against CUSA going to now sign up for the …checks notes… UAC?
Oh my god I just looked at the teams. Lmfao
Because the 4 Dakotas stick together and join schools with ambition. Note the 5-10 year timeline. If this happens we'll all be there.
CUSA is stagnant and has borderline incompetent leadership.
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Update on PAC 2 legal battle.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/10/...-oregon-state/
Looks like this will drag out for months unless they reach a settlement.
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taper
Because the 4 Dakotas stick together and join schools with ambition. Note the 5-10 year timeline. If this happens we'll all be there.
CUSA is stagnant and has borderline incompetent leadership.
There are better odds that I wake up tomorrow with the ability to fly than USD having FBS aspirations this decade and better yet the resources to pursue them.
That conference makes CUSA look like the B12. Central Arkansas as a torch bearer. The highest funded programs in that conference will struggle to meet the new requirements.
