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Originally Posted by OrygunBison
I believe it's 75% (could be wrong).Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
If such a thing came up for a vote and I were Wyoming, or Utah State, or UNM, I'd be very nervous. It'd mean something is up and they're the most likely to be left behind.
Most gooderest of the bestests?Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
Pete Thamel of ESPN says AAC and 2PAC no longer in talks.
It's going to be MWC+2PAC under some name.
May as well start a hockey program. Football will continue to fade in the FCS.Quote:
Originally Posted by OrygunBison
fify .Quote:
Originally Posted by ndsustudent
AAC/Aresco saying they will not add OSU/WSU because they want to stay in their geographic footprint
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"We plan to focus any expansion efforts on schools that allow for sensible and sustainable competition and student-athlete well-being within our strong geographic footprint."
https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/sta...379810354?s=20
Feels like the only question left is will OSU/WSU try to rebuild by poaching, or will they join some or all of MWC.
I feel like it's the right time to ask this question.... If NDSU is in fact shut out of the FBS, what is the point of funding football to the level that we currently do? Could we slash our football budget by 30%, still be playoff competitive every year and then use that funding for Men's Basketball? Doing so might actually provide more of a benefit for the University than funding FCS which essentially gets us nothing.
I can get behind this.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
You going to teh big cities this weekend to watch teh big game eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
Being playoff competitive is not the same as going to Frisco for championships.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
I do think investing in Basketball would make us more attractive to other conferences. Even Gonzaga gets mentioned a lot.
Going to Frisco is winning a playoff against like 3-4 other teams every year. Since we've won so much, there is no value (to the university) to winning more.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Let's just reduce our spending by 30% and add another $1-2M to basketball and see where that takes us.
I mean essentially what the rest of the Valley does. Slashing by 30% would be ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
But the answer is no, you don’t slaughter your cash cow in hopes of feeding a calf that you might be able to grow into another.
I’m sorry did you just mention Gonzaga? NDSU could put $10M more into basketball for the next decade and we still wouldn’t be Gonzaga.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Cash Cow? There is a significant number of fans that have severe apathy towards the program right now. Do we think that number will get smaller or bigger? At some point, the ROI on spending for football will diminish and reducing costs will not necessarily reduce the revenue produced. Adding that money into Men's Basketball would be a better use of the funding.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
LOL, they come up in the mix of names for conference realignment often.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
I've seen them even floated for B12. If they had football they would probably be AAC/MWC or P4.
I'm down with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
Yes football is the cash cow of the athletic department and to argue anything else is just ludicrous. I’ll agree that there’s diminishing returns on directly investing into football at this point, but that cutting of the FB at its most would look like 3%, not 30%.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
Careful what you wish for, sounds like you’re wanting to trade places with Illinois state. I’ll pass.
How long are the three NO votes going to stick with the ACC? BIG has already expressed interest in UNC and FSU. Clemson to the SEC.
Unfortunately for us and everyone else hoping for the merry go round to get plugged back in, the moves by the ACC were in anticipation of losing those schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
Not arguing that RIGHT NOW, football, is what drives the athletic budget. 5 years from now we'll be looking at home football attendance at sub-9000 fans. Anyone remember the Babich years?Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
When that happens, the revenue that football produces will be greatly diminished. It would be wise to accept that as our future, cut funding now to get ahead of it and try to put some life into Basketball. If we don't do that, not only will our football revenue suck, our basketball team will then have less money as well.
What I wish for is an opportunity to grow football but I am a realist. If we can't grow football, then grow something else. Relying on a diminishing sport is not good.
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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
I just threw up in my mouth a little…Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
If the FCS continues to deteriorate in terms of competition, we'll be spending a lot of money for even fewer competitive games...that will have to be taken into consideration. A declining fanbase, a declining student body, and declining competition could put us in the same position we were in back in the D2 days. Much as El Chapo will hate it, bringing back the old NCC, maybe in some sort of collaboration with some of the Big Sky schools, might be our only option.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
I’m sure it’s been discussed plenty before but I don’t wish to read through 1200 pages of thread to find the answer…
What about FBS independent at this point? You might be able to schedule home and homes with the likes of UCONN/Umass/Navy, and have a whole season of road FBS games otherwise. Sure, you don’t have real long term plans, but with how volatile college football is now, you’re poised to guarantee that 2nd tier/G5 status when the whole thing continues to blow up.
This assumption right here would require some explanation and convincing, at least on my part…Quote:
Originally Posted by land grant bison
I thought going independent wasn't allowed anymore? Or did the kerfuffle over Liberty cancel all that?Quote:
Originally Posted by land grant bison
I guess my general feeling (while fully admitting I’m not thinking about all the nitty gritty details/considering ALL factors) is that FCS is a slow death. Since you’re already diagnosed with a terminal ailment (FCS), you don’t have THAT much risk going FBS independent if that ends up blowing up in your face. Doing it now, increasing scholarship allotment and so forth, “communicates” to the college football world where your intentions/commitments are. I would imagine that you could embarrassingly drop back down to FCS if it didn’t work out (…Idaho for example)Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
NDSU could do FBS independent and keep their own LOCAL TV revenue and maybe add Bally Sports North for RegionalQuote:
Originally Posted by land grant bison
You just plug and play teams. do some fun. destination games out west. let's goo
Dude we aren't done taking second place in the FCS yet. Need to set that record too. I'm thinking 8-9 more second place finishes(with Tshirts of course) will set a record that will never be broken!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
There's a lot of barriers to cross.Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
1) It's not permitted without FBS conference invite, but could apply for a FBS waiver. However the committee has turned down the last 3 or 4 waiver requests, they seem to be strictly sticking to the rules for now.
2) Assuming you pass the first barrier, have to come up with a schedule. Much harder than it sounds. Liberty was spending millions each year to get other FBS teams to play them, and decided it wasn't feasible long term. Would be even harder for us, P5's in general are looking for easy wins at home OOC, not challenging road games. We might be able to persuade some MAC or CUSA teams to come play us for enough cash, but they won't be looking for losses either. You are also required to host at least 5 FBS home games per NCAA to remain a FBS member.
3) Assuming the first two barriers are crossed, would have to convince the CFP cartel to let us in. This may be the most challenging, because its basically a separate corporation owned by the conferences, and they aren't eager to share money or access with others. They are already arm wrestling each other how to carve up PAC's slot and votes, before its even officially dead.
The only team that has really made Indy work well is Notre Dame. The thing is they are essentially an ACC associated school, and are given an ACC schedule each year due to a formal agreement. Their history and status have also given them a great media deal, and believe they are the only independent school that has direct membership in the CFP. In spite of all this, there is still rumors they may be pushed to formally join ACC or B10 at some point.
Forgive me for splitting hairs here, but your post said “…you’re poised to guarantee…” and what you just described sounds more like “…you’re taking a big gamble and hoping decision-makers totally out of your control make room for you when unknown things happen at unknown times…”Quote:
Originally Posted by land grant bison
Going independent doesn’t guarantee anything, not even close, but that’s just my opinion…
It sounds more like you’re advocating for taking a big gamble so that, if it doesn’t work out, when the dust settles, at least you can say that you tried… fwiw, I think there’s a case to be made for that approach.
Isn’t all of this a gamble? Say or go nothing is certain. Going D1 was a big gamble. It paid off but it could’ve gone much much worse. Right now we’re waiting for an invite (that we can’t control) and hoping for the best. Dr Chapman and Gene where are you….Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
BYU turned Indy into a Big12 invite…Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Indeed they did after many years. They went to B12 to gain CFP access.Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
Prior to being Indy BYU was in the MWC.
Believe Liberty was the only school to ever move from FCS to FBS Indy.
That was a unique case, and they spent a shit ton of money to do it. Many many millions just on scheduling.
That school almost literally prints money.
“Poised to guarantee” meant that as P5 (now P4) decisions continue to impact everyone else, you’re sitting as an FBS independent as the landscape radically shifts. In this scenario, G5 conferences are reacting to P4 decisions. G5 conference realignment perceptions of NDSU are likely a lot different if we are FBS independent compared to FCS. This is what I meant by the “poised to guarantee” that second tier level comment.
Obviously you can’t predict how the whole thing shakes out, but I’d rather be FBS Independent than FCS if P4 breaks away and everyone else is scrambling on what do to next. Doomsday scenarios of this not working out don’t seem so bad to me since it’s not like NDSU football will cease to exist as a program. You can always continue playing at some level…ala back as a member of FCS.
If you have a conference invite, why would you go independent?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
The mistake people are making on FBS Indy is assuming we can just wish it so.
It would take a lottery style miracle just to be permitted to do it.
Then we would likely have to spend an additional $5-$10m per year initially to put together a FBS schedule.
And that still could leave us out of CFP and Bowl access.
Odds are far higher of getting a MAC invite, if we want it bad enough.
Generally, you wouldn't, especially with the current CFP structure.Quote:
Originally Posted by GCWaters
UConn and UMass were unique, in that they cared more about Basketball than football.
So they chose to leave FBS conferences in favor of stronger basketball conferences. (A10 and Big East)
AAC did not want UConn without their basketball. MAC did not want UMass without basketball.
Not sure they would make the same choice today. UMass desperately wants back in a conference.
PAC-2 is said to be trying to rebuild still.
This is what we really need to happen. FBS Indy is a pipe dream imo.
https://x.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/...HQPKWSmnUDKjxg