Such an interesting phrase, “poised to guarantee”… I have no problem with what you described as being an option, but calling it “poised” or even “a guarantee” is a stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by land grant bison
Anyway, carry on…
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Such an interesting phrase, “poised to guarantee”… I have no problem with what you described as being an option, but calling it “poised” or even “a guarantee” is a stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by land grant bison
Anyway, carry on…
Agree. I don’t think NDSU could or should try to make it work, but your initial post said that Notre Dame was the only school to make it work and I guess I’d point to BYU as evidence to the contrary. Liberty is not doing that badly either, but then again, not an example NDSU can or should follow…Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Sigh…
Maybe this is just the benefit of hindsight speaking, but going from D2 to D1-AA (FCS) seems a lot less of a gamble than going FBS Indy.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
Among other issues with going indy is trying to schedule games during every other teams’ conference schedule.
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I meant teams adopting FBS Independent as a long term successful model.Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
At best, its a short term bandaid for some teams.
BYU left ... they didn't view Indy as viable long term, so they found a way out.
Liberty left Indy also, for the same reasons.
UMass and UConn may also leave Indy status if a conference will take them, but they have not been particularly successful there.
Its more like serving time in Purgatory. There's structural reasons these teams are the worst FBS teams now.
UMass has averaged around 9-10k attendance the past couple years. No conference has offered them a lifeline yet.
Notre Dame is VERY unique, and is essentially an ACC team, scheduling wise. They have an ACC contract.
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Agree with you. Notre Dame has been grandfathered in. I wonder how long they will be allowed to do it and still be relevant…Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Queue ByeSon in 3, 2…
Plus you need a boat load of money to bring teams in. If not youre going to be on the road a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
There is no "if not" ... NCAA requires hosting 5 FBS games for FBS status. Indy teams like UMass/UConn end up cash strapped, which hurts the whole program.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
The 3 reasons a conference matters: guaranteed FBS games, media deals, postseason CFP and Bowl access. Also, over 99% of time, its the ONLY way to move from FCS. The bylaws state FBS conference invite is the only official path to FBS, anything else requires approval of a large committee that is inclined to say no, and most often does say no. I'm only aware of 1 exception in history. We are highly unlikely to be #2.
Comparing anyone to Notre Dame is not a valid analogy. They are a very unique brand in college athletics.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
I was fortunate to work a few scrimmages there a few years ago. The person I coordinated with was former QB Ron Powlus (those of from the 90s may remember him from his hype). He invited us to eat at the team training table after the scrimmage, and we had some fun conversations.
As director of operations, one of his jobs was to schedule games. I asked him if his job was made easier by having no problems getting any teams to return him phone call. He smiled and said that was definitely nice. I asked if he would ever schedule NDSU. He said they don't schedule FCS schools (obviously not true now with their Tennessee State game today), but even if they did, they would never schedule NDSU. Why? "We might lose."
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Is Oregon State rebuilding or trying to get to the BXII.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/stat...55-page-4.html
Should SDSUred and OrSU get invited to the BXII, WasSU's options become: MWC (backfill for SDSU) or ...
I still don't believe any of the "rebuild" noise.
Between MWC/AAC buy-outs and "how's this better" logic (no TV deal!), who'd join a decimated PAC?
WasSU and OrSU should be talking to Gloria at the MWC (and finally accept who they are).
They'll never not be allowed. How long they choose to be indy is a different story. Currently giving up tens of millions a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
You never disappoint…Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
In other news, it sounds like AAC is gonna shoot for West Point
It's a no brainer but i dont think its a lock. Air Force rejected them a few years ago and they are less stable now. Army isnt in it only for moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
Coastal Carolina, Old Dominion and Sam Houston State all on TV now in FBS. Bar is not as high as we think.
Definitely true, don't have to look much further than Sagarin or FCS vs FBS game results sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Son of a Bison
Problem is, how good a team is does not always correlate to invites.
SMU mostly kinda sucks in recent times, but just effectively bought their way into ACC.
They are considered to have a desirable media market that will boost the ACC network payout, and agreed to join for no payout. That means a lot of money for the other ACC schools.
The Pony Express is back babyQuote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Oh the reporter who talked shit about the BisonQuote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
this. it's so sad that NDSU is allowing all these puds to pass us by nationallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Son of a Bison
I don't mind this.
"With all the speculation regarding the “PAC-2” and potentially absorbing OSU and WSU, here’s my take on the best scenario for the MW.
Additions:
PAC-12: OSU, WSU
MVFC (FCS): NDSU, SDSU, MSU
*do your research on these three schools before you question it.
This would bring the conference up to 16 total teams and I feel adding these 5 would strengthen the conference considerably. The 3 FCS schools would very quickly be towards the top of the conference, NDSU being a solid national brand as well."
That would make 17 football schools. 16 for olympic sports. None of it will happen unless CBS/FOX kick in more money to cover any expansion. They said no before when the MW was looking for Texas adds. No guarantee they will chip in this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
that was a Boise St fan post
Seems legit....:facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
When did you become a boise fanQuote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
That's pretty much always the case with any expansion scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
If teams leave, and backfill is necessary, conferences sometimes take the "best available" irrespective of payout.
"Allowing" ... because ML could just raise his hand and say "stop! Take us instead" :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Coastal, ODU, SHSU all have one thing we didn't: Location.
All 3 were added to G5 conferences that have lower budgets and care about geography.
If OSU and WSU join the MVC, what happens to the NCAA basketball credits the PAC has? If they bring in some teams, do they get to keep/split those credits?
They only keep the PAC credits if PAC remains the legal entity they merge under. If MWC teams technically join PAC, then the credits are kept. If PAC shuts down, I *think* the credits get dispersed to the individual schools that earned them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ringthebells
It is possible, maybe likely that if the PAC-2 join MWC, it will be a reverse merger. The MWC could become the PAC legally. In addition to the basketball credits, they would get a bigger chunk of CFP money, and potentially other assets.
This is the "Lawyers Full Employment" phase and that may last quite awhile..There is a lot of stuff to be unwound. Nothing particularly easy to the possible merger.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
I poached this off the csnbbs board from an attendance smack thread. I'm not sure it means anything but is interesting in regards to what kind of capacity we need long term for an FBS move. 25,000 would put us pretty much in the middle of the pack. Most of these games outside of Wyoming hosting Texas Tech were home openers against lesser quality opponents.
SBC home attendance week 1
App - 36,075
USM - 30,335
Troy - 28,179
Marshall - 25,101
JMU - 23,756
ULM - 18,914
ULL - 18,186 (*scanner problems, should be higher)
GaSo - 17,803
GaSt - 15,546
AAC
Tulane - 26,973
Memphis - 26,632
UAB - 25,363
SMU - 21,490
UNT - 21,350
FAU - 20,893
Charlotte - 15,622 (100% cap)
Tulsa- 17,529
Temple - 12,456
CUSA
UTEP - 30,738
J’ville St - 21,276
Liberty - 18,811
NM St - 17,943
FIU - 16,878
WKU - 15,438
MWC
Colorado State - 31,497
Air Force - 30,142
Wyoming - 26,450
SDSU - 22,345
UNLV - 20,347
FCS
Montana - 25,430 (sellout)
Montana State - 21,967 (sellout)
SDSU - 16,258
UN_ - 8503
Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBison
I think it's more about revenue than seats. If the dome expansion happens in December, we will have high donor club seats up top and premium party deck seats in the SE corner.
More food and beverage revenue with the expanded concourse
Also more TM revenue by utilizing the indoor space the Comvention Center will provide
Not only that, a better fan experience will bump attendance
Without the expansion, all we can do is raise prices on what we got
Agree, our expansion plans are fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
IF we move to FBS, then in 5 or 10 years maybe we'll have to consider something else.
What is ironic is out of all those conferences AAC is the only one that has made a large capacity stadium a condition of entry. And now with the loss of UCF, Houston and Cincinnati they have smaller crowds than some of the other G5.
This team just got into the ACC, so I don't think stadium capacity is an issue.
https://eastcarolina.sportswar.com/p...18582083_0.jpg
That's more than the domeQuote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Capacity is 32k, but they "officially" had 21k last week.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
Thing is attendance is over reported often due to the 15k rule.
If you look at recent game photos, it seems likely they have 15k or less actually at the games.
That stadium is not 2/3 filled.
SMU clearly will have to increase their stadium; fact of the matter is they will start drawing better in the ACC.
Wake Forest's stadium is that size. They don't need to expand, though they may choose to.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
I don’t think this has been posted yet:
https://apple.news/Avxd-svWiT4uklHQVWy7S2g
Interesting that they believe there will only be 5 conference AQ bids for 2024.Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
Don't believe that's official yet, but changes could be brewing.
Sankey/SEC was pushing the idea earlier of no AQs, which would make it rare for a G5 to get in.
If they go to 5 AQs and WSU/OSU join MWC under PAC banner, the rest of G5 could be screwed.
P4 champs will always get bids.
My guess is revamped MWC would get it 50-70% of time, maybe AAC 20-30% and SBC 10% of time.
It would be the norm to see MWC or AAC in, and MWC might even get dang near a lock on it.